What I haven’t seen from Peterman

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

They are not poor reads at all if the ball gets there quick enough.

The Bengals near pick 6 was really Peterman not being able to step into his throw, OL pushed into his face. Also the DB was already breaking on the ball before it left Peterman's hand. That's what people are worried about, DB jumping routes.

[Kelly the Dog]

6 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

The Bengals near pick 6 was really Peterman not being able to step into his throw, OL pushed into his face. Also the DB was already breaking on the ball before it left Peterman's hand. That's what people are worried about, DB jumping routes.

Because they KNOW he cannot get the ball there fast enough! 

[LeGOATski]

Peterman held the safety with his eyes and hit Benjamin 20+ yards downfield for the TD. You don't need to get much more "deep" than that in this offense.

 

I liked that Daboll was talking about adjusting the game plan to each QB's skill set. Whoever's in the game, he's going to limit the areas they suck at and expand on the areas they're good at.

 

It might be a little cliche and he'll need to prove it on game day, but it's encouraging none-the-less. Dennison seemed to struggle with adjusting his game plan.

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, Putin said:

Maybe because we don’t really have much speed ( WR ‘s ) to go  deep in the first place ??

 

KB for one. Zay's fast enough. Got open deep last year.

 

You're making bad excuses before the season even starts.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Because they KNOW he cannot get the ball there fast enough! 

That's not it. It's tendencies. DB's are jumping routes, but if Peterman shows more throws they won't, can't. I want to see Peterman use that. That's where we need to see him evolve. Many QB's with weak to average arms have been successful throwing outs. Drew Brees for example. It's all about keeping DB's off balance.

 

[swnybillsfan]

7 hours ago, OJ Tom said:

 

Or...he is just another in a long line of not quite good enough to make it/barely good enough to make a roster-guys, that have passed through the training camps of the NFL for decades.

 

It's nice that he works hard, says all the right  things etc...yay.

 

  

yeah, i get it. i will just never trash a guy for doing his best and being a good guy. if he were a raging d-bag, that's another story. his ceiling very well may be a serviceable backup. but we need one of those too.

[Prickly Pete]

26 minutes ago, swnybillsfan said:

yeah, i get it. i will just never trash a guy for doing his best and being a good guy. if he were a raging d-bag, that's another story. his ceiling very well may be a serviceable backup. but we need one of those too.

 

I don't hate the guy. I think for some fans, they identify with the whole underdog persona he has. Allen has suitable  enough underdog mojo in his story for me. 
I  don't need a guy to be a former grocery store bagger to cheer for him.    

 

 

      

Edited September 7, 2018 by OJ Tom

[Putin]

2 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

KB for one. Zay's fast enough. Got open deep last year.

 

You're making bad excuses before the season even starts.

KB is super fast I forgot , that’s why we have no need for Colman 

[Green Lightning]

7 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

WTF?!

 

On an 18 yard pass in the air, to a wide open KB, you B word and say, "Give him his due"-  responding to me saying - "Good pass, right on the money but it wasn't that long  and not difficult" with you saying "nice pass, right on the money with a safety and corner under." Which wasn't really true, of course. The CB wasn't close to him and the safety was running over but didn't even get there in time to stop him from running untouched ten yards into the endzone.

Methinks the author doth protest too much. 

[Gray Beard]

8 hours ago, The Wiz said:

I guess the question to this would be would prefer this on 3rd and short or a dump off on 3rd and long?  I'd honestly prefer he take the chance since they would probably be covering the super short routes.

A long pass along the sidelines on third and short is a pet peeve with me.  It’s not just the Bills who are guilty. I think anyone with even an inkling of the concept of analytics would realize that that play has a low probability of success.

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Realistically, how long would you hold onto a backup QB that every time you put him in he throws picks?

 

NEVER confuse effort with success.  

 

Not long.

 

But we all know that's not going to happen.  No one has ever been that bad at this job.

[BuffaloHokie13]

10 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

WTF?!

 

On an 18 yard pass in the air, to a wide open KB, you B word and say, "Give him his due"-  responding to me saying - "Good pass, right on the money but it wasn't that long  and not difficult" with you saying "nice pass, right on the money with a safety and corner under." Which wasn't really true, of course. The CB wasn't close to him and the safety was running over but didn't even get there in time to stop him from running untouched ten yards into the endzone.

To be fair though, how many NFL safeties are fast enough to catch up to KB? He's a burner.

