If Derek Anderson and this defense begin to win games.....?

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

This is horse crap. 

Allen has been good?  The all 22 shows he’s been a complete fail.  He makes the wrong read or scrambles the majority of the time

[BringBackOrton]

What should they do? Continue to win games.

[CuddyDark]

1 minute ago, Rebel101 said:

Lol so you think a raw quarterback who can’t read a defense pre or post snap. Doesn’t know which route is best against what coverage. Has accuracy issues and can’t beat a blitz is better then a QB who can do all those things in his sleep

Who says he can do all those things? He's a career backup.

[Rebel101]

Just now, CuddyDark said:

He's a career backup. He doesn't know what teams will plan for him as the starter.

Lol he’s been a starter. And he will actually know what’s going on with the defense acrossed from him. No one goes into the game knowing what the defenses game plan is. They adapt and adjust. Read the defense in front of them and take what is given. Something Allen has yet to learn how to do

[Nick the Greek]

I see Anderson going 0-3 or 1-2. It won’t be pretty. Don’t get your hopes up people.

[Bobby Hooks]

17 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Theres nothing logical about expecting Derek Anderson to lead this team to wins.

Oh... you’re “expecting” to win? That’s your first problem. This year isn’t about winning to a logical person. 

[Rebel101]

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

Who says he can do all those things? He's a career backup.

Dude he still knows how to read a defense. Why do you think he was brought in to mentor Allen? Why do you think he was brought in to teach Cam Newton? Because he can help them learn to read a field. He can teach they what route to go to when a certain defense is present. He can show they what routes are best when a team is blitzing from a certain area. This is basic football knowledge it does not require physical skill.

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Allen has been good?  The all 22 shows he’s been a complete fail.  He makes the wrong read or scrambles the majority of the time

And this also is complete crap

[Wayne Arnold]

4 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

Lol so you think a raw quarterback who can’t read a defense pre or post snap. Doesn’t know which route is best against what coverage. Has accuracy issues and can’t beat a blitz is better then a QB who can do all those things in his sleep

 

Yes.

[Royale with Cheese]

18 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Theres nothing logical about expecting Derek Anderson to lead this team to wins.

 

It's kinda hard to think that the offense won't get at least a little better.  Derek Anderson isn't a savior by any means but we're historically bad right now.

I think we have 3 TD passes all year?  Right now it's hard for Allen to break 100 yards passing in legit time.  

[Wayne Arnold]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Allen has been good?  The all 22 shows he’s been a complete fail.  He makes the wrong read or scrambles the majority of the time

 

No, of course he hasn’t been good. But he also hasn’t been a “complete failure” and completely inferior to a random bum they just signed off the couch a week ago.

[Big Turk]

Worst thing that could possibly happen.

 

A journeyman QB that is not the answer and does NOTHING for our future successes pushes our draft pick further down and then likely with this regime causes them to trade up to get a guy they want, wasting picks they really need instead of just being able to stand pat and get the guy they want or even trade down and pick up more picks.

 

This SHOULD be every Bills fan worst nightmare and unfortunately one that has a decent chance of coming to fruition especially with the way the defense is playing.

Edited October 19, 2018 by matter2003

[dollars 2 donuts]

50 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

This the statement. What do you think the Buffalo Bills should do. But also what do you think the Buffalo Bills will do. I think with our defense and a veteran QB the team has a chance to succeed. I believe Anderson will capitalize off turnovers and win us a few games. It is a tough spot though because you have already started developing Josh Allen. I believe the Bills FO has to put his development as the top priority. So should he sit and learn and how how a QB can succeed in this league? Or should they put him back out there and let him take his lumps? I believe Anderson should play as long as he can if he is winning. But I also believe the Bills will put Allen back in no matter what the outcome is of Anderson’s run as a starter.

 

 

It also depends on how he is winning.

 

Sure, it is unlikely, but if you are telling me they are winning and over a few games he is averaging 15-24, for 225 yards and a 1.5 TDs per game maybe you consider keeping him in.

 

The moment he slides you pull the leash.

