Shaw66 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...it just woefully stinks as to how this game or the love for it has taken a back seat years ago....sure I understand that ALL Owners are BILLIONAIRES and the players want and deserve their fair share.....but go back to the day of your avitar BILLY SHAW, who took time off from his cement mixing job to come and play ball for the Bills at a whopping 18 grand a year......post game locker room was a beer and a cigarette.....and then the guy returned to his REAL job, eventually retiring at age 66 (FULL Social Security) because his NFL pension was loose change in the damn ash tray......seriously?......... There are plenty of guys who love the game. Does Kyle Williams care about the money? Tyrod Taylor? Plenty of them. They understand they're piling up more dough than any human being should ever expect, so what difference does a guarantee make, or an extra year, or whatever? They want to play football. The fact that Darnold is hung up on this says that there's a part of him that is about the money, when in fact the money, at his level, is irrelevant. McBeane don't like guys who can't see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 No Leverage. Instead making him look rather idiotic and an agent puppet. NFL Network (@nflnetwork) 7/27/18, 7:40 PM Ready to join his teammates at #NFLTrainingCamp? Sam Darnold wants a deal done. (via @MikeGarafolo) pic.twitter.com/5SbmFJoLjm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Augie said: He’s making a stink over THIS? He has a better chance of winning the lottery than being cut, or at least he should think so. ...would YOU sacrifice offset language based on this storied list of USC QB's and their prolific NFL careers? Sam Darnold Max Brown Cody Kessler Matt Barkley Mark Sanchez John David's Booty Matt "Hot Tub" Leinart Brad Otton (huh?) Rob Johnson (been there...done THAT) Todd Marinovich (a/k/a Puff Daddy) Sean Salisbury (steak medium rare please) ...I left out Carson Palmer and reluctantly Rodney Peete....but that's a pedigree list Waste Management would deny for curb side pickup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 31 minutes ago, Paulus said: The sword cuts both ways. By your own logic, and Bosa'so performance in SD, that envelope has been pushed... It has and the Jets are not trying to have it pushed any further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said: Just a question to those who know more about this than me. Darnold is holding out because he reportedly wants no offset language in his contract. Allen signed already, he accepted offset language in his contract. Obviously teams want offset provision, players (or agents) don't. Both Allen and Darnold have the same agent, Jimmy Sexton. Is this a case of the agent treating the two teams differently, or just Darnold being really stubborn? Theres usually a split in the top 5-10 where it goes from expectation to rarity. Darnold and allen, without digging in past contracts, are likely in opposite sides of that line. 42 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: If the Jets roll back their long standing offset policy now. You DONT think every player is going to demand no offsets. Never have been in to many negotiations have you. Future top 5 jet picks perhaps. Every player? Your in one of your spirals where you start with crazy talk instead of conceding nuance. 23 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...would YOU sacrifice offset language based on this storied list of USC QB's and their prolific NFL careers? Sam Darnold Max Brown Cody Kessler Matt Barkley Mark Sanchez John David's Booty Matt "Hot Tub" Leinart Brad Otton (huh?) Rob Johnson (been there...done THAT) Todd Marinovich (a/k/a Puff Daddy) Sean Salisbury (steak medium rare please) ...I left out Carson Palmer and reluctantly Rodney Peete....but that's a pedigree list Waste Management would deny for curb side pickup... For the third pick? Yea, probably. He’s pretty much guaranteed three years and if he crashes and burns so badly he’s cut before year 4 he isn’t getting much money elsewhere to offset that salary for the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Theres usually a split in the top 5-10 where it goes from expectation to rarity. Darnold and allen, without digging in past contracts, are likely in opposite sides of that line. Future top 5 jet picks perhaps. Every player? Your in one of your spirals where you start with crazy talk instead of conceding nuance. For the third pick? Yea, probably. He’s pretty much guaranteed three years and if he crashes and burns so badly he’s cut before year 4 he isn’t getting much money elsewhere to offset that salary for the season. ...pretty sure his entire salary is guaranteed (fop at least top10)...so removing offset language is gravy over and above guarantee if he signs a deal elsewhere after being cut (I think)...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 38 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...would YOU sacrifice offset language based on this storied list of USC QB's and their prolific NFL careers? Sam Darnold Max Brown Cody Kessler Matt Barkley Mark Sanchez John David's Booty Matt "Hot Tub" Leinart Brad Otton (huh?) Rob Johnson (been there...done THAT) Todd Marinovich (a/k/a Puff Daddy) Sean Salisbury (steak medium rare please) ...I left out Carson Palmer and reluctantly Rodney Peete....but that's a pedigree list Waste Management would deny for curb side pickup... This kind of thing is where I dig my heals in. If I’m the Jets I do NOT set this precedent. Let us know when you’re ready to report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 I love how we’re arguing about this instead of just being happy that it’s happening to the Jests. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...pretty sure his entire salary is guaranteed (fop at least top10)...so removing offset language is gravy over and above guarantee if he signs a deal elsewhere after being cut (I think)...... Offset language allows the Jets not to pay him a portion equivalent to what someone else would pay that year. bar napkin ridiculous example: if his year 4 salary was 10m and he’s cut and given a 1m deal elsewhere jets only owe him 9m if there’s an offset clause. So he’d only make the 10, not 11 as he would if he got this language pulled. much like the amount guaranteed scales, offset language is more normal high, and less likely as you fall down the board Edited July 28, 2018 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: It has and the Jets are not trying to have it pushed any further Darnold is continuing the practice of ending a teams ridiculous control over player contracts, IMO. Just look at what the last CBA did for the players. It is not wrong to demand to be treated fairly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: It hurts ability to Double Dip I'm not sure how excited I would be about signing a player who seemed concerned that he'd be cut before the end of his rookie deal. Not traded, cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: I love how we’re arguing about this instead of just being happy that it’s happening to the Jests. I AM enjoying that it's happening to the Jets. Maybe they got a self-centered, spoiled (pray tell, not from USC!) kid who's play will forever be limited because he doesn't want to get his hair mussed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Paulus said: Darnold is continuing the practice of ending a teams ridiculous control over player contracts, IMO. Just look at what the last CBA did for the players. It is not wrong to demand to be treated fairly. treated fairly? millions for playing a kids game. double dipping is fair? what other world do you get to double dip on your salary. did i suddenly transport to htraE and am now living a bizaro existence? Edited July 28, 2018 by Foxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Hes Missing such important time over such a trivial contract clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 3 hours ago, matter2003 said: I think holding out for offsets when you are the 3rd overall pick is a little ridiculous...the chances of them cutting you before the end of your rookie contract as a QB especially are almost none. It also doesn't say much for your ability to perform. It's like Sam already has doubts and he's trying to get some insurance in case he busts and is released. Not a resounding testament to ones confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Darnold's absence has nothing to do with offset language according to Rapoport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 52 minutes ago, Paulus said: Darnold is continuing the practice of ending a teams ridiculous control over player contracts, IMO. Just look at what the last CBA did for the players. It is not wrong to demand to be treated fairly. I'm not taking either side I'm just saying the teams want to hold on to as much power as they can. Out of all the sports, the NFL has always tried to hold as much power over the players as possible and is very reluctant to give them anything other than scraps at the bargaining table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 3 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Think it more has to to with past USC QB sucess (or lack there of). Also add into what Jets gave up to get him (think they have leverage). And add the inability of the hets to develop a QB. Either way Darnold only hurting himself over language thay is never going to actually be used. No team is gonna cut a QB taken in the top 5 before year 4. Jet fans blamin Sexton. However the Agent works for the player. Not the other way around. I don't think it has anything to do with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 2 hours ago, matter2003 said: It has and the Jets are not trying to have it pushed any further And, just how far has Darnold'so envelope been pushed? Or, does he not get an envelope? 1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said: I'm not sure how excited I would be about signing a player who seemed concerned that he'd be cut before the end of his rookie deal. Not traded, cut. Or, about a team that gave up so much to draft said player... 21 minutes ago, matter2003 said: I'm not taking either side I'm just saying the teams want to hold on to as much power as they can. Out of all the sports, the NFL has always tried to hold as much power over the players as possible and is very reluctant to give them anything other than scraps at the bargaining table Yeah, I agree. I do think Darnold has leverage based on not just Bosa and Darnold being a QB drafted at #3, but how much draft capital the Jets paid to get him. 35 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Hes Missing such important time over such a trivial contract clause. Yeah, the Jets really don't care about winning or their new "franchise qb," do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 37 minutes ago, Foxx said: double dipping is fair? what other world do you get to double dip on your salary. Can someone explain to me why playing for 4-5 years under a rookie contract, getting paid according to your contract, and then hitting free agency to sign a new contract with a different team is considered "double dipping"? If I'm reading these responses right, it sounds like "offset language" is just a way for a team to take money back that they agreed to give a player for playing JUST because they won't re-sign with the team. Is that correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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