Please name Josh Allen the starter

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

32 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

Yeah... let's forget that AJ got hurt because our o-line got man-handled. That's really what Allen need right now. 

 

It's funny, when our QB's suck, "it's only preseason gosh!" But when we see one do well, it's full steam ahead, next stop Hall of Fame! 

 

And despite Peterman actually playing better than any of our starters, we could care less because "oh , ah! Look at Josh Allen's arm!" And all based on some preseason games... If he was the exact same person, only drafted in the 5th round, I highly doubt there'd be half as much of this going around. 

Go back in your hole.  Allen was clearly better than Peterman last night.  Allen scored on every drive last night and would have had two TD's if Logan Thomas could have made a tough catch.  If you think Peterman looked better than Allen last night then that says it all. 

[Luka]

Aside from the QB battle going on, which is now 1 man down. I think the question the staff has to ask themselves is, will Allen represent an improvement at the QB position over last year?

 

If the answer is yes, then you start him.

 

I've seen posts that say he should be third string while he develops. Guess what, third stringers don't get reps, they get clipboards.

I've seen posts that say Peterman should start while Josh is 2nd string and develops. Guess what, backups don't even get a third of the reps in practice during the regular season.

 

Peterman's arm hasn't gotten any stronger, his pocket presence hasn't improved. Dabol obviously recognizes these shortcomings, his play calling has consisted mainly of quick throws and 3 step drops. Peterman's another Fitzpatrick at best.

[suorangefan4]

19 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

Go back in your hole.  Allen was clearly better than Peterman last night.  Allen scored on every drive last night and would have had two TD's if Logan Thomas could have made a tough catch.  If you think Peterman looked better than Allen last night then that says it all. 

 

I'm going to respond for him.

 

Allen had a 4.6 YPA last night. Peterman had 11.3.

 

Buffalo fan logic 4.6 > 11.3.

 

Allen had 3 scoring drives last night? They started at the CLE 41 yard line on one of them and the BUF 44 yard line the other. They didn't exactly go real far those drives and got a field goal each time.

 

Peterman also had what would've been 3 scoring drives. The TD drive. Another where the backup kicker missed a field goal. And one where the game expired where Peterman took them from their own 33 yard line to the CLE 18 yard line.

 

Edited August 18, 2018 by suorangefan4

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

4 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said:

 

I'm going to respond for him.

 

Allen had a 4.6 YPA last night. Peterman had 11.3.

 

Buffalo fan logic 4.6 > 11.3.

 

Allen had 3 scoring drives last night? They started at the CLE 41 yard line on one of them and the BUF 44 yard line the other. They didn't exactly go real far those drives and got a field goal each time.

 

Logan Thomas dropped a TD? What? That pass well short of the endzone and the first down marker.

 

Peterman also had what would've been 3 scoring drives. The TD drive. Another where the backup kicker missed a field goal. And one where the game expired where Peterman took them from their own 33 yard line to the CLE 18 yard line.

 

Please, the YPA is absolutely useless in a preseason game where players are playing only quarters against different levels of competition.  Especially when you have Allen make an incredible play for a short TD and Peterman gets a 35 yard TD on a short pass over the middle to O'Leary.  Seriously don't bring up these stats like you know what you are talking about when simply watching the game shows you how skewed those stats are.

 

You obviously did not see the pass to the back of the endzone on the two minute drill. 

 

Peterman went 3 and out on his first two drives and was able to pick in up after.  The O'Leary TD was a ten yard pass to a wide open O'Leary who took it for another 25 yards.  Anyone with eyes could see Allen was better.

 

 

 

Edited August 18, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12

[HappyDays]

59 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

And despite Peterman actually playing better than any of our starters, 

 

Peterman hasn't played better than Allen. The only reason you start Peterman is because you think rookie QBs should sit for a few games regardless of how ready they are. If McDermott has been telling the truth that the best QB will start, and I believe he has, then Allen is unquestionably the starter.

