TheElectricCompany Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, mannc said: Well, he didn’t do that with Oakland, so that would be a bit of a surprise, wouldn’t it? That defense was terrible, but he put up 10+ for the last three years. Chicago is a much better situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 hour ago, cage said: I think after the way they've played the last two weeks it crystalized to Beane that our first rounder next year might be a top 5 pick I'd like to think that Beane's been around long enough to know that pre-season is a terrible indicator of how you are going to play during the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GG Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: This team has exactly one star player who is probably in his last year here. They have massive holes along the offensive line, secondary, receiver and linebacking positions that have persisted for two offseasons. They had no problem overspending for defensive line help but the two veterans they overpaid for look like they may be out of gas. They are shaping up as a 3-4 win team this season. It’s time for this first-time GM to start showing some roster-building ability. Then using this logic and 2018 win projection, why in the world would you trade two No. 1s for one player, when there are many many roster holes?Never mind that the ownership is also wary that he will hold out again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 36 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Not one position group got a new deal before entering their 5th year (maybe QB has) Aaron Donald just did. So did O’Dell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, GG said: Then using this logic and 2018 win projection, why in the world would you trade two No. 1s for one player, when there are many many roster holes?Never mind that the ownership is also wary that he will hold out again. Because you should be using free agency to fill holes, not the draft. The Bills’ biggest hole is talent - they have exactly one proven playmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 The Bills need to see what they have in Allen before dropping 2 1sts on a guy like Mack. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 5 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: That defense was terrible, but he put up 10+ for the last three years. Chicago is a much better situation. Maybe so, but I suspect that people in Oakland believe Mack’s play dropped off a bit last year. I don’t watch enough Raiders games to say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: You fail to comprehend my point. On the one hand you say that you could get almost anyone for a first round pick. On the other hand you say that first round picks aren't all that important. To continue with your way of thinking, then your first round pick that isn't all that important can be used to get a good WR. How is that first round pick then not important? Because that’s not how they are used. We treat those picks in a way that makes us afraid to let them go. They rarely end up resulting in a good pick anyway. Good NFL players are traded for mid round draft picks. I would be more willing to trade picks for proven NFL talent, then to roll the dice on these draft picks. That’s all I’m saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Because you should be using free agency to fill holes, not the draft. The Bills’ biggest hole is talent - they have exactly one proven playmaker. Correct and you should be using the draft to build the team in the first place. This is not '87 when the pieces were already in place and all the team needed was Bennett. PS, you don't give up that much draft capital after you just gave up players and picks to get Allen. Edited September 1, 2018 by GG 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: Because you should be using free agency to fill holes, not the draft. The Bills’ biggest hole is talent - they have exactly one proven playmaker. The Bills lack a foundation right now. Can’t build that without picks. The roster is closer to one giant hole than anything else. Mack had value to them and they offered something in line with that price. By the time this team is ready to contend Mack will be close to 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 I'm glad this news wasn't announced during the game the other night -- Kyle Brandt might have spontaneously ejaculated right on the air. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 The Bears probably hope this turns out better for them than the last time they traded two first round picks for a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, eball said: I'm glad this news wasn't announced during the game the other night -- Kyle Brandt might have spontaneously ejaculated right on the air. If you listen closely you can hear him right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, mannc said: Maybe so, but I suspect that people in Oakland believe Mack’s play dropped off a bit last year. I don’t watch enough Raiders games to say... Let's say your right. With what we've seen from historically, that could be his floor. If his floor is 10 sacks and a Pro Bowl, sign me up! Edited September 1, 2018 by TheElectricCompany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 58 minutes ago, joesixpack said: That's more than a reasonable offer, and anyone who says otherwise is a !@#$ing idiot. For sure, the Bills did what they could. They made a solid offer. It wasn’t enough but no one should be mad at them. He didn’t go for a 5th while they sat on their hands. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Because that’s not how they are used. We treat those picks in a way that makes us afraid to let them go. They rarely end up resulting in a good pick anyway. Good NFL players are traded for mid round draft picks. I would be more willing to trade picks for proven NFL talent, then to roll the dice on these draft picks. That’s all I’m saying. Who is this “ we” you speak of ? The Bills FO and staff has been here all of one year. Apparently you have their entire plan and M.O figured out already. One thing they haven’t shown is unwillingness to part with draft picks. They’ve traded many already. This team has many holes as they are only in year two of a teardown/ rebuild project. A surprise playoff appearance in the teardown year shouldn’t overshadow the larger goal/ task at hand. Long term contention, centering around Josh Allen is what they’re after here. Too many missing parts to pay a ransom for one , albeit great D player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Because that’s not how they are used. We treat those picks in a way that makes us afraid to let them go. They rarely end up resulting in a good pick anyway. Good NFL players are traded for mid round draft picks. I would be more willing to trade picks for proven NFL talent, then to roll the dice on these draft picks. That’s all I’m saying. So, what you are saying is that good NFL players can be had for mid round draft picks but 1st round picks aren't all that important? No matter how many times you try to reframe your premise you're really just saying the same thing. First round draft picks are important, whether you use them to trade for a talented player or use them to draft a top notch prospect. Can a mistake be made? Of course. It's not the draft pick's fault though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: They were drafted bu this regime. You can try and play that game all you want You usually deal in reality. You are the one playing fantasy games. Beane was not involved in that draft. Saying it is so does not make it so. His first Buffalo draft was this year, and even you should be able to admit the preseason is too early to judge the quality of the draft. Make a statement in November about his first draft and it might have some significance then. Edited September 1, 2018 by simpleman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 1, 2018 Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Because you should be using free agency to fill holes, not the draft. The Bills’ biggest hole is talent - they have exactly one proven playmaker. I'd argue that we currently have too many holes and if we sign someone like Mack, we can't use FA to fill all these holes; and we won't be able to use the draft to fill these holes b/c we traded our picks for Mack. I would've been OK with a first round pick + Hughes for Mack b/c I agree that a talent like Mack is the whole purpose of having 1st round picks; But two first round picks + more is too much for a team like the Bills. We have a swiss cheese O-line - we need to upgrade at least 2 spots on the OL with very high draft picks. We drafted Allen high, we need to give him talent around him. We need an upgrade at WR McCoy's reign is also probably coming to an end. It wouldn't feel right if the Bills traded away that much. Edited September 1, 2018 by bobobonators 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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