[NewEra]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

And this also is complete crap

I guess we are somehow looking at different all 22s.  He CONSTANTLY leaves the pocket early when there’s still time to hang in there and allow the receivers to get open.  Instead of keeping his eyes up, he drops them and scrambles and misses his window to hit them. He diagnoses the hot route and the throws to the flat extremely late,  he throws lots of balls into the dirt and drills easy slants as hard as he can.  The WRs hasn’t done him any favors and our OL is bad, but his play has been worse than both of those units..  

 

if you disagree, we can agree to disagree.  I don’t have time to debate such hot garbage.  He’s has been a failure so far.  Just as many thought he would be.  He’s a good kid and I think he can and WILL get better.....but right now......he sucks.  

[oldmanfan]

Just now, NewEra said:

I guess we are somehow looking at different all 22s.  He CONSTANTLY leaves the pocket early when there’s still time to hang in there and allow the receivers to get open.  Instead of keeping his eyes up, he drops them and scrambles and misses his window to hit them. He diagnoses the hot route and the throws to the flat extremely late,  he throws lots of balls into the dirt and drills easy slants as hard as he can.  The WRs hasn’t done him any favors and our OL is bad, but his play has been worse than both of those units..  

 

if you disagree, we can agree to disagree.  I don’t have time to debate such hot garbage.  He’s has been a failure so far.  Just as many thought he would be.  He’s a good kid and I think he can and WILL get better.....but right now......he sucks.  

Go back like I did and watch each offensive play against the Texans.  You will see he got the ball out quicker, was more accurate than earlier games.  No denying it if you actually watch.

[CuddyDark]

6 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

Dude he still knows how to read a defense. Why do you think he was brought in to mentor Allen? Why do you think he was brought in to teach Cam Newton? Because he can help them learn to read a field. He can teach they what route to go to when a certain defense is present. He can show they what routes are best when a team is blitzing from a certain area. This is basic football knowledge it does not require physical skill.

This is a joke. If he was so good why didn't he beat Cam out?

[Bangarang]

Josh Allen has been so bad that Derek Anderson is considered an upgrade. Yikes

Edited October 19, 2018 by Bangarang

[Rebel101]

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

And this also is complete crap

Oh so the way Allen has played this year you want him to play for the rest of his career? You will be okay with that then? You know we have a historically bad offense right? We are ranked 32. There are only 32 to teams and the Cardinals are 31st who are better then is by a decent margin. Everything you say sir is complete crap lol

[Wayne Arnold]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It's kinda hard to think that the offense won't get at least a little better.  Derek Anderson isn't a savior by any means but we're historically bad right now.

I think we have 3 TD passes all year?  Right now it's hard for Allen to break 100 yards passing in legit time.  

 

There are many pieces of the “historically bad offense” puzzle. Allen is one piece. Replacing that one piece with Anderson isn’t going to make a difference. I don’t care how “experienced” Anderson is.

 

Allen had four full games. He passed for less than 100 yards in one of them. Somehow that has led to a weirdly common “Right now it's hard for Allen to break 100 yards passing in legit time” perception here.

 

Which in turn has led to a belief that literally anyone else at QB would turn this offense around.

 

It’s pretty absurd.

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

No, of course he hasn’t been good. But he also hasn’t been a “complete failure” and completely inferior to a random bum they just signed off the couch a week ago.

We average 123 yards passing a game,  worst in the league.  The next worst team averages 152 a game.  How is that not a complete failure?  We may have the worst passing attack in nfl history, 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, Rebel101 said:

Oh so the way Allen has played this year you want him to play for the rest of his career? You will be okay with that then? You know we have a historically bad offense right? We are ranked 32. There are only 32 to teams and the Cardinals are 31st who are better then is by a decent margin. Everything you say sir is complete crap lol

I didn't say that, and now you're just being a fool.  Allen is progressing, just like any of the other rookies.  All these rookie QBs will have ups and downs as they learn the position.

 

Quit acting like an idiot.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Go back like I did and watch each offensive play against the Texans.  You will see he got the ball out quicker, was more accurate than earlier games.  No denying it if you actually watch.

Ohhhhh ONE game.......thanks

[Rebel101]

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

This is a joke. If he was so good why didn't he beat Cam out?