Edited August 18, 2018 by HappyDays

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said:

 

I'm going to respond for him.

 

Allen had a 4.6 YPA last night. Peterman had 11.3.

 

Buffalo fan logic 4.6 > 11.3.

 

Allen had 3 scoring drives last night? They started at the CLE 41 yard line on one of them and the BUF 44 yard line the other. They didn't exactly go real far those drives and got a field goal each time.

 

Peterman also had what would've been 3 scoring drives. The TD drive. Another where the backup kicker missed a field goal. And one where the game expired where Peterman took them from their own 33 yard line to the CLE 18 yard line.

 

 

Judging them by preseason stats?  Not the right measuring stick.

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

Please, the YPA is absolutely useless in a preseason game where players are playing only quarters against different levels of competition. 

 

You obviously did not see the pass to the back of the endzone on the two minute drill. 

 

Peterman went 3 and out on his first two drives and was able to pick in up after.  The O'Leary TD was a ten yard pass to a wide open O'Leary who took it for another 25 yards.  Anyone with eyes could see Allen was better.

Why are you picking on a fella with no eyes? It's amazing that he can participate on an internet message board.

[suorangefan4]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Judging them by preseason stats?  Not the right measuring stick.

 

So why are people making claims that Allen was so much better when that's not reality at all?

 

And let's judge on college then.

 

Peterman was better in college. He absolutely lit up Clemson even. He had very good games against Penn State, Miami and Duke also. The guy has a lot of talent and people refuse to acknowledge it.

 

Allen has a lot of untapped potential too but he hasn't put it all together yet. I like both QBs. I wouldn't be mad with either starting but I think Peterman is better right now.

Edited August 18, 2018 by suorangefan4

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, suorangefan4 said:

 

So why are people making claims that Allen was so much better when that's not reality at all?

 

And let's judge on college then.

 

Peterman was better in college. He absolutely lit up Clemson even. The guy has a lot of talent and people refuse to acknowledge it.

 

Allen has a lot of untapped potential too but he hasn't put it all together yet. I like both QBs. I wouldn't be mad with either starting but I think Peterman is better right now.

 

Don't care.  

 

Compare for yourself just this one difference. 

[suorangefan4]

6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Don't care.  

 

Compare for yourself just this one difference. 

 

Josh Allen obviously has a stronger arm based on tests done. He has one of the strongest arms ever.

 

But those videos trying to show the differnece are a joke.

 

The one where Peterman is throwing the defender is only 3 yards away from the receiver when the ball is starting to be thrown. The defender is already moving forward in his break towards the ball too.

 

The one where Allen is throwing the defender is 5 yards away from the receiver when the ball is starting to be thrown. The defender is not moving forward in his break yet. He was moving backwards and needed to plant his feet before moving forward.

Edited August 18, 2018 by suorangefan4

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, suorangefan4 said:

 

Josh Allen obviously has a stronger arm based on tests done.

 

But those videos trying to show the differnece are a joke.

 

The one where Peterman is throwing the defender is only 3 yards away from the receiver when the ball is starting to be thrown. The defender is already moving forward in his break towards the ball too.

 

The one where Allen is throwing the defender is 5 yards away from the receiver when the ball is starting to be thrown. The defender is not moving forward in his break yet. He was moving backwards and needed to plant his feet before moving forward.

 

Peterman has continually shown a lack of arm strength to successfully throw out routes both this season and last.  He's even been susceptible to picks in practice as evidenced by this highlight.  

 

 

Make all of the excuses you'd like but this is a problem.

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

14 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said:

 

So why are people making claims that Allen was so much better when that's not reality at all?

 

And let's judge on college then.

 

Peterman was better in college. He absolutely lit up Clemson even. The guy has a lot of talent and people refuse to acknowledge it.