[Jerome007]

I just hope most fans have a tad more patience that what I read in here.

 

Did you see the first half last night? The SUPERBOWL CHAMPS with their Superbowl MVP Backup QB had gained ONE yard 5 minutes into the 2nd quarter.

 

It was 6-3 when I stopped watching and the half was almost over. With two offense powerhouses. (Sure their D is good too, no doubt, but still, both have a reputation for offense)

 

Point is: offenses don't score on every drive, and most plays are NOT successful.

 

The only legit gripe we can have for Peterman is if he throws many picks right away. Otherwise... RELAX and have some perspective. Reading on here you'd think only the Bills have made bad trades, bad drafts, bad play calling, all ex-Bills become superstars elsewhere, etc. Newsflash: none of the 32 teams are perfect! You think even Bellichick doesn't get criticized in the papers? Recall a few years back after their shaky 1-2 start where they did look bad when the Boston media implied that maybe Brady was getting too old and Grumpy Bill couldn't pass his message anymore. Ridiculous.

 

 

[Ittakestime]

Not really concerned about him throwing 50 plus yards.  Brees and Brady barely air it out.  It is all about the mid range game and short game in the NFL.  He just needs to be smart and go through his progressions.

[Deadstroke]

15 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Look, i hear what you are saying about the deep ball. Peterman can throw the ball deep.  Is he going to throw it 70 yards? No. Can he throw it 30 to 40 yards accurately over the top if defenders cheat up on the short routes? Yes. Anyone in the NFL can throw the ball 40+ yards with enough accuracy and velocity to keep a team honest. It will be Peterman's ability to do so consistently that will determine the effectiveness. This goes for any one of the routes. Keeping the defense off balance is a great key to success. I hope Peterman can make the throws he needs to when he needs to make them. 

I think that might be an advantage to keeping and playing Foster.  We'll see.

15 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Every qb in the NFL, including all of the PS and all of the weak armed ones like Matt Barkley can throw the ball 55 yards in the air. Every one. That does nothing to dispel weak arm worries.

Not sure just how that makes sense??

[CLTbills]

16 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said:

I've never seen him play a game from start to finish. 

 

I've never seen him win a game as the starting QB that didn't involve what an insurence agency would classify an "Act of God".

 

I've never seen him quit either. 

 

I've never seen him make excuses.

 

I've never seen him work harder than he did this off-season to improve.

 

I've never seen a player with so much to prove.

 

While I don't expect Nate to look like Rodgers 2.0 I am hopeful that the work he put in during the off-season and the addition of Brian Daboll can show he is at the very least a servicible spot starter in the NFL.

This sums it up. For all that the kid has been through, you have to admire how hard he worked. Anybody that watched the preseason knows, he straight up won the job by outperforming the others. This wasn't given to him.

[Deadstroke]

14 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

What receiver on this team is stretching the field? 

 

They have 0 speed at the position. 

Foster.

[HamSandwhich]

I think the stretching the field thing is overblown.  He has the ability to get the ball down the field 40 yds I would assume, and that's enough to stretch the field in my opinion.  Not to say he's Tom Brady but Brady had the same knocks.  We'll see. 

[Kelly the Dog]

32 minutes ago, Deadstroke said:

 

Not sure just how that makes sense??

Because when anyone talks about lack of "arm strength" in the NFL in a meaningful way it is not about being able to lob a ball 55 yards. They all can. It's about can you throw a straight hard pass on an out pattern or deep out or 25 yard crossing pattern and have it get there hard and quick enough that a NFL CB or S doesn't step in front and intercept or knock it down. A lot of out patterns that are completions in college and practice and preseason are pick sixes or INTs or incomplete in real games if you lack sufficient arm strength. 

[reddogblitz]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Not long.

 

But we all know that's not going to happen.  No one has ever been that bad at this job.

 

That's what we said before the Chargers game.

2 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

I just hope most fans have a tad more patience that what I read in here.

 

Did you see the first half last night? The SUPERBOWL CHAMPS with their Superbowl MVP Backup QB had gained ONE yard 5 minutes into the 2nd quarter.

 

It was 6-3 when I stopped watching and the half was almost over. With two offense powerhouses. (Sure their D is good too, no doubt, but still, both have a reputation for offense)

 

Point is: offenses don't score on every drive, and most plays are NOT successful.

 

Nick Foles had 117 yards and a pick.  They had 113 yards rushing to Atlanta's 74.  Maybe run and stop the run still works after all.