Reggie Ragland story

[YoloinOhio]

Thought this was a good read considering he’s a former Bill

 

 

From the minute I first met him, there was just kind of this aura around him,” McCloy, who had pictures of Reggie from high school on the wall of the entry way of his gym, explained. “His abilities were always significantly different than his peers—call it God’s plan, call it destiny—something along those lines, but I think his potential is limitless.

“I don’t think we’ve seen even close to the best version of what he’s capable of putting out there. He’s a next-level type of guy and I just think as he learns how to be a pro, gets integrated more in the Kansas City system, we’re going to see more and more of that come out.”[/quote{

[Chandler#81]

..tick.. tick.. tick..

[stuvian]

why would coach process bail on a character guy like this?

[Sky Diver]

Great story. Thanks for posting. He’s definitely one of the good guys.

Edited July 20, 2018 by Sky Diver

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, stuvian said:

why would coach process bail on a character guy like this?

 

Not a fit for the 4-3.

[BillsFan4]

Reggie seems like a great kid. I hope he has a successful career in K.C. 

 

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Not a fit for the 4-3.

 

Yes, I do think that was a major part of it - recovering an asset for a player who didn’t fit the scheme. 

 

 

But I also think that they wanted to give this kid a real chance at having a successful NFL career somewhere that he is a fit, maybe in part because of what a high character guy he is. 

 

IIRC Beane may have mentioned something along those lines in an interview. 

I don’t remember the exact quote, and I don’t know if it was in reference to the Ragland trade, but he said something about how sometimes a trade is also about giving that player a chance to be successful too. 

 

 

 

 

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

Reggie seems like a great kid. I hope he has a successful career in K.C. 

 

Yes, I do think that was a major part of it - recovering an asset for a player who didn’t fit the scheme. 

 

 

But I also think that they wanted to give this kid a real chance at having a successful NFL career somewhere that he is a fit, maybe in part because of what a high character guy he is. 

 

IIRC Beane may have mentioned something along those lines in an interview. 

I don’t remember the exact quote, and I don’t know if it was in reference to the Ragland trade, but he said something about how sometimes a trade is also about giving that player a chance to be successful too.

 

Maybe.  But I'd bet that only teams that ran the 3-4 were interested in him.

[John from Riverside]

Had we stayed in a 3/4 I think this guy could have made a career in Buffalo

 

but.....

 

Now we have Tremaine Edmunds so

[H2o]

I always liked Ragland. I still think he's going to be a good LB in this league. In our system I don't know if he was athletic enough. As a 3-4 ILB though? I think he's going to be solid at the least. 

[Mr. WEO]

8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Had we stayed in a 3/4 I think this guy could have made a career in Buffalo

 

but.....

 

Now we have Tremaine Edmunds so

 

 

Exactly.  And Edmunds will be an actual day 1 starter.

[Buftex]

I must say his (non) career in Buffalo is one of the biggest disappointments for me, over the last 5 years or so.  I was really excited about seeing this kid play in Buffalo.

[3rdand12]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Not a fit for the 4-3.

stubborn old Mcdermott.
I have brought this up before in the " fitting the players to the scheme vs fitting scheme to the players "
it did not go well for me if i recall.
Sean does Sean it seems.

 aint nuthin wrong with that

 i guess. 

1 hour ago, Sky Diver said:

Great story. Thanks for posting. He’s definitely one of the good guys.

Agreed good story and agreed thanks to Yolo !

[NoSaint]

59 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Maybe.  But I'd bet that only teams that ran the 3-4 were interested in him.

 

Or a schwartz style 43 scheme where mlb is a run stuffer instead of sideline to sideline

[3rdand12]

36 minutes ago, Buftex said:

I must say his (non) career in Buffalo is one of the biggest disappointments for me, over the last 5 years or so.  I was really excited about seeing this kid play in Buffalo.

Me too. Great instinct. Moving to the ball before it was snapped made up for his semi slow recorded open field speed.
Thought he would be a much better and more dominant Preston Brown.

if you ever watched Spikes closely, he would be moving to the play before any one else when he was on his game. slow as hell. but stacked and shed quickly because he read the play so well. Ragland is the modern level of that upgraded.But sure as heck no Lukely
oh well.

44 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Exactly.  And Edmunds will be an actual day 1 starter.

the only reason Reggie would not have been under Rex was his injury ?

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Or a schwartz style 43 scheme where mlb is a run stuffer instead of sideline to sideline

point well taken.