 

Allen has a lot of untapped potential too but he hasn't put it all together yet. I like both QBs. I wouldn't be mad with either starting but I think Peterman is better right now.

Because we are not looking at a boxscore.  We are watching the game and some of us can see he shows the traits that make QB's great.  His maneuvering in the pocket on the first TD was Bradyesque.

 

Again, I don't know how much you watched Allen in college but I watch a ton of college football and a ton of Allen after we drafted him.  Wyoming was a terrible, terrible team without Allen.  Claiming Peterman was better in college than Allen is one of the most clueless statements ever made on this board.  You want a college stat to show you how good Allen was:

 

Wyoming overall record the 3 season prior to Allen- 11-25

 

Wyoming record with Allen- 16-9

 

Allen missed two games last season and Wyoming lost them both.  One to Fresno St where they scored 7 points and another to the 2-11 powerhouse The San Jose State Spartans.  It is unbelievable how clueless people are.  Watch some college football sometime.  So much ignorance in your post.

 

Edited August 18, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12

[allpurpose]

McC was never going to lead you or the Bengals to the promised land. He was, after all an Alabama QB which for all intents and purposes is almost Cleveland when it comes to QBs.. The last truly successful QB from Alabama was Broadway Joe and that was awhile back before most football fans were even born although I'm old enough to remember him.. It appears Allen will get an initiation by fire now and god help him with Russell Bodine as the center.. RB is the embodiment of a turnstile that people going through don't even have to buy a ticket.. The only upside to Bodine is that he's pretty durable, but he'll give up on pressure more often than not. 
Well, good luck to the young man. I hope he does well except against the Bengals. 

Just for clarification, I'm a Bengals fan, but do enjoy discussing the game with fans of different teams..

[HappyDays]

19 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said:

 Allen had a 4.6 YPA last night. Peterman had 11.3.

 

Preseason stats are meaningless. Watch the plays. I'm as big on stats as anyone on this board, but you need legitimate sample sizes before they mean anything. There is nothing legitimate about 15 throws against a vanilla defense.

[Alphadawg7]

18 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said:

 

I'm going to respond for him.

 

Allen had a 4.6 YPA last night. Peterman had 11.3.

 

Buffalo fan logic 4.6 > 11.3.

 

Allen had 3 scoring drives last night? They started at the CLE 41 yard line on one of them and the BUF 44 yard line the other. They didn't exactly go real far those drives and got a field goal each time.

 

Peterman also had what would've been 3 scoring drives. The TD drive. Another where the backup kicker missed a field goal. And one where the game expired where Peterman took them from their own 33 yard line to the CLE 18 yard line.

 

 

This post only says and proves one thing...that you don’t understand preseason football and how to visually analyze a QB playing in one.  

[suorangefan4]

2 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

Because we are not looking at a boxscore.  We are watching the game and some of us can see he shows the traits that make QB's great.

 

Again, I don't know how much you watched Allen in college but I watch a ton of college football and a ton of Allen after we drafted him.  Wyoming was a terrible, terrible team without Allen.  Claiming Peterman was better in college than Allen is one of the most clueless statements ever made on this board.  You want a college stat to show you how good Allen was:

 

Wyoming overall record the 3 season prior to Allen- 11-25

 

Wyoming record with Allen- 16-9

 

Allen missed two games last season and Wyoming lost them both.  One to Fresno St whre they scored 7 points without Allen and another to the 2-11 powerhouse The San Jose State Spartans.  It is unbelievable how clueless people are.  Watch some college football sometime.  So much ignorance in your post.

 

 

I know Allen had a bad team at Wyoming. I've even made the same post in the past about it and even made a post about those games he didn't play against Fresno State and San Jose State.

 

Pitt also got considerably worse after Peterman left. They went from 8 wins to 5 wins.

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Peterman has continually shown a lack of arm strength to successfully throw out routes both this season and last.  He's even been susceptible to picks in practice as evidenced by this highlight.  

