Real McClappy Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) On 10/15/2018 at 11:25 PM, Dadonkadonk said: With Watkins and Shady, they were top 10 in points scored. And Rex destroyed the defense. Is he worth two first round picks, no. Was he a complete WR when healthy, yes! He has deep speed and size to go over the middle. He was the best combination of WR skills since Moulds. Not elite speed like Lee Evans, but enough to get deep on a regular basis. And his contract would be perfectly fine on this team. They could have given him his 5th year option and still had plenty of cap room. On another note, one might argue there was an injury risk. Well he has not missed any time due to the foot. Beane messed up. Darby and Watkins are far better than Gaines, Mathews, and 2nd and 3rd round picks. And in full disclosure I liked the Darby trade. I thought he was a one year wonder but he is playing well in Philadelphia. I can admit I was wrong. I doubt Beane will. People just bash on Watkins as the BILLS spent two 1st rd picks on him. It's not Watkins fault he got drafted were he went and that the Bills spent so much capital on him. 44 minutes ago, billsfan5121 said: I didn’t read through the whole thread, but to me, this is more of an indictment on Taylor than anyone else. That’s a lot of talent to not do much with. It was a mix of Taylor as our QB and Rex destroying our D. People bash the hell out of Whaley but we were a average QB and coach away from great things. The roster averaged out to 8-8 over 4 years which is not world beater but so damn close with the circumstances. Ohh well, Let's see what Beane has in store this next offseason Edited October 17, 2018 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 5 hours ago, SoTier said: I can see where you're coming from, and I agree with you about many fans changing their tunes after the fact. However, my point is that the people who make personnel decisions do so without regard to fans' opinions -- or should make them without to regard to fans' opinions. With the Bills, I'm not sure that's true. Since Russ Brandon was handed control of the team in 2006, the Bills have frequently made personnel decisions based on how those moves would impact ticket sales. I think the signing of Mario Williams and drafting EJ Manuel (from a simply terrible QB draft class from top to bottom) were both examples of that. I think that Brandon's sticky fingerprints remain all over the current Bills team even after he was fired. Neither McDermott nor Beane would have even been considered without having Brandon's prior approval. Would you just stop with your nonsense. This post is completely absurd. The league has a committee that evaluates and suggests HC candidates and McD was prominent on that list. He was a prime HC candidate. As was Beane for a GM job. The idea that neither would have even been considered if it weren't for Brandon is total crap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 7:11 AM, blacklabel said: Woods - rookie deal was up, he was a 2nd round pick so there's no 5th year option. They offered him a deal but he wanted to test free agency and who could blame him? He spent most of his first four seasons playing on run-first teams. He had a chance to go back home and play for a team that throws the ball all the time. Goodwin - also was offered a deal to stay in Buffalo but wanted to try free agency. Missed 25 games during his four years in Buffalo. Hogan - they signed him to an offer sheet, New England offered a bit more, business is business. Hogan's been the same receiver in NE he was here, averaging about 35 catches for 475 yards a season. It's not like he left Buffalo and instantly went and had 118 catches for 1200 yards and 14 TDs. Watkins - Missed 13 games during his time in Buffalo. His best season was 2015, with the Bills. Wasn't featured in the Rams offense last year and isn't heavily featured in KC's offense right now, he has 22 catches for 272 yards and 1 TD. He was going to walk after his 4th season here once they declined to give him the 5th year option so instead of letting him head out the door for nothing, they traded him and got something in return. "They let him walk for nothin'!" is a common Bills fan trope... once a regime does the opposite and gets something in return for a player who was leaving anyway, some of y'all still whine. Plus, Watkins admitted to being more concerned with his personal stats than wins while he was here. The current offensive lineup isn't ideal but do your homework and realize why these guys aren't here anymore. It's not as if they were just kicked off the team. All except Watkins were offered to stay here but wanted to test free agency, that's just how this business works. Woah, woah, woah. They'll be no such rational explanations on this board, young man!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 40 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Woah, woah, woah. They'll be no such rational explanations on this board, young man!! My bad. This crazy thing called "logic" must have found its way all up in my brains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 It is in the past people. Get over it. The tailgating goes on ? If I could do a do over on mega millions I would be a multi millionaire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 11:12 AM, MAJBobby said: And Whos choice was it to decline the 5th year option. Yep good ole McD. But hey he traded for a lesser, bigger, lazier and worse Attitude Kelvin Benjamin. Yeah, they were already in a cap mess, they weren't going to guarantee $14 million to a receiver who just came off two seasons in which he struggled with injuries and couldn't play in all 16 games. Say they offer the 5th year option and he gets hurt in the first game of the year, they're on the hook for that $14 million, they'd get zero production from him and he leaves in free agency. I'm a fan, I wanted Watkins to work out here, it just didn't happen. They made the right call by trading him for a 2nd round pick and EJ Gaines, it was either that or nothin'. The only reason Benjamin ends up here was because they found themselves in a spot with a legitimate chance to make the playoffs. So KB comes over, on his rookie deal, which is cheaper than Watkins, helps the team make the playoffs and yeah, he hasn't worked out. Sh*t happens, they'll live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaywrizzo Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 8:31 PM, RPbillsfan said: Hard to believe this was our WR group in 2014-2015 in comparison to the hot garbage we are fielding now. Makes me ill Unbelievable.....This coach and GM know nothing about the Offensive