Ease up on Allen

[John from Riverside]

i just find it interesting that everyone knows he needs a year....then he starts and ppl want to forget all that

 

IT DID NOT CHANGE JUST BECAUSE HE IS STARTING....and you compound the fact that he has nothing around him which just makes it worse

 

We cant run ball.....like AT ALL

Our WR's drop balls AND cant get open

 

Ppl need to relax.....this year is not about winning

[Success]

Allen is tough and smart.  He’ll survive this.

 

Every cent of the extra cap money we get next year needs to go to the offense.

 

This is the hard part - for him and us. Better days ahead.

[Ittakestime]

2 hours ago, teef said:

i thought you just said he would never be able to this?

 

And where in that response did I ever say he will be able to do anything I said in the post?

[RobbRiddick]

He needs to think of it as a very interesting 15-20 minute mark of his A Football Life episode in twenty year's time

[Ramza86]

52 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

This is TBD! 

 

I think you mean comparisons are "MUTE".

 

If you think it is impossible to evaluate Allen, you're wrong.

 

Receivers are open on most plays and he is not under duress every time he looks to throw the ball.

 

 

 

On this team? 

 

[John from Riverside]

18 minutes ago, Figster said:

Everyone can agree the Offense as a unit has a long way to go. When you take into consideration very low reps going into the season between rookie QB J A and the starting unit.  New system installation and the rookie himself experiencing Defensive looks and superior play from the opposition on a whole new level. Its all part of the learning curve IMO.

 

The most important thing that can happen for the Buffalo Bills this season is the growth and health of Josh Allen in my humble opinion.

 

Myself Personally, we will see improvement from Allen and the Buffalo Bills as time goes on.

 

Growing pains...

To me that is what this season is all about now.....that and the development of the young guys on our defense like edmunds

[teef]

15 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

 

And where in that response did I ever say he will be able to do anything I said in the post?

in another post, this was your comment:

 

"Josh Allen will never be good.  Bills better use their high pick next year to take a real QB prospect."

 

do you see how this is conflicting?  you say he needs to get better, but that he'll never be good.  

[Jerome007]

He has had one great game where receivers dropped tons of balls and one really bad one. Give him more time, will ya all? If he only had awful games, that's one thing. So far he's made some great showings in the preseason and real games, and some deer-in-the-headlight ones. IMO he has shown enough promise, especially with that surrounding cast, for us to keep faith.

 

Some flaws like doing too much, not reading blitzes well (which seem a TEAM issue as much as his), and a few more are most likely correctable damn fast. Rookie mistakes.

 

Accuracy? He's been off 2 games, and on one. He seems to be the classical "rhythm passer", if in a groove can tear a defense apart, if not, is like a wild goose all over the place. And some of the routes miitakes and long throws misses, well when he knows his receivers better (and vice versa) things will improve. He barely played and practiced with the 1st stringers during preseason.

 

Reading defenses and such, only time will tell if he picks things fast.  

 

He is GREEN. Has he shown enough to warrant continuing on even IF the Bills had another option? Damn right.

 

Edit: and he seems tough mentally. That's crazy important for a rookie thrown in the fire with such a dire offensive cast

 

 

Edited October 1, 2018 by Jerome007

[Ittakestime]

2 hours ago, teef said:

in another post, this was your comment:

 

"Josh Allen will never be good.  Bills better use their high pick next year to take a real QB prospect."

 

do you see how this is conflicting?  you say he needs to get better, but that he'll never be good.  

 

 

It's two of the same thing.  Needing to get better is just a nicer way of saying you suck.

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

 

 

It's two of the same thing.  Needing to get better is just a nicer way of saying you suck.

no...it's not.  in one thread you state josh allen will never be good.  in another, you say he needs work.  maybe just not use absolutes in the future?

[NoHuddleKelly12]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

If.......in 1990........I had told you that the Bills should do something that the 1960 Bills did that helped them develop into a winner would you have found that applicable?

 

Because 30 years is a LONG time in the NFL.

 

The Cowboys INTENTIONALLY tanked to load up on talent.

 

Because that USED to work.

 

The last time a team parlayed the first pick into a long run of competitiveness was the 1998 Colts.

 

All the consistently championship competitive teams in the 2000's have gotten there while rising from mediocrity.

 

Whether you were trying to compare eras or not is irrelevant.   You did and the Cowboys example just isn't applicable any longer.

 

 

Again, my point was that rookie QB's, regardless of whether they end up turning out alright or not, will have uneven (and in some cases, outright putrid) results during that rookie campaign (always exceptions I know, such as Marino, Roethlisberger)--era played in doesn't affect that general truth (see also Manning's first couple stat lines/record rookie year). I chose Aikman's example for the simple reason that his was so astonishingly bad. And while we're on the subject of rookie campaigns, Sam Darnold as a "can't miss" most "pro-ready" QB allegedly of this draft, is enduring his share of Jets fans already calling him a bust. Really? https://empirewritesback.com/2018/09/26/new-york-jets-sam-darnold-bust-talk-ridiculous-even-jets-fans/

 

 

4 hours ago, AllenWillBust said:

 

Wait a few years.