 

 

Make all of the excuses you'd like but this is a problem.

 

If I could give this post 1000 trophies and likes I would.  It’s mind boggling how some people don’t understand or fail to recognize what a problem this is.  And out route turnovers are the worst kind as they are susceptible to turning into defensive touchdowns or big returns at the very least.  

[Cheektowaga Chad]

8 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said:

 

Josh Allen obviously has a stronger arm based on tests done. He has one of the strongest arms ever.

 

But those videos trying to show the differnece are a joke.

 

The one where Peterman is throwing the defender is only 3 yards away from the receiver when the ball is starting to be thrown. The defender is already moving forward in his break towards the ball too.

 

The one where Allen is throwing the defender is 5 yards away from the receiver when the ball is starting to be thrown. The defender is not moving forward in his break yet. He was moving backwards and needed to plant his feet before moving forward.

You could also argue that the defender is closer to the wr's and break faster with peterman at qb because of the lack of arm strength or lack of respect to be beaten deep

[Dante]

14 hours ago, Clyde Smith said:

He's looking better than Baker. Baker is 2/4 for 0 yards lol.

I was talking to the son last night. I really like Baker. Bad luck for him that he is on the Browns. I feel bad for him his career will be screwed by that team. That entire organization is incompetent. 

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said:

 

I know Allen had a bad team at Wyoming. I've even made the same post in the past about it and even made a post about those games he didn't play against Fresno State and San Jose State.

 

Pitt also got considerably worse after Peterman left. They went from 8 wins to 5 wins.

 

Does any of this matter on August 18, 2018 with the Buffalo Bills facing a decision of which QB to start the season?  IMO it's a no. 

[BillsFan4]

3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

 

Some excellent quotes in that article. 

 

The guys already seem seem to believe in Josh Allen and gravitate toward him. 

I can totally see why, too. He really does seem to have a lot of energy and an infectious personality. 

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[allpurpose]

17 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said:

 

So why are people making claims that Allen was so much better when that's not reality at all?

 

And let's judge on college then.

 

Peterman was better in college. He absolutely lit up Clemson even. He had very good games against Penn State, Miami and Duke also. The guy has a lot of talent and people refuse to acknowledge it.

 

Allen has a lot of untapped potential too but he hasn't put it all together yet. I like both QBs. I wouldn't be mad with either starting but I think Peterman is better right now.

Comparing college performance to pro performance can be extremely misleading when you consider that nearly every NFL player (not all by any means) excelled at the college level and most did even better in high school, but once they reach the pro level they're not competing anymore with guys that will never play at any professional level. They're competing with other guys who also excelled in college and high school. 
College games are important, but they're not a great indicator of how well a player will fare at the NFL level. The NFL is generally comprised of the best college players from around the country. College teams are generally comprised of some of the best high school players and a lot of players who are just on the team to have fun.. Big difference.. 

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

11 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said:

 

I know Allen had a bad team at Wyoming. I've even made the same post in the past about it and even made a post about those games he didn't play against Fresno State and San Jose State.

 

Pitt also got considerably worse after Peterman left. They went from 8 wins to 5 wins.

Pittsburgh generally recruits decent and fields good teams.  Wyoming has had 5 winning seasons in the 18 years prior to Allen and the most they won was 8 games, while having a few seasons with just one or two wins.  The programs are not comparable.  What Allen was able to do with that team was remarkable.  Also that YPA stat you are throwing out is bull **** and anyone who watched the game knows why.  To me you can throw that stat out there but it makes it look even less like you know what you are talking about.

Edited August 18, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

My sentiments exactly.  Let the kid start next game.  He either wins the job or McD can safely go in another direction and let Allen sit a little longer.  In fact, he can still let Allen play most of the 4th preseason game too for more snaps to keep him progressing in case NP struggles in the early weeks of the season.