side of the ball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Jaywrizzo said: Unbelievable.....This coach and GM know nothing about the Offensive side of the ball! I honestly don't know how many times this needs to be said but for some guys like Woods Beane wasn't even employed by the Bills. I don't know how many times this needs to be said but Goodwin was hurt more than not when here andbit was not considered a loss when he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 5 hours ago, Tazor Face said: Yeah I didn't say anything about who's better than what...but yeah Benjamin is better than Goodwin and so isn't Zay. Robert woods would have been nice to keep but cap situations and the fact he didn't seem to have much interest resigning, with no QB and a chance to play closer to home. And to add Watkins he is loaded with talent but hasn't exactly lit it up in his career which gives me the impression he has no more heart than Benjamin. The Bills have made a practice of not re-signing their top young veterans at least since Russ Brandon took control of the team in 2006, and blaming the lack of cap space was a convenient excuse. If you doubt that, look around the league at all the teams that manage to pay franchise QBs, premier receivers and OLers, as well as excellent defensive players so that those teams are frequent playoff teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 3 hours ago, mead107 said: It is in the past people. Get over it. The tailgating goes on ? If I could do a do over on mega millions I would be a multi millionaire. The first step in addressing incompetence isn't to get over it..........it's to acknowledge it and see if there is a trend. There is definitely a trend wrt McBeane and incompetence on the offensive side of the football. They are pretty good wrt defense(except when they are awful) but building around defense in the NFL is short-sighted........and pretty easy. You can build a defense in one good offseason of free agency and by hiring a good DC........and good DC's are a dime-a-dozen compared to good OC's. But it's hard to maintain good defense............whereas offensive minded teams tend to be more consistent and have better staying power as contenders. So the question is are these McBeane guys worth the time? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Different people involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 3 hours ago, oldmanfan said: I honestly don't know how many times this needs to be said but for some guys like Woods Beane wasn't even employed by the Bills. I don't know how many times this needs to be said but Goodwin was hurt more than not when here andbit was not considered a loss when he left. And he was training for the long jump which isn't the same as getting into top football shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 5 hours ago, blacklabel said: Yeah, they were already in a cap mess, they weren't going to guarantee $14 million to a receiver who just came off two seasons in which he struggled with injuries and couldn't play in all 16 games. Say they offer the 5th year option and he gets hurt in the first game of the year, they're on the hook for that $14 million, they'd get zero production from him and he leaves in free agency. I'm a fan, I wanted Watkins to work out here, it just didn't happen. They made the right call by trading him for a 2nd round pick and EJ Gaines, it was either that or nothin'. The only reason Benjamin ends up here was because they found themselves in a spot with a legitimate chance to make the playoffs. So KB comes over, on his rookie deal, which is cheaper than Watkins, helps the team make the playoffs and yeah, he hasn't worked out. Sh*t happens, they'll live. Well, he was still on the original final year last year. This year would be the option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaywrizzo Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 13 hours ago, oldmanfan said: I honestly don't know how many times this needs to be said but for some guys like Woods Beane wasn't even employed by the Bills. I don't know how many times this needs to be said but Goodwin was hurt more than not when here andbit was not considered a loss when he left. You're absolutely right about those 2 but what about Sammy? He finally gets healthy and they trade him bcuz they might not be able to sign him? Why bring in a tall and slow, Jordan Matthews......WHY BRING IN A TALL AND SLOW KELVIN BENJAMIN....WHY BRING IN A TALL AND SLOW ANDRE HOLMES....WHY BRING..ok, ok, I'm sure You get the point! McDermott was here when they drafted Zay Jones? So...once again....these dudes don't have a clue, what a wr is supposed to look like...they're not all supposed to look the same....one tall and slow Wr is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jaywrizzo said: You're absolutely right about those 2 but what about Sammy? He finally gets healthy and they trade him bcuz they might not be able to sign him? Why bring in a tall and slow, Jordan Matthews......WHY BRING IN A TALL AND SLOW KELVIN BENJAMIN....WHY BRING IN A TALL AND SLOW ANDRE HOLMES....WHY BRING..ok, ok, I'm sure You get the point! McDermott was here when they drafted Zay Jones? So...once again....these dudes don't have a clue, what a wr is supposed to look like...they're not all supposed to look the same....one tall and slow Wr is enough. I have said more times than I can count now that I'd like to still have Sammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 10:03 PM, mattynh said: Other than Watkins who was injured people thought that group was trash. Typical of Bills fans. Kind of like how Allen was trash before we drafted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 9 hours ago, NoSaint said: Well, he was still on the original final year last year. This year would be the option. Yes. If you’re too afraid to tie up $14M because that player might have two separate season ending injuries, we probably should never sign anybody. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonbus23 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Good day for Watkins, Woods, and Goodwin. Hogan tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, leonbus23 said: Good day for Watkins, Woods, and Goodwin. Hogan tomorrow. Don't forget Jordan Matthews 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Don’t forget to add in Jordan Mathews who had near 100 yards today. Maybe Doug Whaley was a pretty good judge of talent? Stiil, Bills could not afford to keep all those guys. Watkins is making crazy $ and Robert Woods isn’t cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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