BuffaloBaumer Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 Welcome to Buffalo Mr. Bridgewater.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufridr101 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 The bills only have 11 million in cap space mack counts 13 million against the cap Jerry Hughes counts 10 million against the cap that doesn't free enough up for Oakland trent Murphy counts 5 million against the cap so maybe more likely also could be multiple team trade if the bills need to clear cap space now in order to give Mack a new contract this year which is what he wants then Jerry Hughes gotta go probably to a third party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 The second part of the OP's question about an extension is fine with me considering how much room the Bills will have in Cap space beginning next year. The issue is the 1st round pick. I know the Raiders want a significant return, but they're not in as much of a bargaining position as some may think. Mack has already shown he's willing to sit for at least the pre-season and with a new coach, that's important. Second, he's in his final year of his Rookie contract and according to Spotrac he's due over $13 million this year. That's a big nut to swallow for the Bills and an even bigger one for the Raiders if Mack shows up late or holds out all the way up to the regular season simply because he won't be ready for at least a few weeks, but they'd still have to pay him. Additionally, Mack will be 28 years old in 2019, meaning while he's still young enough to be great for years, it's not like he's going to be 26 where a 5 year deal puts him just over the 30 year old benchmark. That means, with new HC Gruden, there may be some reluctance to making that kind of commitment. Raiders' salary Cap situation isn't great, but with the Bills they could front-load that contract for the next three years and be out of the woods just after he turns 30, making it easier to move on from him if his play declines or if he suddenly becomes injury prone. All of that said, I don't see how the Raiders trade Mack unless his demands are astronomical or he simply refuses to play for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Rufridr101 said: The bills only have 11 million in cap space mack counts 13 million against the cap Jerry Hughes counts 10 million against the cap that doesn't free enough up for Oakland trent Murphy counts 5 million against the cap so maybe more likely also could be multiple team trade if the bills need to clear cap space now in order to give Mack a new contract this year which is what he wants then Jerry Hughes gotta go probably to a third party Dear God - PUNCTUATE! I'm thinking Shaq gets moved for a 6th/conditional 5th. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Dear God - PUNCTUATE! I'm thinking Shaq gets moved for a 6th/conditional 5th. That would be pretty close to the stupidity level of Cleveland trading Coleman for a 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufridr101 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 That 3rd team probably green bay coach our old defensive coordinator Mike petine is now in green bay Jerry Hughes had a great year in his defense probably getting a second rounder for him packaging that with next years 1st and player or players for mack probably working out extension for mack now 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 21 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: Beane is just probably going to announce that it is ladies night at the Monday night game. That seems like more of a Russ brandon move 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 10 hours ago, HappyDays said: Mack is a legit DPOY candidate this year. What percentage of top 10 draft picks can you say that about? If we could get him for just a 1st rounder and Hughes it's a no brainer (realistically it will cost more than that). I value draft picks as much as anyone but he is one of the best players in the entire league. You don't necessarily expect to draft a player of that caliber even with a top 5 pick. I totally agree, but you need to read my whole post. Is Mack worth a 1st Round Pick? Absolutely. But it's not JUST the 1st Round Pick. It's also the $20 million per year salary that he's looking for, which could easily be used on anywhere from 2-4 additional starting players. When you are in rebuilding mode, I'm not sure you can justify paying one player (outside of the QB) that much. Would you rather have Mack and a bunch of bums? Or would you rather have 4-5 solid starters all over the defense? Teams like New England have proven it's better to have a deep/balanced roster - because it allows more flexibility in game-planning and makes it easier to handle injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 29 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: The second part of the OP's question about an extension is fine with me considering how much room the Bills will have in Cap space beginning next year. The issue is the 1st round pick. I know the Raiders want a significant return, but they're not in as much of a bargaining position as some may think. Mack has already shown he's willing to sit for at least the pre-season and with a new coach, that's important. Second, he's in his final year of his Rookie contract and according to Spotrac he's due over $13 million this year. That's a big nut to swallow for the Bills and an even bigger one for the Raiders if Mack shows up late or holds