C.Biscuit97 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Alleged racial slurs. What was the alleged punishment and where is the alleged apology? https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/22/report-richie-incognito-wont-be-punished-for-alleged-racial-slurs/ He was unhappy with the contract and fired his agent. You conveniently left that out. If Rosen had half of the issues RI had, you’d be killing him and talking about how bad of a person he is. You are a hypocrite and lack consistency. It’s a bad look and why people don’t take you serious. RI was a POS long before this past year. It’s embarrassing some of you choose to overlook this because we couldn’t find a solid G to replace him. I hope he dates your daughters. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 On 10/2/2018 at 9:42 PM, Sky Diver said: He over delivered for 3 yrs at a bargain price. I dont get how people miss this. Taking a chance on him was a great move, hes been the best O lineman we've had since JP and was a great teammate while he was here. It should also be noted he truly went off the deep end after he stopped playing football. He was just crazy before that On 10/2/2018 at 9:46 PM, Augie said: You can be very tiresome. Teams cut players salaries all the time. He had the option to decline. But he agreed. Done deal, then he freaked, because he’s not stable. The Bills might have won that, as nobody needs unstable people in the room. Who is lining up to sign the guy? As for loyalty, I’m 100% loyal to my wife. I am loyal to family as long as they hold up their end. If they don’t hold up their end, they are on their own. Football is a business, and I’m loyal to a point, but never lose sight of the fact that it’s a business. Throw out loyal, and insert compassion, and I’m all over it! But don’t confuse the two. Haha you're only loyal to your family when its convenient and beneficial to you? I did not realize family was a contract you can negotiate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: I dont get how people miss this. Taking a chance on him was a great move, hes been the best O lineman we've had since JP and was a great teammate while he was here. It should also be noted he truly went off the deep end after he stopped playing football. He was just crazy before that Haha you're only loyal to your family when its convenient and beneficial to you? I did not realize family was a contract you can negotiate OMG!!! He was at a “bargain” price because he was a POS and no one else in the nfl wanted him. Are some people really this dense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: OMG!!! He was at a “bargain” price because he was a POS and no one else in the nfl wanted him. Are some people really this dense? Irrelevant to the point, but 1 player thought he was a POS and he took that vendetta all the way to the insane asylum. Martin was way crazier than Richie. Seems like every teammate Richie's had has loved him. Are you so dense you believe anything you read off a headline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 25 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: Haha you're only loyal to your family when its convenient and beneficial to you? I did not realize family was a contract you can negotiate Consider yourself blessed you’ve never had a family member struggle with addiction. Go to any Al Anon meeting and you’ll see many examples of people who can no longer afford to be loyal to the addict in their family - because their own mental and physical health is at risk. You should consider apologizing for your remark. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 OMG a lineman in football is mentally unstable? Well enjoy your new line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: Consider yourself blessed you’ve never had a family member struggle with addiction. Go to any Al Anon meeting and you’ll see many examples of people who can no longer afford to be loyal to the addict in their family - because their own mental and physical health is at risk. You should consider apologizing for your remark. 5 DWIs, including one in a boat and thats only 1 member on 1 side. I dont need to justify my stance to you master, lets not make assumptions with 0 knowledge of what you're talking about. You should consider apologizing for your ignorance (still irrelevant btw) Edited October 4, 2018 by BillsMafia13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: 5 DWIs, including one in a boat and thats only 1 member on 1 side. I dont need to justify my stance to you master, lets not make assumptions with 0 knowledge of what you're talking about. You should consider apologizing for your ignorance Well, hopefully you’ll be able to remain loyal to that family member. It’s not always easy when an addict’s out of control life affects another’s. I hope those DWIs lead to recovery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: Well, hopefully you’ll be able to remain loyal to that family member. It’s not always easy when an addict’s out of control life affects another’s. I hope those DWIs lead to recovery. Factor in the nail side of a hammer and permanent brain damage after, no there is no happy ending. But well never abandon him no matter how much of an inconvenience . Dont really need your empathy, just pointing out you're still wrong. Edited October 4, 2018 by BillsMafia13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Wood and InCog are sorely missed. I knew this O-line was going to be a disaster once InCog retired. I was hoping InCog and Dawkins would be good players on the left side and Groy would be a competent center. But once InCog retired he opened a big hole on the left side of the line that has collapsed any hope of that unit being capable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 46 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: Haha you're only loyal to your family when its convenient and beneficial to you? I did not realize family was a contract you can negotiate To be more accurate with my words, I am always loyal to my family, but I will also turn my back on them if their actions are not something I can support. It can be what you have to do sometimes. I’ve been there, unfortunately. 