[suorangefan4]

Just now, allpurpose said:

Comparing college performance to pro performance can be extremely misleading when you consider that nearly every NFL player (not all by any means) excelled at the college level and most did even better in high school, but once they reach the pro level they're not competing anymore with guys that will never play at any professional level. They're competing with other guys who also excelled in college and high school. 
College games are important, but they're not a great indicator of how well a player will fare at the NFL level. The NFL is generally comprised of the best college players from around the country. College teams are generally comprised of some of the best high school players and a lot of players who are just on the team to have fun.. Big difference.. 

 

Ya think?

 

I'm just saying that Peterman was better in college and he's also been better this preseason.

 

The people saying Allen is clearly the best QB right now basically have no factual evidence to support that claim. I like Allen a lot too but Peterman is clearly ahead right now.

[nucci]

If McD was ok starting Peterman as a rookie last year on the road against SD, why wouldn't he be ok playing Allen...was Peterman's development ruined by playing him as a rookie?

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

1 minute ago, suorangefan4 said:

 

Ya think?

 

I'm just saying that Peterman was better in college and he's also been better this preseason.

 

The people saying Allen is clearly the best QB right now basically have no factual evidence to support that claim. I like Allen a lot too but Peterman is clearly ahead right now.

No he was not better in college or pre-season and I have already told you why.  Your stats are bull **** and I have told you why.  Ignore them if you want.

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said:

 

Ya think?

 

I'm just saying that Peterman was better in college and he's also been better this preseason.

 

The people saying Allen is clearly the best QB right now basically have no factual evidence to support that claim. I like Allen a lot too but Peterman is clearly ahead right now.

I dont see it. If you are looking at statistocs then maybe. But I'm looking at how Allen moves around the pocket , feels the pressure, keeps his eyes downfield and delivers a strike. Peterman has done nothing remotely close to the play Allen made on the goalline for the TD to Streater. That was an elite level play. That looked like Carson Wentz right there. Peterman doesn't have that play in his arsenal.

 

I'll take potential ups and downs with a rookie that has elite level ability and arm strength over a poor man's Chad Pennington all day.

Edited August 18, 2018 by matter2003

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

If McD was ok starting Peterman as a rookie last year on the road against SD, why wouldn't he be ok playing Allen...was Peterman's development ruined by playing him as a rookie?

 

 

...STILL think it was Dennison's "fine whine" because of his unwillingness/inability to work with TT that forced McD's hand....but the HC took the hit....an UNSUBSTANTIATED opinion.....

[suorangefan4]

Just now, matter2003 said:

I dont see it. If you are looking at statistocs then maybe. But I'm looking at how Allen moves around the pocket , feels the pressure, keeps his eyes downfield and delivers a strike. Peterman has done nothing remotely close to the play Allen made on the goalline for the TD to Streater. That was an elite level play. That looked like Carson Wentz right there. Peterman doesn't have that play in his arsenal.

 

What? 

 

Did you forget the play Peterman made last week when he escaped the rush, got outside the pocket and hit Benjamin along the sideline? That was an even tougher play than the one Allen made. He also made a nice play along the sideline last night under duress but was just a hair over the LOS when he threw it and got a penalty.

 

The throw Peterman made to O'Leary down the sideline was a perfectly thrown back shoulder throw. Not an easy throw at all.

 

Peterman is much better at escaping pressure than his naysayers are saying.

[Shaw66]

55 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said:

The thing you and  lot of other people don't see, I that defenses have to play differently when Allen is in the game. They have to respect his pocket presense and scrambling ability. They can't give a step on short throws because of how quick the ball gets there. And they certainly don't want to get beat deep. So if you don't understand it all yet, I will spell it out for you. Defenses have to play him straight up. That helps out the line as he doesn't get sacked often, making them look better than they are. His offensive weapons have more room to do their thing. Little things like better spacing and defenses can't load up the box. I can go on all day pointing out the intangibles Allen brings . If you don't get it yet you probably don't understand football at a very basic level.

