Paulus Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Capco said: Can someone explain to me why playing for 4-5 years under a rookie contract, getting paid according to your contract, and then hitting free agency to sign a new contract with a different team is considered "double dipping"? If I'm reading these responses right, it sounds like "offset language" is just a way for a team to take money back that they agreed to give a player for playing JUST because they won't re-sign with the team. Is that correct? Yeah, it seems like people here only think Darnold has something to lose, hahaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Shaw66 said: Culture. The Jets are saying "this is the way we do things." Darnold is saying "I don't want to do it your way. I want to do it my way." That's what I was saying about McBeane. They're immediately turned off when the player's behavior says "I don't want to do it your way." Just like Belichick is turned off. McBeane's view, and Belichick's, and apparently the Jets', is that the players must do it their way on things that are of fundamental importance. The difference between the cultures is, I'm guessing, that the Bills knew what they were getting with Allen and the Jets, apparently, didn't know what they were getting with Darnold. McBeane don't want a guy who puts himself ahead of the team. I find this post going a bit too far. Why doesn't the team put the team first and take any language the player doesn't like out of the contract? Everyone agrees it's very likely not to come into play - so why doesn't the team take the very small risk and get the player into camp to help the team and his development? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 minute ago, White Linen said: I find this post going a bit too far. Why doesn't the team put the team first and take any language the player doesn't like out of the contract? Everyone agrees it's very likely not to come into play - so why doesn't the team take the very small risk and get the player into camp to help the team and his development? Because an organization is run from the top down. Otherwise it's the inmates running the asylum. The leadership sets the standards, and the employees follow the standards. McBeane want guys who understand that. 39 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Darnold's absence has nothing to do with offset language according to Rapoport. Okay. It's about bonus language. If the bonus language the Jets are offering is more or less standard for the league, then I have the same problem with Darnold not signing. If the Jets are trying to get him to take language that other guys didn't have to take, then it's on the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 It’s a game within a game. If Sexton gets a deal with no offset language, he’ll use it as a recruiting tool in 2019 and beyond. It’s a feather in his cap that he can use to tell recruits (and their parents) that he can deliver, while (INSERT COMPETING AGENT HERE) cannot. Agents work in a cut-throat world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Foxx said: double dipping is fair? what other world do you get to double dip on your salary. Politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 56 minutes ago, Capco said: Can someone explain to me why playing for 4-5 years under a rookie contract, getting paid according to your contract, and then hitting free agency to sign a new contract with a different team is considered "double dipping"? If I'm reading these responses right, it sounds like "offset language" is just a way for a team to take money back that they agreed to give a player for playing JUST because they won't re-sign with the team. Is that correct? double dipping would be something like thus.... you sign a 4 year contract for 10mm, guaranteed. the team releases you after year 3 of said contract of which you are owed 2mm. whereby you go out and get signed by another team for that coming year for 1mm. without the offset language, the team who signed you to the original contract still is obligated to pay you that 2mm. so you collect that 2mm plus the 1mm from the team that just signed you. with the offset language, because you are supplementing your income via another team , they are now only obligated to pay you 1mm. 11 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Politics. touché 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Paulus said: Darnold is continuing the practice of ending a teams ridiculous control over player contracts, IMO. Just look at what the last CBA did for the players. It is not wrong to demand to be treated fairly. Wow - why would the team non control the contract? The players work for the team. When the players work for themselves, so be it. It is his right to hold out and the Jets right to not agree. The root cause is the CBA - clean it up there but neither side would want to make a concession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 We got the right guy for sure. Everything he is doing shows character. That with his physical tools will develop into as superstar. More coaching the position and he's ready game 8! Regardless of your take on things this is an exciting time to be a Bills fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said: We got the right guy for sure. Everything he is doing shows character. That with his physical tools will develop into as superstar. More coaching the position and he's ready game 8! Regardless of your take on things this is an exciting time to be a Bills fan! Long way to go before we can determine any of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 41 minutes ago, Foxx said: double dipping would be something like thus.... you sign a 4 year contract for 10mm, guaranteed. the team releases you after year 3 of said contract of which you are owed 2mm. whereby you go out and get signed by another team for that coming year for 1mm. without the offset language, the team who signed you to the original contract still is obligated to pay you that 2mm. so you collect that 2mm plus the 1mm from the team that just signed you. with the offset language, because you are supplementing your income via another team , they are now only obligated to pay you 1mm. I see now. Thank you for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Dalton said: Wow - why would the team non control the contract? The players work for the team. When the players work for themselves, so be it. It is his right to hold out and the Jets right to not agree. The root cause is the CBA - clean it up there but neither side would want to make a concession. Why would a team not control the contract? Why would an employee agree to something they don't want? Honestly, there are tons of reasons for both. Those reasons are evidenced by the fact that there are actually contract negotiations. 1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Politics. Contracts have liquid damages clauses in them all the time... Honestly, I am reserving judgment until the full story is revealed. I just get annoyed at all the fans who automatically take the team's side, especially when NFL players have arguably the worst CBA of the 4 major sports and is being the most violent of the 4 sports. Edited July 28, 2018 by Paulus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 It's been explained well enough here and elsewhere, there's no point repeating it. It's another sign we go the right QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Sexton is well established across the football world. Between the players and coaches he repped in the past and reps now, at this point, I don't think he needs prove himself in the same way other agents do. He's a heavy hitter in the agent world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 According to the LA Times Mayfield and Allen got their offset language. Have no idea why the Jets are refusing to do the same for Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, yungmack said: According to the LA Times Mayfield and Allen got their offset language. Have no idea why the Jets are refusing to do the same for Darnold. Darnold is actually refusing offset language. Jets want it in there. Allen and Mayfield have it, they wanted to get their deals done in time for camp so didn’t fight for leaving it out. 17 minutes ago, purple haze said: Sexton is well established across the football world. Between the players and coaches he repped in the past and reps now, at this point, I don't think he needs prove himself in the same way other agents do. He's a heavy hitter in the agent world. He is the one who orchestrated Marrone’s 4mill prize for quitting, and Rex’s 5 for 50 of which he only worked 2. Edited July 28, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 4 hours ago, Shaw66 said: Because an organization is run from the top down. Otherwise it's the inmates running the asylum. The leadership sets the standards, and the employees follow the standards. McBeane want guys who understand that. Okay. It's about bonus language. If the bonus language the Jets are offering is more or less standard for the league, then I have the same problem with Darnold not signing. If the Jets are trying to get him to take language that other guys didn't have to take, then it's on the Jets. Don't compare a work environment to prison - that's a completely different situation. What you're saying is about as anti-american as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Darnold is actually refusing offset language. Jets want it in there. Allen and Mayfield have it, they wanted to get their deals done in time for camp so didn’t fight for leaving it out. In the vid that 26 posted, Rappaport made it sound like the offset language isn't the problem. There's other language in there regarding the voiding of his guaranteed money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 minute ago, LeGOATski said: In the vid that 26 posted, Rappaport made it sound like the offset language isn't the problem. There's other language in there regarding the voiding of his guaranteed money. Ah .... interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: In the vid that 26 posted, Rappaport made it sound like the offset language isn't the problem. There's other language in there regarding the voiding of his guaranteed money. Interesting indeed. How about this......don’t do anything abhorrent that would void the guaranteed money. No free passes if you plan to become an embarrassment or a criminal. Doesn’t that sound easy? The rest of the players in the league can live with the standard language and expectations. I hope he’s the turd who will sit out all year to stand his ground. It makes me feel better about not getting my first choice! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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