[Aussie Joe]

They paid too high a price to draft him ( a 2nd and two fourths) and then gave him away too cheap...

 

That is a typical Buffalo Bills story...

[Doc]

29 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

stubborn old Mcdermott.
I have brought this up before in the " fitting the players to the scheme vs fitting scheme to the players "
it did not go well for me if i recall.
Sean does Sean it seems.

 aint nuthin wrong with that

 i guess.

 

I won't argue with the results of last season.

 

23 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Or a schwartz style 43 scheme where mlb is a run stuffer instead of sideline to sideline

 

Perhaps, but I suspect McD saw enough of him to believe it wouldn't work out.  It would have been just as easy to keep him as ship him out.

[BillsFan4]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Maybe.  But I'd bet that only teams that ran the 3-4 were interested in him.

Yeah, for sure. 

 

He’s definitely a specific scheme fit type of player. 

[3rdand12]

18 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I won't argue with the results of last season.

 

 

Perhaps, but I suspect McD saw enough of him to believe it wouldn't work out.  It would have been just as easy to keep him as ship him out.

the thing that irked me? he was nearly free money. Even if he only played two downs.

 McD did not play the business side as well as i might have hoped. he is too much a straight shooter with blinders on. Build up Raglands value for one year or so as two down LB and see how it plays out. run a darned hybrid 3-4 !

 did anyone notice Bills could NOT stop the run game at times last year ?

20 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

Yeah, for sure. 

 

He’s definitely a specific scheme fit type of player. 

he is a thumper +

 how much plus ?  Bills never looked into. seemingly

[NoSaint]

19 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I won't argue with the results of last season.

 

 

Perhaps, but I suspect McD saw enough of him to believe it wouldn't work out.  It would have been just as easy to keep him as ship him out.

 

Well, yea, which is why I made the distinction between different 43 schemes and did not say he would’ve been successful here.

 

that said, for the low compensation we got- id say I’d keep him on a rookie deal as depth. But not losing sleep.

[Mr. WEO]

46 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Me too. Great instinct. Moving to the ball before it was snapped made up for his semi slow recorded open field speed.
Thought he would be a much better and more dominant Preston Brown.

if you ever watched Spikes closely, he would be moving to the play before any one else when he was on his game. slow as hell. but stacked and shed quickly because he read the play so well. Ragland is the modern level of that upgraded.But sure as heck no Lukely
oh well.

the only reason Reggie would not have been under Rex was his injury ?

point well taken.

 

 

Who knows.  The point is the Edmunds is a far better pick than Ragland---who is still struggling to "get there".

 

 

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

the thing that irked me? he was nearly free money. Even if he only played two downs.

 McD did not play the business side as well as i might have hoped. he is too much a straight shooter with blinders on. Build up Raglands value for one year or so as two down LB and see how it plays out. run a darned hybrid 3-4 !

 did anyone notice Bills could NOT stop the run game at times last year ?

 

Yeah, but that was mostly after Dareus was traded.  And the Chefs allowed the same YPR as the Bills last year.

[3rdand12]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Who knows.  The point is the Edmunds is a far better pick than Ragland---who is still struggling to "get there".

 

 

is that actually the point. we have little to go on , with the T. Edmunds as a pro as we had little to derive from Ragland's preseason, which there was none. or nearly none. lol

 I had assumed his trade was based upon keen insight into his injury and Bills were lucky to trade him, at the time. now it appears it was purely scheme fit. I have to question that if McD is to become a Coach who reaps the wheat from the chaff

[Sky Diver]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Who knows.  The point is the Edmunds is a far better pick than Ragland---who is still struggling to "get there".

 

 

 

Not sure how much he is “struggling”. He played in 12 games and started 10. He really came on the last few games. I’m surprised the Bills couldn’t find a role for him.

[3rdand12]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, but that was mostly after Dareus was traded.  And the Chefs allowed the same YPR as the Bills last year.

I tend to think it was more than that Doc. But certainly Ragland was not the answer . Brown was always serviceable IMO.

 Humber ?

[Sky Diver]

10 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, but that was mostly after Dareus was traded.  And the Chefs allowed the same YPR as the Bills last year.

 

The Chiefs signed a free agent inside LB to bolster the run defense. 

[3rdand12]

Just now, Sky Diver said:

 

Not sure how much he is “struggling”. He played in 12 games and started 10. He really came on the last few games. I’m surprised the Bills couldn’t find a role for him.