out all the way up to the regular season simply because he won't be ready for at least a few weeks, but they'd still have to pay him. Additionally, Mack will be 28 years old in 2019, meaning while he's still young enough to be great for years, it's not like he's going to be 26 where a 5 year deal puts him just over the 30 year old benchmark. That means, with new HC Gruden, there may be some reluctance to making that kind of commitment. Raiders' salary Cap situation isn't great, but with the Bills they could front-load that contract for the next three years and be out of the woods just after he turns 30, making it easier to move on from him if his play declines or if he suddenly becomes injury prone. All of that said, I don't see how the Raiders trade Mack unless his demands are astronomical or he simply refuses to play for them. That’s the problem. He wants his contract structured in a way that it limits his CA taxes and he gets the bulk of his money once the team moves to Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 49 minutes ago, Rufridr101 said: I knew the story had merit on Tuesday when bill polian talked about the mack situation it sounded like he was talking directly to Terry pegula hinting that he needs to be patient just looking at the Oakland raiders salary cap tells me there's merit to the hype 33 minutes ago, Rufridr101 said: The bills only have 11 million in cap space mack counts 13 million against the cap Jerry Hughes counts 10 million against the cap that doesn't free enough up for Oakland trent Murphy counts 5 million against the cap so maybe more likely also could be multiple team trade if the bills need to clear cap space now in order to give Mack a new contract this year which is what he wants then Jerry Hughes gotta go probably to a third party 19 minutes ago, Rufridr101 said: That 3rd team probably green bay coach our old defensive coordinator Mike petine is now in green bay Jerry Hughes had a great year in his defense probably getting a second rounder for him packaging that with next years 1st and player or players for mack probably working out extension for mack now Whoa Nelly! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWRiley585 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 I am going to be interested to see if any starters play an extended amount of time tonight. If you remember Sammy Watkins caught 4 passes in the first preseason game against the Vikings last year and was traded over that weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 2 hours ago, joesixpack said: are we there yet? i want a pony I hate anyone who ever had a pony 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Rufridr101 said: The bills only have 11 million in cap space mack counts 13 million against the cap Jerry Hughes counts 10 million against the cap that doesn't free enough up for Oakland trent Murphy counts 5 million against the cap so maybe more likely also could be multiple team trade if the bills need to clear cap space now in order to give Mack a new contract this year which is what he wants then Jerry Hughes gotta go probably to a third party Both teams could easily do the trade. The Raiders have more than enough cap space to give Mack the extension once they release Donald Penn, they can easily afford Hughes in the same scenario. I honestly have no clue why the Raiders seem intent on alienating their best player by letting him hold out. They are stupid not to pay him this second. Edited August 9, 2018 by thenorthremembers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 minute ago, nucci said: I hate anyone who ever had a pony Even if the pony is Mack? Are we there yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 This is more exciting than the anticipation of seeing what was in Al Capone's vault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 22 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Whoa Nelly! He really needs to have his period... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 10 hours ago, JoeF said: Sunday it flew to Dunkirk from BUF. It has remained there. Probably dropping off Don. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/XSR960 Thanks. Been a tough AM, needed a good chuckle!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: This is more exciting than the anticipation of seeing what was in Al Capone's vault. It was syphilis, right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 I’m not reading through this whole thread. Has Beane announced the 2018 all-male dance troupe version of the Jills yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 53 minutes ago, Rufridr101 said: The bills only have 11 million in cap space mack counts 13 million against the cap Jerry Hughes counts 10 million against the cap that doesn't free enough up for Oakland trent Murphy counts 5 million against the cap so maybe more likely also could be multiple team trade if the bills need to clear cap space now in order to give Mack a new contract this year which is what he wants then Jerry Hughes gotta go probably to a third party I would love to have Mack,,,but if we get rid of Hughes, Murphy, and Shaq, who is starting at the other DE spot (Yarbrough?), And who is going to back them up? Our D-line runs in waves. That would be ok for the future, but we could be in trouble this season if we let all of those guys go. And are we even certain Astro's tweet is about Mack at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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