This is a really important point that seems to have gotten lost in the comparisons to Peterman.   This is what we saw when Allen came on the field.   Everything got easier for the offense.

 

We hear this point made from time to time about running backs.   It's been made about Shady.   Run blocking is easier with a back who gets into and out of the whole quickly.   The linemen will tell you, I've heard it several times, that they just don't have to hold their blocks as long.   They know, in effect, that they can sell out to a move that is effective for the short-term, because that's all a good  ball carrier needs.   

 

We see it with Brady.   Why are those no name linemen always so good?   One reason is that they KNOW Brady is getting rid of the ball quickly.  Why?   Because he's a deadly short-range thrower, and their passing scheme is set up to have receivers open up quickly. 

 

And that is what we saw last night.   Drop back, look and throw - bang!, the balls to the receiver.   As the quoted language says, everything changes for the offense, because a QB with Allen's talents causes the defense to play in certain ways.   They have to respect the deep ball, because Allen can chuck it.  They have to respect the short ball, because if they play off the receiver, Allen will complete short balls all night long.  They have to respect the throws over the middle, because Allen doesn't need much of a window.   All of that makes the game easier for the receivers.   It makes the game easier for the offensive line - blitzing is dangerous, because blitzing leaves a hole somewhere, and Allen can throw the ball into any hole.   It makes the game easier for the running backs, because eight-in-the-box is a recipe for disaster with that arm.  Eight in the box means even Benjamin can get deep, let alone Jones and Coleman and Streeter and Holmes.   

 

It was apparent last night.   The whole game got easier when Allen came into the game. 

[Dante]

3 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

I dont see it. If you are looking at statistocs then maybe. But I'm looking at how Allen moves around the pocket , feels the pressure, keeps his eyes downfield and delivers a strike. Peterman has done nothing remotely close to the play Allen made on the goalline for the TD to Streater. That was an elite level play. That looked like Carson Wentz right there. Peterman doesn't have that play in his arsenal.

 

I'll take potential ups and downs with a rookie that has elite level ability and arm strength over a poor man's Chad Pennington all day.

4

I was impressed with the TD pass. Illustrates exactly what you are saying. If that were Tyrod he is running the ball in and he may have. I loved how Josh kept his eyes downfiled and found a guy to throw to. 

[Shaw66]

1 minute ago, suorangefan4 said:

 

What? 

 

Did you forget the play Peterman made last week when he escaped the rush, got outside the pocket and hit Benjamin along the sideline? That was an even tougher play than the one Allen made. He also made a nice play along the sideline last night under duress but was just a hair over the LOS when he threw it and got a penalty.

 

The throw Peterman made to O'Leary down the sideline was a perfectly thrown back shoulder throw. Not an easy throw at all.

 

Peterman is much better at escaping pressure than his naysayers are saying.

I thought Peteman's play last night was eye-opening.   He did a lot of good things.  

 

I'm usually a stats guy, and I distrust the eyeball test, so I'm way out of my comfort zone here, but I'll take what my eyes tell me about Allen over Peterman's obviously superior stats.   Why?   In part because of what I was saying about the game getting easier with Allen playing.  He's a better scrambler, a better thrower than Peterman.    Peterman looked to me like he always was on the edge of a disaster.  Allen looked like he was taking candy from a baby.   

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

This is a really important point that seems to have gotten lost in the comparisons to Peterman.   This is what we saw when Allen came on the field.   Everything got easier for the offense.

 

We hear this point made from time to time about running backs.   It's been made about Shady.   Run blocking is easier with a back who gets into and out of the whole quickly.   The linemen will tell you, I've heard it several times, that they just don't have to hold their blocks as long.   They know, in effect, that they can sell out to a move that is effective for the short-term, because that's all a good  ball carrier needs.   

