John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I really feel like our young guys like Edmonds and Taron Johnson should not be snubbed on things like this Our defense is playing lights out and those two players are a big reason why. In the big scheme of things....it does not matter.....they will force ppl to recognize them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) Well obviously Allen wouldn't make the top 25 rookies...he's not even close to decent yet. More upsetting is that Edmunds isn't on here. Yes, he's young, but he was supposed to be one of those guys you could plug in right away & have a huge impact. Plenty of other LB rookies have done it, even those you don't expect much of anything from (like Kiko Alonso). There's 6 LB's on this top 25 list, with many being only a year or 2 older. Edmunds hasn't been nearly as bad as Allen so far, but he's still not excelling as much as I hoped he would. I figured he'd for sure be one of the 6 best rookie LB's, or top 25 rookies period at this point in the season. Oh well, can only hope he plays lights out the rest of the year. Edited October 12, 2018 by BigDingus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/7/2018 at 1:11 AM, 26CornerBlitz said: Cite examples of him being wrong. He's a guy who not only scouts players during their CFB careers, but watches film on players all across the league. At any rate, let's see what you have to back up your assertion. And was an actual scout in an actual NFL personnel department and working with bona fide NFL guys in Ozzie and DeCosta. DJ might not get everything right - newflash: nobody does - but he puts the work in and is pretty good at what he does. On 10/7/2018 at 4:15 AM, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Bojorquez is our best rookie so far. If one of our guys is on the list, it should be him. No he isn't. Our best rookies are Taron Johnson and Harrison Phillips. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Allen and Edmunds are not on the list because they have not played that well so far. The list does not say "this is the final evaluation of people 5 games into their careers and anyone not on it will never be good." It just lists the rookies who have been good so far. Allen has had 1 good game out of the 4 he has started and Edmunds (while he played better last week) is still having some issues - particularly gap discipline in the run game. Those tackles fans are cheering that he is making 8, 10, 15 yards down the field showing his speed and athleticism are almost exclusively because he is in the wrong spot to start with. It is not time to panic about either of these guys but getting angry because they are not getting praised when they don't yet deserve it is rather silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) On 10/7/2018 at 8:09 AM, John from Riverside said: He is wrong a lot....basically Jeremiah's smart. Sure he's wrong a lot. Everyone is when they're trying to predict the future often. On 10/7/2018 at 8:35 AM, John from Riverside said: Rather then go through all that I will just say it’s too soon To even make a evaluation on rookies Nah. It's fine as long as what you're doing is evaluating what we've seen so far, without assuming that what we've seen so far is what we'll see going forward. EDIT: I see this has become a thing in this thread. Sorry, John, didn't mean to pile on. You're a good poster. On 10/7/2018 at 11:15 AM, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Bojorquez is our best rookie so far. If one of our guys is on the list, it should be him. Harrison Phillips or Taron Johnson. This shouldn't worry anyone. Allen was seen as developmental and Edmunds was seen as terrifically athletic but needs to learn not to overrun plays and to hit the right holes. Allen was never going to be good this early and it was unlikely with Edmunds. Edited October 12, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: And was an actual scout in an actual NFL personnel department and working with bona fide NFL guys in Ozzie and DeCosta. DJ might not get everything right - newflash: nobody does - but he puts the work in and is pretty good at what he does. No he isn't. Our best rookies are Taron Johnson and Harrison Phillips. Bojorquez has been very good at the actual punting. There have been some extra things that were not so good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Bojorquez has been very good at the actual punting. There have been some extra things that were not so good He hasn't. His hang times are atrocious. He has a big leg and at the moment that is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He hasn't. His hang times are atrocious. He has a big leg and at the moment that is it. No it’s not. His avg were good and his net avg was very good until last week when Lacey wiffed a tackle and caused a huge return. Also he had the most inside the 20 in the league. He’s a good punter. Not a good holder apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: No it’s not. His avg were good and his net avg was very good until last week when Lacey wiffed a tackle and caused a huge return. Also he had the most inside the 20 in the league. He’s a good punter. Not a good holder apparently Check the stats. Worst hang time in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 37 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Check the stats. Worst hang time in the league. Check the inside 20 and avg. those are what I usually care about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Check the inside 20 and avg. those are what I usually care about Well I guess we look for totally different things in punters. I want consistency and hang time to allow my coverage teams to get there. Inside the 20 punts are good but having lots of then just tells me my offense isn't moving the ball well enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Well I guess we look for totally different things in punters. I want consistency and hang time to allow my coverage teams to get there. Inside the 20 punts are good but having lots of then just tells me my offense isn't moving the ball well enough. I mean you could kick a 30 yd punt high enough to get coverage under. I just think he’s done a good job and his avg were nice and net avg was very good until a missed tackle through no fault of his own. If your net avg is good then you are doing what you are supposed to regardless of hang time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I mean you could kick a 30 yd punt high enough to get coverage under. I just think he’s done a good job and his avg were nice and net avg was very good until a missed tackle through no fault of his own. If your net avg is good then you are doing what you are supposed to regardless of hang time He has had two big returns on him not just 1. I think he is inconsistent, hopeless hang time, bad at the other elements, no direction particularly just boots it as hard as he can. Isn't just me who thinks it either. He has the lowest PFF punt grade in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 posters are dragging that article because Allen isn't in the top 25? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: posters are dragging that article because Allen isn't in the top 25? If say anything bad about the Bills, you are an idiot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: If say anything bad about the Bills, you are an idiot. Of if you say nothing at all about the Bills you are an ignorant idiot. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/6/2018 at 4:06 PM, John from Riverside said: I would worry more if one of them WAS on the list because this guy is a idiot No he’s not. He’s one of the best college scout/analysts out there and knows his ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/6/2018 at 7:09 PM, John from Riverside said: He is wrong a lot....basically Embarrassing takes like this hurt the whole body of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/6/2018 at 7:06 PM, John from Riverside said: I would worry more if one of them WAS on the list because this guy is a idiot Ahh yes, the society we live in, where if you don’t like what someone says or you disagree with them they are immediately “an idiot.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 This board wanted Fred Warner and Darius Leonard. And I wanted to keep all those picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Pete said: This board wanted Fred Warner and Darius Leonard. And I wanted to keep all those picks Team had zero QBs. A swing was mandatory, it was mandatory for Mahomes/Watson a year earlier as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: Team had zero QBs. A swing was mandatory, it was mandatory for Mahomes/Watson a year earlier as well well now we have no line, no WRs, and a 31 year old RB- and still a question mark at QB. Those draft picks would of filled in a lot of holes. I am sick of trading up for Zay, and parting with picks for KB, Coleman, etc. Let the draft come to you. And when you are least talented team in NFL, a bevy of picks is helpful. I root for Allen and Beane- but the jury is still out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, Pete said: This board wanted Fred Warner and Darius Leonard. And I wanted to keep all those picks I know I say it every time his name is mentioned but I loved Darius Leonard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 you should really avoid these clueless "reporters" Tremaine Edmunds is the only player in the NFL with 35+ tackles, 5+ passes defensed and 2+ forced fumbles. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/6/2018 at 6:38 PM, BBills88 said: Why do we care. I care a lot. I like the NFL, not just the Bills. No offense, but we have discussed the league more broadly on this site for a decade and a half at least. On 10/6/2018 at 7:09 PM, John from Riverside said: He is wrong a lot....basically Evidence? On 10/6/2018 at 7:35 PM, John from Riverside said: Rather then go through all that I will just say it’s too soon To even make a evaluation on rookies He's not projecting them forward, he's evaluating them in the games they've played so far. 24 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: you should really avoid these clueless "reporters" Tremaine Edmunds is the only player in the NFL with 35+ tackles, 5+ passes defensed and 2+ forced fumbles. Yet he was absolutely terrible in the first two games. If he continues at the pace he's currently on, he's likely to move up the Jeremiah's chart. He does this periodically, and I think it's pretty cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I care a lot. I like the NFL, not just the Bills. No offense, but we have discussed the league more broadly on this site for a decade and a half at least. Evidence? He's not projecting them forward, he's evaluating them in the games they've played so far. Yet he was absolutely terrible in the first two games. If he continues at the pace he's currently on, he's likely to move up the Jeremiah's chart. He does this periodically, and I think it's pretty cool. Im gonna say that I got my ppl wrong which is why I backed off of it.....I got Jeremiah mixed up with someone else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 25 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Yet he was absolutely terrible in the first two games. If he continues at the pace he's currently on, he's likely to move up the Jeremiah's chart. He does this periodically, and I think it's pretty cool. FWIW no one on Defense did anything in week 1 and half of week 2. Then McDermott stepped in and said enough of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 45 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Im gonna say that I got my ppl wrong which is why I backed off of it.....I got Jeremiah mixed up with someone else. No worries. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 What I’ve gathered from this thread is that people really love Daniel Jeremiah. Like really love this guy and don’t you dare speak badly of him... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FistingBot Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: What I’ve gathered from this thread is that people really love Daniel Jeremiah. Like really love this guy and don’t you dare speak badly of him... Super Bowl be damned... our guys should be playing for Daniel Jeremiah's affection. ? Edited October 12, 2018 by October 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 He doesnt make my top 25 analyst list either so i guess we are even Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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C.Biscuit97 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 40 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: What I’ve gathered from this thread is that people really love Daniel Jeremiah. Like really love this guy and don’t you dare speak badly of him... Or they know he’s a respectable analyst and don’t have a temper tantrum or name call because they didn’t praise a Bills player. This is like hockey dads are created. If Allen was on the Jets, we would be laughing at him and his 82 yard game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Or they know he’s a respectable analyst and don’t have a temper tantrum or name call because they didn’t praise a Bills player. This is like hockey dads are created. If Allen was on the Jets, we would be laughing at him and his 82 yard game. I might be laughing right now....but in the back of my mind I would be thinking about what this kid is gonna be down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I might be laughing right now....but in the back of my mind I would be thinking about what this kid is gonna be down the line. Be honest John. You would think he was trash and laugh st the Jets for picking him. People are laughing at Rosen and Darnold here somehow. We let our qb who led the 31st ranked passing attack go to upgrade. We are averaging like 100 yards passing in modern football!!! I can’t believe Allen didn’t make the cut. What a hater! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Im not laughing at Rosen or Darnold.....I think this QB draft is going to yield as many as 4 legit starters I would feel pretty good this year about getting to face what everyone knows is a raw rookie QB in his first year......but as a realistic football fan I would be worried about what this kid is going to look like in future years when he has pass catcher's that will actually fight for, catch, and make plays with a ball (beyond Shady we have none of that) I would worry about the jets getting smart and spending an offseason of ramping up a offensive line that really only has 1 true starter in Dawkins. i would worry that the jets have 10 draft pick and 90 million cap space.......a HC that turns chicken dinner out of chicken ****......and a top 10 DVOA defense giving Allen try after try to score points with that cannon attached to his shoulder. That is the honest truth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 12, 2018 Author Share Posted October 12, 2018 Damned good pick by the Browns and look at our boy Taron Johnson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Im not laughing at Rosen or Darnold.....I think this QB draft is going to yield as many as 4 legit starters I would feel pretty good this year about getting to face what everyone knows is a raw rookie QB in his first year......but as a realistic football fan I would be worried about what this kid is going to look like in future years when he has pass catcher's that will actually fight for, catch, and make plays with a ball (beyond Shady we have none of that) I would worry about the jets getting smart and spending an offseason of ramping up a offensive line that really only has 1 true starter in Dawkins. i would worry that the jets have 10 draft pick and 90 million cap space.......a HC that turns chicken dinner out of chicken ****......and a top 10 DVOA defense giving Allen try after try to score points with that cannon attached to his shoulder. That is the honest truth Fair. And I’m honest and wanted the Jets to draft Allen. He looks exactly like I thought he would. Awesome physical skills though. 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Damned good pick by the Browns and look at our boy Taron Johnson! This guy is a genius!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 43 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Or they know he’s a respectable analyst and don’t have a temper tantrum or name call because they didn’t praise a Bills player. This is like hockey dads are created. If Allen was on the Jets, we would be laughing at him and his 82 yard game. Yeah, or that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/6/2018 at 4:18 PM, Augie said: I tend to like DJ, but this doesn’t bother me in the least after just 4 games. A rookie QB and a MLB who just turned 20. Whatever. In a decade, I’ll feel differently. Hoping that looks better down the road. Exactly - half these guys may not even be on any lists in a year or two - not all top draft picks bust in their first years, and some just peter out into perpetual mediocrity or average play. What I'm more concerned about is how he is progressing within the system he was drafted to play within, and how he is executing those roles. So far his growth has been as expected for a 20 yo MLB. He's been heading in the right direction, and let's hope it continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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