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John from Riverside

At the end of the day....this is our team

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Yeah I heard worse crap last summer.  I mean seriously, they were supposed to be so bad they were tanking .Perhaps these guys are better than you think?  I know that’s not how it’s done here but still 

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1 hour ago, Max Fischer said:

Technically, it's the Pegula's team.

 

As for the roster, this is how I see a comparison to last year's team:

 

QB: Honestly believe Peterman or Allen are more apt to win games than Tyrod (and first-year Peterman).  Of course, the major difference is . . .

 

OL:  Worse than last year.  No one on the squad is as good as Incognito, Groy could be a push on Wood, all others are literally the same (and not necessarily improving).  Biggest potential disaster. 

 

WR:  On paper, I think this is a slight upgrade over last year. 

 

RB:  Slightly better than last year. Though if Shady goes down . . .

 

TE:  I believe they'll be better than last year overall.  More versatility.  

 

Depth:  Possibly a push but hard to tell. 

 

Coordinator:  Even on Daboll's worst day I think he's better than Rick Dennison.  Even geniuses can't make all bad players look good, but I think overall, Daboll will make a "D" offense into a "C- or C" offense, which could be "good enough" and likely better than last year. No real depth could also wipe out the season. 

 

 

DL - I'd like to say significantly better than last year but I'll simply say "improved" on paper. 

 

LB - Again, would like to say "improved" but I'll call this a push until Edwards gets better and Milano shows improvement. 

 

DB - All the same as last year, but curious if the new corners are better than Gaines and company. 

 

Depth: Slightly better but likely a push until proven otherwise. 

 

Coordinator: Same. Curious to see if a true game plan will restore confidence that getting kicked around in preseason meant nothing.  

 

Much tougher schedule, growing pains at QB, potential OL implosion so I'll go with 6-10.  Bad start and gets better as season goes on. 

Agreed Max. Other than O-Line, which is really a major question mark, this team is better.

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1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

I remember. 

 

This year’s motto (Two Hearts Beat As One?) doesn’t really get me going as much.

One Heart Beat Louder 

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57 minutes ago, bobblehead said:

Yeah I heard worse crap last summer.  I mean seriously, they were supposed to be so bad they were tanking .Perhaps these guys are better than you think?  I know that’s not how it’s done here but still 

these were my thoughts before the Bengals game … that O-line tho … see my avatar

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I still believe we win a SB within five years. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. It'll feel much more sweeter because of the tough times.

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2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

 the Jauron era

Ouch!

30 minutes ago, Sanners said:

Agreed Max. Other than O-Line, which is really a major question mark, this team is better.

But you don't win without a decent offensive line, unless you have Tom or Aaron behind it.

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3 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

All true, but remember the words of General George Patton - a good soldier bitches!

 

 

"I love it. God help me, I do love it so..."

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2 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

We have 10 picks next year, not 9

And 82 million in cap space,as of today.

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Dead cap space is horrendous but mostly on the past regime. Hopefully it quickly corrects itself by the next year or 2020

 

Difference between 10-6 and 5-11 is a few plays, injuries, etc.

 

So both are within the realm of very probable. Sobering fact: only 4 teams out of 12 repeated making the playoffs last year...

 

That's also why Allen pumped us as he brings HOPE. A good QB makes everyone Billeive and play better. But let's not burn the young guy for a 17 years of drought that hapened before him even if he wears #17

 

 

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27 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

"I love it. God help me, I do love it so..."

Old blood and guts. Our blood, his guts. 

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4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

When I comb through the transactions and our team has taken shape I feel that

 

- There simply was not the move that was going to make our team significantly better.....even after final cuts I am not seeing "that guy" that is going to come in and change whatever our win total is going to be this year. 

 

- I think that our coaching is so good that it got every last bit of mayo out of the jar last year.   I expect the same thing to happen this year.

 

- This year was all about getting the qb of the future.....biting the bullet on the huge dead cap....and looking towards next year with what is it....NINE picks and possibly around 100 million in cap space.....