 

We see it with Brady.   Why are those no name linemen always so good?   One reason is that they KNOW Brady is getting rid of the ball quickly.  Why?   Because he's a deadly short-range thrower, and their passing scheme is set up to have receivers open up quickly. 

 

And that is what we saw last night.   Drop back, look and throw - bang!, the balls to the receiver.   As the quoted language says, everything changes for the offense, because a QB with Allen's talents causes the defense to play in certain ways.   They have to respect the deep ball, because Allen can chuck it.  They have to respect the short ball, because if they play off the receiver, Allen will complete short balls all night long.  They have to respect the throws over the middle, because Allen doesn't need much of a window.   All of that makes the game easier for the receivers.   It makes the game easier for the offensive line - blitzing is dangerous, because blitzing leaves a hole somewhere, and Allen can throw the ball into any hole.   It makes the game easier for the running backs, because eight-in-the-box is a recipe for disaster with that arm.  Eight in the box means even Benjamin can get deep, let alone Jones and Coleman and Streeter and Holmes.   

 

It was apparent last night.   The whole game got easier when Allen came into the game. 

I'm still getting used to the ball travelling so fast downfield from Allen the cameraman only catches the tail end when the receiver is already catching the ball...going to be weird if he is in the regular season and you have to try and figure out what is happening because the cameraman is consistently a second or two late getting to where he needs to be...

[Shaw66]

3 minutes ago, Dante said:

I was impressed with the TD pass. Illustrates exactly what you are saying. If that were Tyrod he is running the ball in and he may have. I loved how Josh kept his eyes downfiled and found a guy to throw to. 

That's the kind of play Aaron Rodgers makes, and we're all agog.  

 

Put it together with the touchdown pass last week, a completely different play but a TD pass very few NFL QBs throw.   Two weeks, two truly big-time TD passes.

 

[Big Blitz]

Did anyone seriously think after his first 2 preseason games AJ was on track to start and even if he was that he's been as good or better than Peterman and Allen?  AJ to me has looked so...meh.

 

Let it come down to these last 3 weeks.  Actually, its probably going to be a decision made by next Sunday.  Whoever starts, so long as he plays well, is probably the week 1 starter.

 

My eyes are telling me Allen gives us the best chance to win.  This is going to be a fun week. 

 

Hoping for good news on Kyle!

Edited August 18, 2018 by Big Blitz

[Shaw66]

2 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

I'm still getting used to the ball travelling so fast downfield from Allen the cameraman only catches the tail end when the receiver is already catching the ball...going to be weird if he is in the regular season and you have to try and figure out what is happening because the cameraman is consistently a second or two late getting to where he needs to be...

I emailed a friend last night and said that Allen throwing looks like it's in a Disney cartoon.   The ball disappears out of his hand and seemingly instantly instantly appears in the receiver's hands.   The receivers seem already to be used to how quickly the ball gets there, and the defenders seem to have practically no time to react.   It IS weird. 

 

In comparison, it seems like you could mow the lawn while you're waiting for McCarron's and Peterman's throws to arrive.  

[allpurpose]

14 minutes ago, suorangefan4 said:

 

Ya think?

 

I'm just saying that Peterman was better in college and he's also been better this preseason.

 

The people saying Allen is clearly the best QB right now basically have no factual evidence to support that claim. I like Allen a lot too but Peterman is clearly ahead right now.

Yes, I do think...unlike many fans who see college games and automatically think a decent college player will make in the pro's..  Every year before the draft fans around the country clamor for certain college players who really have no business in the NFL..  It's just the way it goes.. 

[bobobonators]

To me so far Allen has been the best looking QB on the Bills, and I'm trying to be 100% objective and not just root for the kid b/c ideally I want to see him play. He clearly has the only real NFL arm on this team (and boy what an arm it is). But in addition, he has demonstrated pocket presence, an ability to scramble out of the pocket, an ability to move up in the pocket, and has looked pretty poised.