No one said Anderson is good. Did I say that? I said he will be better then Allen. Their are college QBs right now that are better then Allen. Derek Anderson has more football knowledge then Allen. That isn’t even up for debate. Allen one day hopefully will be great. But he is not yet he has led the offense to historically bad numbers 

[Patrick Duffy]

DA is playing with the same unproductive WRs (other than Cam getting promoted) and the same OL. Also he will be a statue unlike Allen able to make a few plays with his legs. So I'm certainly not expecting anything much different.

[McBean]

1 hour ago, Rebel101 said:

This the statement. What do you think the Buffalo Bills should do. But also what do you think the Buffalo Bills will do. I think with our defense and a veteran QB the team has a chance to succeed. I believe Anderson will capitalize off turnovers and win us a few games. It is a tough spot though because you have already started developing Josh Allen. I believe the Bills FO has to put his development as the top priority. So should he sit and learn and how how a QB can succeed in this league? Or should they put him back out there and let him take his lumps? I believe Anderson should play as long as he can if he is winning. But I also believe the Bills will put Allen back in no matter what the outcome is of Anderson’s run as a starter.

 

Then we have the discussion of is Anderson the next Kurt Warner...

 

I have a feeling ALOT of people are going to be disappointed come Sunday afternoon when the realize Anderson isn’t Montana.

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Josh Allen has been so bad that Derek Anderson is considered an upgrade. Yikes

Temporarily.  Let's say this slowly for all:

 

Allen.  Is.  A.  Rookie.  Rookie.  QBs. Have.  to.  Learn.

 

I know you know this bang; it's more directed at some of the other guys around here that think Allen should be the second coming of MArino this year. 

[Rebel101]

2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

There are many pieces of the “historically bad offense” puzzle. Allen is one piece. Replacing that one piece with Anderson isn’t going to make a difference. I don’t care how “experienced” Anderson is.

 

Allen had four full games. He passed for less than 100 yards in one of them. Somehow that has led to a weirdly common “Right now it's hard for Allen to break 100 yards passing in legit time” perception here.

 

Which in turn has led to a belief that literally anyone else at QB would turn this offense around.

 

It’s pretty absurd.

It’s pretty absurd that you don’t think the knowledge that Anderson brings is an upgrade over Allen. Some of the reason Allen has been so bad is because of a lot of the things he lacks mentally so far as it comes to football

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Ohhhhh ONE game.......thanks

Yes, One game.  That shows he's making progress over the other 3 games he started.

 

That's 4 starts.  And you want to say he's awful based on that.  Ridiculous.

[CuddyDark]

Just now, Rebel101 said:

No one said Anderson is good. Did I say that? I said he will be better then Allen. Their are college QBs right now that are better then Allen. Derek Anderson has more football knowledge then Allen. That isn’t even up for debate. Allen one day hopefully will be great. But he is not yet he has led the offense to historically bad numbers 

Better than Allen is a low bar. Maybe he will. But that doesn't mean they will become magically better and have an NFL offense. Anderson is a career backup and he will most likely struggle to move the offense.

[Rebel101]

1 minute ago, McBean said:

 

Then we have the discussion of is Anderson the next Kurt Warner...

 

I have a feeling ALOT of people are going to be disappointed come Sunday afternoon when the realize Anderson isn’t Montana.

No one is saying Anderson is good. I’m saying he will at least be able to diagnose things better then Allen which in turn will lead to less mistakes which should lead to a somewhat better offense

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

Better than Allen is a low bar. Maybe he will. But that doesn't mean they will become magically better and have an NFL offense. Anderson is a career backup and he will most likely struggle to move the offense.

Guess we will have to wait and see

[CuddyDark]

1 minute ago, Rebel101 said:

It’s pretty absurd that you don’t think the knowledge that Anderson brings is an upgrade over Allen. Some of the reason Allen has been so bad is because of a lot of the things he lacks mentally so far as it comes to football

It's meaningless. Marginal at best. Can Anderson play starting football is the only question. So far his career says no.

[Wayne Arnold]

17 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

Oh... you’re “expecting” to win? That’s your first problem. This year isn’t about winning to a logical person. 

 

Thats not my problem. I responded to the OP, who said: “I thinkwith our defense and a veteran QB the team has a chance to succeed. I believe Anderson will capitalize off turnovers and win us a few games.”

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

There are many pieces of the “historically bad offense” puzzle. Allen is one piece. Replacing that one piece with Anderson isn’t going to make a difference. I don’t care how “experienced” Anderson is.

