OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, ROCBillsBeliever said: I'll take "Not a good QB", over "Worst QB in NFL history..." #justsayin ...far more reasonable....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, One Buffalo said: She’s really on top of things... Edited October 16, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 what is it about the Colts that we never start our normal QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 This team will be boring to watch until he comes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: She’s really on top of things... Dunkirk Don? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Given how this season has unfolded, I'd almost rather see Josh Allen shut down for at least a month, without question and basically let someone, i.e. D. Anderson, take the team through its lumps. If it's determined Josh needs surgery - unlikely but still a possibility - I think the Bills should trade for a decent QB. Surgery virtually guarantees Allen to start the year on I.R. in 2019 and giving up two seasons, is not acceptable IMO. At the point surgery is determined to be necessary - again IF it is - then the Bills should cut Peterman, start Anderson this week with whatever he knows, and trade for a decent QB. To this end I submit Ryan Griffin, QB for the Bucs. He's 28, went UDFA to the Saints, then went on waivers a couple years later and was claimed by the Bucs. He's been developed by Koetter and had a strong 2018 Pre-Season. We've seen that before, but he's also 6'5" and throws a nice ball from what I can see. He played in all four games and didn't throw an interception and has some zip to his throws. I don't think it would take a great deal to pry him from the Bucs, i.e. a 6th maybe? IMHO, he's a guy who is already better than Peterman and certainly has a better arm and has worked his way onto two rosters and even had some articles written in the Pre-Season that he may have been the better choice than Fitzy as the place holder for Winston. Now, Fitzy did Fitzy things and I love the guy, but given how Griffin played, I can understand the discussion. Just a suggestion for discussion and consideration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 54 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s basing it almost entirely on his failing the UCL stress test. Not really a huge leap on his conclusion that he has a UCL sprain. Sounds like the team doctors saw the same thing. Just have to hope it’s minor. And he's probably correct about it being a UCL sprain. Physical examination is pretty indicative for this. But sprains come in all sorts of severity. The real question is something Chao can't see on film, how much laxity is there in the joint and is there tearing. I just think Chao has gone over the edge and around the bend with articles like this saying Allen will be out for a month. He might be, he might not be.http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-josh-allen-elbow-bills-injury-1015-story.html 9 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: Astute observation. Allen was shaking his right arm in the Green Bay game, if I recall correctly. You could be right on with this. The Bills have done such a remarkably poor job managing the QB situation this year, there should be a "how not to" manual written about it with them as Case 'A'. Yes, that is what I saw - shaking his arm and I believe on a couple of occasions reaching across and grabbing his right arm below the elbow with his left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: And he's probably correct about it being a UCL sprain. Physical examination is pretty indicative for this. But sprains come in all sorts of severity. The real question is something Chao can't see on film, how much laxity is there in the joint and is there tearing. I just think Chao has gone over the edge and around the bend with articles like this saying Allen will be out for a month. He might be, he might not be.http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-josh-allen-elbow-bills-injury-1015-story.html Right ... the initial report was that the team didn’t think it was serious but was getting James Andrews opinion to be safe. The doctor in charge of Allen's treatment/ Rehab worked for him at one time, so it makes sense. I’m thinking the Bills docs see a grade 1 sprain (no tearing) but want to be sure. Chao seems to be saying 2-6 weeks based on not knowing the severity. 2 if it’s a grade 1, 6 if it’s a 2. 4 would be on the safe side and not rush him back. Edited October 16, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 What a mess McDermott and Beane have created with the QB position and the offense. After the Baltimore game NP should have been cut and a proven vet brought in. With Josh out, I believe it’s a no brainer we will be competing for the #1 overall pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HansLanda Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Really have to cross our fingers with any type of longterm UCL issues with Allen. Dr. James Andrews is *the* authority on UCL injuries. This could be season ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Of course the Bills won't rusk Allen back. Who wants to groom a 7th overall pick at QB when it is obvious McDermott has a massive stiffie for Nathan Peterman a 5th round pick who averages an INT ever 11 pass attempts? Sean must be overjoyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFC24 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) The second Mcdermott/Beane are gone from this franchise the better off we are Until then this trainwreck is going to continue. .God i cannot wait until they are fired. Edited October 16, 2018 by LFC24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HansLanda Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Terrible, but you can't mess with UCL. Next few weeks may determine if Bills need to consider drafting another QB in the early rounds of 2019 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 55 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Two completely different sports. The throwing motion of throwing a baseball is more violent than that of throwing a football. Yes a sprain is a slight tear of the ligament. Just depends on what grade.(how severe the tear is) Id be surprised if he got surgery, but you never know. I would argue the throwing motion of the QB is more violent for the elbow than it is for a baseball pitcher. The reason you don't see as many issues with QBs is that they don't throw nearly as much as a MLB pitcher. QBs are throwing 20-35 times a game once a week. Baseball (starters at least) are throwing 100 pitches every 5 days. Plus all the catch they are playing, bullpen sessions etc. Yes, QBs practice too, but I would assume they don't throw as much during the week either. Dr. Andrews has been clear that UCL issues arise out of too many throws without enough downtime in the year (that is why he recommends pitchers not throw at all for at least 3 or 4 months out of the year, in order to heal the UCL damage from the course of the year). 4 minutes ago, LFC24 said: The second Mcdermott/Beane are gone from this franchise the better off we are Until then this trainwreck is going to continue. .God i cannot wait until they are fired. The train wreck of making the playoffs for the fist time in 17 years in their first season? Cool story bro. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, HansLanda said: Terrible, but you can't mess with UCL. Next few weeks may determine if Bills need to consider drafting another QB in the early rounds of 2019 draft. We’re guaranteed to finish and be in contention for the no 1 pick ... make it the kid from Oregon. He’s the best prospect out of the 18 and 19 drafts. i get Allen didn’t stand much of chance this offense is well....offensive! However I just don’t think you can pass on Herbert if the option arises. Edited October 16, 2018 by PayDaBill$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, HansLanda said: Terrible, but you can't mess with UCL. Next few weeks may determine if Bills need to consider drafting another QB in the early rounds of 2019 draft. Surgery would be on the table for a tear. Chao doesn’t know if there is a tear because he didn’t see the MRI. The Bills doctor did see the MRI and didn’t see a tear (I’m reading into the “team doesn’t believe it is serious” report). I think it’s a small percentage chance he needs surgery. Based on what I’ve seen and read. Technically, it’s not off the table because he doesn’t know anything other than it’s some type of UCL injury and he does not know the severity. Edited October 16, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Surgery would be on the table for a tear. Chao doesn’t know if there is a tear because he didn’t see the MRI. The Bills doctor did see the MRI and didn’t see a tear (I’m reading into the “team doesn’t believe it is serious” report). I think it’s a small percentage chance he needs surgery. Based on what I’ve seen and read. Technically, it’s bit off the table because he doesn’t know anything other than it’s some type of UCL injury and he does not know the severity. It's going to be a very interesting next few weeks for the future of this franchise. Either he doesn't need surgery and can get back to 100% in a month or so, or the flip side is they need to rethink the position again via the draft. Not sure if there is a middle ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said: What a mess McDermott and Beane have created with the QB position and the offense. After the Baltimore game NP should have been cut and a proven vet brought in. With Josh out, I believe it’s a no brainer we will be competing for the #1 overall pick. As though proven vets are justing sitting on a shelf someplace waiting to be purchased. Any QB available during the last offseason had question marks around themselves. Bridgewater physically sound? Bradford physically sound? Cousins worth his price? Also, losing Eric Wood to retirement and Incognito going off the rails made developing a QB that much more problematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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