We can say the same thing for Allen

Edited October 1, 2018 by NoHuddleKelly12

[NoHuddleKelly12]

6 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

Nobody on a message board has the authority to make any decisions as to what the Bills do with Allen.

 

The attack posts aimed at members voicing their concerns about Allen is the real problem.

Hey it would be incredibly boring if we all agreed on this, and I for one don't want to attack anyone who voices concerns with Allen. He's by no means Kelly of any of Kelly's years here yet. Instead, he is what he is--a rookie in his first couple starts who's going to screw things up hopefully a little less than he gets things right over the course of this season, but is also incredibly gifted, more so than anyone around here since Kelly retired, therefore all of the hope/hype. But IMO any real analysis of how he's doing so far, has to also start with what he has to work with any given Sunday:

http://www.oleantimesherald.com/sports/pollock-blaming-allen-for-bills-loss-misses-point/article_8a74cec6-c534-11e8-8182-8bc9caac653b.html

 

[Fred Clause]

5 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

So you only want to hear criticism with the caveat that he's raw and is very likely to develop into a high quality starting NFL QB?

 

What if he actually is a bust and the terrible play we're witnessing doesn't have a silver lining?

 

He's the most inaccurate QB in the NFL and I don't personally think that's a flaw that can be corrected. I bought into the footwork argument, etc. because I WANT TO BELIEVE. At this point, I'm beyond skeptical and I'm kind of tired of Allen apologists acting like that makes me any less of a fan.

Funny, I didn’t hear you B word about his accuracy last week, do you want to check Rosen’s or Mayfields completion percentages from yesterday’s games? Let us know what you find...

[Boatdrinks]

3 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

 

i don't every recall him being called a bust at any point, the media always kissed his behind as the Messiah of football,

 

he did choke away the inherited lead after Joe got hurt by Leonard Marshall, that was still the Niners game to win

 

 

Young was regarded as a bust early on. It wasn’t until he ( self admittedly) reinvented his game to make more plays from the pocket that he became a great NFL QB. 

[LSHMEAB]

1 hour ago, Fred Clause said:

Funny, I didn’t hear you B word about his accuracy last week, do you want to check Rosen’s or Mayfields completion percentages from yesterday’s games? Let us know what you find...

 

I didn't B because I was impressed with his performance against the Vikings.

 

My concern is the inaccuracy on what should be routine completions. Those are the very same knocks against him going back to college. 

 

I am fine with young QB's making mistakes, throwing picks, missing reads, etc. I am ALARMED when a young QB struggles to accurately throw the ball to a guy 10 yards away.

[Búfalo Blanco]

8 hours ago, schoolhouserock said:

 

What do the other 10% want?

Another semester of Common Core...?

[The Red King]

7 hours ago, AllenWillBust said:

 

Wait a few years.

 

So...lemmie be sure I got this.

 

Allen: After three games is definitely, without fail a bust!  Three games is enough to evaluate a quarterback.

Rosen: Sure he doesn't look good now, but you have to wait a few years before you can judge him!

 

[Mat68]

4 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

He has had one great game where receivers dropped tons of balls and one really bad one. Give him more time, will ya all? If he only had awful games, that's one thing. So far he's made some great showings in the preseason and real games, and some deer-in-the-headlight ones. IMO he has shown enough promise, especially with that surrounding cast, for us to keep faith.

 

Some flaws like doing too much, not reading blitzes well (which seem a TEAM issue as much as his), and a few more are most likely correctable damn fast. Rookie mistakes.

 

Accuracy? He's been off 2 games, and on one. He seems to be the classical "rhythm passer", if in a groove can tear a defense apart, if not, is like a wild goose all over the place. And some of the routes miitakes and long throws misses, well when he knows his receivers better (and vice versa) things will improve. He barely played and practiced with the 1st stringers during preseason.

 

Reading defenses and such, only time will tell if he picks things fast.  

 

He is GREEN. Has he shown enough to warrant continuing on even IF the Bills had another option? Damn right.

 

Edit: and he seems tough mentally. That's crazy important for a rookie thrown in the fire with such a dire offensive cast

 

 

I agree, but would add every Qb for the most part is a rythem passer.  The Minnesota game they opened with some screens and some play calls that were designed easy read and throws.  That is what they need to do moving forward.  McCoy and the running game be damned.  Get Allen into a rythem, pick up first downs and get his and the offense confidence up.  As much as it is on Allen to get it going, Daboll needs to script a better start.  Throw out weeks 2 and 4 and really look at what they did week 3.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Because that guy says nothing but stupid cliches. Let's blame millenials.... he's going to say it's all a joke but it's not.

 

 

 

Angry millennial is angry! To the safe space!

[billsfan_34]

I think Allen is raw with alot of upside. His accuracy issues must be fixed, however, I dont know how well that can be judged yet. This kid is playing behind a terrible line with the worst receiver corps I have ever seen the Bills field. When a QB cant rely on either he is doomed. Lets let him develop (or hope he does) and build around him.