 

Allen had four full games. He passed for less than 100 yards in one of them. Somehow that has led to a weirdly common “Right now it's hard for Allen to break 100 yards passing in legit time” perception here.

 

Which in turn has led to a belief that literally anyone else at QB would turn this offense around.

 

It’s pretty absurd.

 

Which is why I said "legit time".  The only game going into the 4th quarter where he had more than 100 yards was Minnesota.

Down by multiple scores against both GB and LAC which lead to him breaking 100 yards.  He had 83 in the Texans game before getting hurt.  We weren't moving the ball at all with him in there.

He had 82 total against the Titans.

Edited October 19, 2018 by Royale with Cheese

[Rebel101]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Temporarily.  Let's say this slowly for all:

 

Allen.  Is.  A.  Rookie.  Rookie.  QBs. Have.  to.  Learn.

 

I know you know this bang; it's more directed at some of the other guys around here that think Allen should be the second coming of MArino this year. 

I’m not saying Allen won’t get better. I believe with time and dedication he will. That’s not what this post was about. It was a question that if Anderson plays well. Do the Bills keep him in or bring Allen back and I think maybe 2 people have answered the question lol

[Rebel101]

19 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Yes.

Lol that’s why you are a Bills fan. You are content with playing like ***** every year 

[Rebel101]

19 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

No, of course he hasn’t been good. But he also hasn’t been a “complete failure” and completely inferior to a random bum they just signed off the couch a week ago.

He hasn’t been a complete failure? He has led the team to the worst offense seen throughout the league in years. 2018 teams are averaging 30 points a game. Josh Allen I believe has thrown 2 TDs. He is young and hopefully will get a lot better in years to come but so far he has been a failure and has proven he shouldn’t have even been named a starting NFL QB so early. Prove me otherwise 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Your scenario (if it pans out, which I actually hope he does win us some games, obviously) would equal short term gain for long term pain, because every snap/rep that JA sits out as a healthy scratch, is one more rep he will have to gain in additional development time once he inevitably does start again. And no matter how great DA does in spot duty, he's never more than a band aid temp fix, even if it's through the rest of this year. Originally, I was ok with NP (or whoever else was going to win the QB competition out of camp) starting the year and going for as long as success would dictate, before turning to JA as the franchise heir--was always a big believer in a newbie sitting behind an older starter he could learn from and be eased into this (although a more established veteran even for that first plan would've been nice). However, this would not be going back to that starting line--too much has happened. Now that JA's actually started games, he needs to see it through as soon as healthy. Otherwise, his confidence, growth curve,  morale and overall respect of his teammates for him at the position all suffer IMHO. 

[Albany,n.y.]

Here's a formula that resulted in 2 Super Bowl championships:

 

In Eli Manning's rookie year he sat the1st 9 games.  He then came in and started the final 7.  The Giants with HOFer Kurt Warner at QB benched Warner who had led the Giants to a 5-4 record but they had lost their last 2 games.  Coughlin gave up any shot at the playoffs to put a raw rookie in in place of the veteran.  Manning was horrible his 1st 4 games and then the light came on in his 5th start.  Manning worked a lot of bugs out his rookie year as the Giants faded from playoff contention. 

 

Get Allen as many starts as possible for the long term good of the team.  The goal is to win a Super Bowl down the road, not try to get closer to .500 with a 2-4 current record team.  

[Wayne Arnold]

12 minutes ago, Rebel101 said:

It’s pretty absurd that you don’t think the knowledge that Anderson brings is an upgrade over Allen. Some of the reason Allen has been so bad is because of a lot of the things he lacks mentally so far as it comes to football

 

Knowledge doesn’t throw touchdowns. If it did Sean McVay would be a starting NFL quarterback right now instead of Rams Head Coach.

[KD in CA]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

Seriously dude, after the Bills play the Colts, they face NE, Chicago, the Jets, and Jacksonville.  Even if you allow them a fighting chance against the Jets (I wouldn't at this point but it's the most likely), Derek Anderson is never going to develop a "hot hand" against the Pats, the Bears, and the Jags.  Not happening.

 

So mostly, we should be happy that someone else will be taking the beating instead of Allen against those teams.