23 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: Consider yourself blessed you’ve never had a family member struggle with addiction. Go to any Al Anon meeting and you’ll see many examples of people who can no longer afford to be loyal to the addict in their family - because their own mental and physical health is at risk. You should consider apologizing for your remark. Forget it, it’s not worth it. He doesn’t understand the difference between abandoning and enabling. I’m not going to have this battle, it’s just not worth it. We never abandoned anyone. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Augie said: To be more accurate with my words, I am always loyal to my family, but I will also turn my back on them if their actions are not something I can support. It can be what you have to do sometimes. I’ve been there, unfortunately. Forget it, it’s not worth it. He doesn’t understand the difference between abandoning and enabling. I’m not going to have this battle, it’s just not worth it. We never abandoned anyone. Ever. Even though your statement is a blatant contradiction, Id do anything to try and help my family, but I cant/wont imagine what your situation is so I wont try to put myself in those shoes. Btw we never abandoned anybody, that was my point. This got wayyyyy off topic so my final though: Bills got greedy and tried to take it from Richie who earned what he made. Bottom line Edited October 4, 2018 by BillsMafia13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 1 hour ago, BillsMafia13 said: Irrelevant to the point, but 1 player thought he was a POS and he took that vendetta all the way to the insane asylum. Martin was way crazier than Richie. Seems like every teammate Richie's had has loved him. Are you so dense you believe anything you read off a headline? Critical thinking is becoming a lost skill. Shady wanted to pay Richie out of his own salary. 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: Once again don't let facts influence your rant. His "firing" of his agent was the beginning of his breakdown. As your link reports it was looking like he was not going to be punished by the NFL. Then reports came out that he might. Buffalo Bills guard Richie Incognito told TheMMQB.com that he apologized Wednesday to Jacksonville Jaguars defensive end Yannick Ngakoue after Ngakoue accused Incognito of using racial slurs in their Jan. 7 playoff game. #NFL spokesman says league's investigation into Richie Incognito playoff-game exchange is "not done" and that the matter "remains under review." 7:59 PM - 22 Jan 2018 The MMQB? That sounds like a reliable source. Is the NFL still investigating? It shouldn’t take 9 months, should it? Richie apparently felt that is agent didn’t represent him well, so he fired him. Is that a sign of mental illness to you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Critical thinking is becoming a lost skill. Just curious, does critical thinking include criticizing a decision when you are not privy to the reasons behind said decision? Edited October 4, 2018 by WotAGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Just now, WotAGuy said: Just curious, does critical thinking include criticizing a decision when are not privy to the reasons behind said decison? He was referring to the fact everyone crucified Richie for his remarks to Martin. Right or wrong every teammate since wacko Martin loved Rich. The lack of critical thinking is hanging on Martins accusations while ignoring more relevant and numerous statements from other people. 16 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Critical thinking is becoming a lost skill. Shady wanted to pay Richie out of his own salary. The MMQB? That sounds like a reliable source. Is the NFL still investigating? It shouldn’t take 9 months, should it? Richie apparently felt that is agent didn’t represent him well, so he fired him. Is that a sign of mental illness to you? Some people jut already have their minds made up. Im guilty too, what can ya do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: Just curious, does critical thinking include criticizing a decision when you are not privy to the reasons behind said decision? What decision are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Richie apparently felt that is agent didn’t represent him well, so he fired him. Is that a sign of mental illness to you? Executing career decisions publicly via Twitter is trending toward nutty. And his subsequent behavior sealed the nutty deal. I did hear him give an interview on Pat McAfee’s show and Richie sounded pretty good considering his behavior. He didn’t really justify his actions, he admitted they were kind of nuts, but also talked about the difficulties he was having in his personal life at the time, especially losing his Dad. It was a very interesting interview. 5 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: What decision are you referring to? Any decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Critical thinking is becoming a lost skill. Shady wanted to pay Richie out of his own salary. The MMQB? That sounds like a reliable source. Is the NFL still investigating? It shouldn’t take 9 months, should it? Richie apparently felt that is agent didn’t represent him well, so he fired him. Is that a sign of mental illness to you? Your refusal to accept facts is truly amazing. You don't need to reply to this post...................it will be just more of your "dog with a bone" replies. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2755777-yannick-ngakoue-says-richie-incognito-apologized-after-racial-slur-accusations https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/01/25/richie-incognito-yannick-ngakoue-bills-jaguars-playoff-game-racial-slur-accusation https://buffalonews.com/2018/01/25/incognito-says-he-and-ngakoue-talked-like-men-about-alleged-racial-slur/ https://www.upi.com/Bills-Incognito-apologized-hugged-it-out-with-Jags-Ngakoue/4351516981094/ If you were anywhere as near of a Buffalo Bills fan as you are an Alabama fan you would know what I said about him "apologizing" is a fact. It was discussed on this board in multiple threads. I could of continued attaching links from every major source in football. I just googled and linked the top ones. You could investigate yourself but why do I get the feeling you won't. The NFL is not investigating because he no longer plays football...........he is retired. What Shady wanted to do has no bearing on how OBD felt. I am ashamed for letting your and others "hot takes" since Sundays game get to me. Usually I let these type of threads go by with a snicker but you broke me and I had to reply. You are entitled to your "feelings" but you are not entitled to create opinions disguised as facts. As a footnote to the entire OL problem. Beane and McDermott hold the responsibility for fielding a weak unit. Richie Incognito has to own his responsibility for this situation as much as anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 6 hours ago, Sky Diver said: We would be watching a better product if Richie was on the field. Boo boo for us. Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe losing E. Wood was the biggest blow to this OL but I see way more Richie threads than Wood threads. I know Wood was forced to retire due to injury but let's face it, Richie probably doesn't do as well without Wood here. I'm pretty sure Wood was influential in keeping Richie on track during his time in Buffalo. And, if Wood would've been able to continue playing, I'm sure this front office would've been more interested in keeping him around than Richie, he's more valuable. Just a shame injuries forced him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Your refusal to accept facts is truly amazing. You don't need to reply to this post...................it will be just more of your "dog with a bone" replies. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2755777-yannick-ngakoue-says-richie-incognito-apologized-after-racial-slur-accusations https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/01/25/richie-incognito-yannick-ngakoue-bills-jaguars-playoff-game-racial-slur-accusation https://buffalonews.com/2018/01/25/incognito-says-he-and-ngakoue-talked-like-men-about-alleged-racial-slur/ https://www.upi.com/Bills-Incognito-apologized-hugged-it-out-with-Jags-Ngakoue/4351516981094/ If you were anywhere as near of a Buffalo Bills fan as you are an Alabama fan you would know what I said about him "apologizing" is a fact. It was discussed on this board in multiple threads. I could of continued attaching links from every major source in football. I just googled and linked the top ones. You could investigate yourself but why do I get the feeling you won't. The NFL is not investigating because he no longer plays football...........he is retired. What Shady wanted to do has no bearing on how OBD felt. I am ashamed for letting your and others "hot takes" since Sundays game get to me. Usually I let these type of threads go by with a snicker but you broke me and I had to reply. You are entitled to your "feelings" but you are not entitled to create opinions disguised as facts. As a footnote to the entire OL problem. Beane and McDermott hold the responsibility for fielding a weak unit. Richie Incognito has to own his responsibility for this situation as much as anyone. I’m sure a lot of nasty things have been said on a football field. Do you think Richie is the first or will be the last? What happened with the alleged investigation between January and when he retired? What was it, April or May? Can the NFL really be slower than the federal gov’t? Edited October 4, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Augie said: To be more accurate with my words, I am always loyal to my family, but I will also turn my back on them if their actions are not something I can support. It can be what you have to do sometimes. I’ve been there, unfortunately. Forget it, it’s not worth it. He doesn’t understand the difference between abandoning and enabling. I’m not going to have this battle, it’s just not worth it. We never abandoned anyone. Ever. ...what is tremendously sad is that close friends, etc have reached out pleading for him to get help, all falling on deaf ears.....the first major step is to admit "yes I need help", easier said than done...Augie, you know this all too well my friend as do I with my late brother.....he reached out, I got him help, but his expected results did not come quick enough, ending in tragedy....I'm sure we both hope Richie does not have a tragic ending as well........... Edited October 4, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: I’m sure a lot of nasty things have been said on a football field. Do you think Richie is the first or will be the last? Richie Incognito's situation was different than most players. I noticed you conveniently leave things out in replies you get from posters. You are a very savvy person with your replies. http://www.mcall.com/sports/football/eagles/mc-bills-incognito-20150407-story.html This is just one of many articles about the initial Incognito signing by the Bills. Excerpts: Richie Incognito knows that his every step with the Buffalo Bills will fall under intense scrutiny. Incognito has already convinced the two people who matter most, team owners Terry and Kim Pegula, of that. He's also aware that no amount of mea culpas will change some people's opinion of him. Incognito's issues do indeed date to his college days at Nebraska. He was accused of bullying a Cornhuskers teammate, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault and eventually left the program after multiple suspensions. "I don't want to get into what promises and assurances that I made, but like I said, we had a very good and open conversation," Incognito recalled Monday of that meeting. "We went back and forth on a lot of issues. They really just wanted to get a feel for me as a person and as a teammate. I think we both left that meeting feeling good about where I was at and where they were at. It's a great opportunity and I'm very thankful." Richie Incognito's signing with the Bills was not an "ordinary" OG signing. Another Footnote: I really liked the Incognitos signing when it happened. He played even better than I expected. That being said, the Bills were in their right for any actions they deemed appropriate when the verbal assurances from RI were compromised by his actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1FdzjBStgM Richie’s interview on Pat McAfee’s show Edited October 4, 2018 by WotAGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Richie Incognito's situation was different than most players. I noticed you conveniently leave things out in replies you get from posters. You are a very savvy person with your replies. http://www.mcall.com/sports/football/eagles/mc-bills-incognito-20150407-story.html This is just one of many articles about the initial Incognito signing by the Bills. Excerpts: Richie Incognito knows that his every step with the Buffalo Bills will fall under intense scrutiny. Incognito has already convinced the two people who matter most, team owners Terry and Kim Pegula, of that. He's also aware that no amount of mea culpas will change some people's opinion of him. Incognito's issues do indeed date to his college days at Nebraska. He was accused of bullying a Cornhuskers teammate, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault and eventually left the program after multiple suspensions. "I don't want to get into what promises and assurances that I made, but like I said, we had a very good and open conversation," Incognito recalled Monday of that meeting. "We went back and forth on a lot of issues. They really just wanted to get a feel for me as a person and as a teammate. I think we both left that meeting feeling good about where I was at and where they were at. It's a great opportunity and I'm very thankful." Richie Incognito's signing with the Bills was not an "ordinary" OG signing. Another Footnote: I really liked the Incognitos signing when it happened. He played even better than I expected. That being said, the Bills were in their right for any actions they deemed appropriate when the verbal assurances from RI were compromised by his actions. Did he pull a girl’s pig tails in elementary school too? Whatever happened to sticks and stones? Maybe you need a thicker skin if you play football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 He played well in his last chance in the NFL and the Bills felt it was time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Did he pull a girl’s pig tails in elementary school too? Whatever happened to sticks and stones? Maybe you need a thicker skin if you play football. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) When my father was called an ethnic slur, it usually ended in fisticuffs. Now we have cry babies. Edited October 4, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Did he pull a girl’s pig tails in elementary school too? Whatever happened to sticks and stones? Maybe you need a thicker skin if you play football. ...or subscribing to you level of ignorance when it comes to recognizing a person's (who gives a rat's azz if he plays football) struggles with mental illness.....then again, NOTHING would be expected from your ilk.......just pathetic...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...or subscribing to you level of ignorance when it comes to recognizing a person's (who gives a rat's azz if he plays football) struggles with mental illness.....then again, NOTHING would be expected from your ilk.......just pathetic...... I’m not really following the righteous indigation. Can you explain the reasons for the personal attack? Edited October 4, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinES3 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 All I know is at 34, he was still at the top of his game. He was always crazy, no doubt. However, I can't help but feel he'd be suiting up right now had the Bills not asked a top 5, 4X pro bowl Guard coming off arguably his best season, on an extremely reasonable contract, to take a pay cut... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 17 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Richie played 3 yrs at an All-Pro level for a bargain price. He was still capable of playing at a high level. The Bills shouldn’t have asked him to take a huge paycut. $3.5M on the roll of the dice with Coleman was stupid. I’d rather have seen that money go to Richie as a reward for his service. I believe that if we don’t cut his salary he’s would still be on the team and we would be far better off. I don’t see any connection here with Forte. Frankly, you're right. I shouldn't compare Richie and Forte because Forte played much longer for the Bears and didn't show signs of mental illness at the end of his term there. The Bears had far more of a reason to be faithful to Forte than the Bills had to be faithful to Richie. And if you seriously think he would still be on this team if we'd paid him, than there is seriously something wrong with your thought process. He threatened people with gun violence and told the cops he was working for the government and yet also being surveilled and persecuted by the government. Seriously you are absolutely wrong that he'd still be playing. Totally wrong. Serious, serious problems for Richie. I wish him the best in his recovery. But at this point it's clear you're either trolling here or just wacko on this issue, so if your next reply is as bizarre as this one, I'll consider my work here done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 7 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...what is tremendously sad is that close friends, etc have reached out pleading for him to get help, all falling on deaf ears.....the first major step is to admit "yes I need help", easier said than done...Augie, you know this all too well my friend as do I with my late brother.....he reached out, I got him help, but his expected results did not come quick enough, ending in tragedy....I'm sure we both hope Richie does not have a tragic ending as well........... It really is sad. And I'm sorry to hear about your brother. And as I look back at this thread, I'm pretty convinced Sky Diver is trolling. Which is outright sad and rude, based on what the issue is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: And as I look back at this thread, I'm pretty convinced Sky Diver is trolling. Which is outright sad and rude, based on what the issue is. I'm convinced too. What a coincidence. [This is an automated response] This topic is no longer contributing positively to the community and therefore the discussion has been closed. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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