 

- but what if....just WHAT if.....this team finds a way to be competative?  Now the team looks to be in GREAT shape heading into the following season with a strong draft under their belt, another set of 9 picks, and a lot of cap space.

I won't even say the coaching was very good last year...The #s don't lie.  We were one of the worsts team statistically on defense and a middle of the run team with the worst passing on offense.  However, what the Coaching gave the team was the ability to make key plays when the game was on the line.  This allowed us to win games even when we were statistically not in it.

 

The draft is a crapshoot. We won't know about the success or failure of the draft until 2-3 seasons later. 

 

Go Bills!

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4 minutes ago, ganesh said:

I won't even say the coaching was very good last year...The #s don't lie.  We were one of the worsts team statistically on defense and a middle of the run team with the worst passing on offense.  However, what the Coaching gave the team was the ability to make key plays when the game was on the line.  This allowed us to win games even when we were statistically not in it.

 

The draft is a crapshoot. We won't know about the success or failure of the draft until 2-3 seasons later. 

 

Go Bills!

That is kinda the point....the coaching got us wins in games that we very well could have lost....we were in the middle of a rebiuld while doing it......and now we are in year 2.

 

Its gonna be interesting to see how this season plays out

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1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

One Heart Beat Louder 

same sh*t, different year.

 

 

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4 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

$50 million in dead cap is hard to overcome.

 

One more reason Doug Whaley is managing a college all star roster not on par with the East-West Shrine game.

 

3 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

We have 10 picks next year, not 9

 

7 are in rounds 4-7.  

 

Buffalo is going to take a step back before it can take a step forward. The question remains as to how fans can take that after the generation of fail from 2000-16. 

 

At the end of the season if they're 5-11, but have developed a starting QB, feature a solid pass rush, have a rising MLB, and the secondary remains tough, well, perhaps it's worth it.

 

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3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

One Heart Beat Louder 

oh, right.   I was close

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11 hours ago, westside said:

I think we took a couple if not more steps backwards. To many unknowns and the loss of several good players without filling the holes they left behind. I see this as a 3 or 4 win team right now. I hope I'm wrong though.

Anyone know how that compares to the rest of the league?

 

...I think #2 is $25 mil.............

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11 hours ago, bobblehead said:

Yeah I heard worse crap last summer.  I mean seriously, they were supposed to be so bad they were tanking .Perhaps these guys are better than you think?  I know that’s not how it’s done here but still 

....and last year the schedule was brutal, right? no kb til late october...and a hobbling jordan matthews for receivers....rico calling plays,  juan ruining the run game until players revolt

 

...an you know who at qb.  looking at all that was last year, how can one not be optimistic this year?

 

edit: not having to see tolbert out there and also not losing my voice yelling..."throw the f...in ball!!  will be a huge plus. we are going to the playoffs again!

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1 minute ago, billsredneck1 said:

...an you know who at qb.  looking at all that was last year, how can one not be optimistic this year?

 

Never underestimate a bills fan when it comes to self-inflicted misery.

 

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13 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

All true, but remember the words of General George Patton - a good soldier bitches!

 

Then you slap him upside of the head ;)

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22 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

Old blood and guts. Our blood, his guts. 

 

 

The slap heard round the world...

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On 9/2/2018 at 6:55 PM, COTC said:

Oh woe is me!! This thread is depressing...

 

Good Vibes lead to Good things. 

 

We will improve and build from last year. 

Actually, hard work, sweating over every last detail, and always thinking you can improve are the sorts of things that lead to good things.

 

We are a league leading regression candidate for this season and likely to take a big step backward.  Without the ridiculous takeaway/giveaway ratio we enjoyed last year, we almost have to regress.

 

The question is whether we will rebound with 2 steps forward next year and beyond.

 

That depends entirely on whether or not Josh Allen can defy odds and turn into a good QB.

 

 

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This is a roster still in transition. Can't do everything in one off-season. Lot of moves with a view towards next off season when we have craploads of cap space. This FO actually has a plan and while we might not always like or agree with it, at least we can understand why they are doing most of the things they do.

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