Edmunds is a generational pick if all goes as planned. Unique physique. and all the tangibles to develop . i would not compare the two.
I wonder how they might look together this year in a the 3-4 style. Even Brown was traded for capital. he certainly was working hard. if he had a better line ??

edit I was surprised as well. along with other surprises. such as Robert Woods

[Doc]

The Bills aren't made for a 3-4.  That was Rex's biggest mistake.  And I don't think he would have unseated Brown at MLB, much less any of the OLB's.  It's possible he played poorly in the 4-3 and not even recouped the 5th rounder they got.  But we'll never know. 

[Sky Diver]

8 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Edmunds is a generational pick if all goes as planned. Unique physique. and all the tangibles to develop . i would not compare the two.
I wonder how they might look together this year in a the 3-4 style. Even Brown was traded for capital. he certainly was working hard. if he had a better line ??

 

I never compared Ragland with Edmunds. That would be foolish. Just challenging that Ragland is struggling. He played very well at the end of the year as he fully healed from the knee injury. His coverage skills may be underrated too.

Edited July 21, 2018 by Sky Diver

[3rdand12]

41 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, but that was mostly after Dareus was traded.  And the Chefs allowed the same YPR as the Bills last year.

it may be true. but it may have been that McD defensive tactics were not sound

26 minutes ago, Doc said:

The Bills aren't made for a 3-4.  That was Rex's biggest mistake.  And I don't think he would have unseated Brown at MLB, much less any of the OLB's.  It's possible he played poorly in the 4-3 and not even recouped the 5th rounder they got.  But we'll never know. 

we talked about moving Brown to strong side.
but you are correct, just conjecture and hindsight at this point : )

27 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I never compared Ragland with Edmunds. That would be foolish. Just challenging that Ragland is struggling. He played very well at the end of the year as he fully healed from the knee injury. His coverage skills may be underrated too.

my apologies 

[Sky Diver]

No worries.

[oldmanfan]

He couldn't break out if third string status when with us.  Scheme, health, whatever - he just didn't earn a spot so they traded him.  Wish him well.

[Sky Diver]

4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

He couldn't break out if third string status when with us.  Scheme, health, whatever - he just didn't earn a spot so they traded him.  Wish him well.

 

The Chiefs are pretty high on him.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000927855/article/chiefs-gm-brett-veach-reggie-ragland-can-be-a-star%3FnetworkId%3D4595%26site%3D.news%26zone%3Dstory%26zoneUrl%3Durl%3Dstory%26zoneKeys%3Ds1%3Dstory%26env%3D%26pageKeyValues%3Dprtnr%3Daround-the-league%3Bteam%3Dkc%3Bteam%3Dbuf%3Bconf%3Dafc%3Bdvsn%3Dacw%3Bdvsn%3Dace%3Bplyr%3Dreginald_ragland%3Bplyr%3Dpatrick_mahomes%3Bplyr%3Danthony_hitchens%26p.ct%3DAround%2Bthe%2BNFL%26p.adsm%3Dfalse%26p.tcm%3D%23fff%26p.bgc1m%3D%230964bf%26p.bgc2m%3D%23053a74%26sr%3Damp

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

it may be true. but it may have been that McD defensive tactics were not sound

we talked about moving Brown to strong side.
but you are correct, just conjecture and hindsight at this point : )

 

We can play "what if" until the cows come home.  All I/we know is how the season turned out and I for one wouldn't change a thing about it.  And I was happy with the way the off-season went and if they got their franchise QB in Allen, they killed it.

[oldmanfan]

10 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

The Chiefs are pretty high on him.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000927855/article/chiefs-gm-brett-veach-reggie-ragland-can-be-a-star%3FnetworkId%3D4595%26site%3D.news%26zone%3Dstory%26zoneUrl%3Durl%3Dstory%26zoneKeys%3Ds1%3Dstory%26env%3D%26pageKeyValues%3Dprtnr%3Daround-the-league%3Bteam%3Dkc%3Bteam%3Dbuf%3Bconf%3Dafc%3Bdvsn%3Dacw%3Bdvsn%3Dace%3Bplyr%3Dreginald_ragland%3Bplyr%3Dpatrick_mahomes%3Bplyr%3Danthony_hitchens%26p.ct%3DAround%2Bthe%2BNFL%26p.adsm%3Dfalse%26p.tcm%3D%23fff%26p.bgc1m%3D%230964bf%26p.bgc2m%3D%23053a74%26sr%3Damp

I hope it works out for him.  He just didn't show much here for whatever reason.  So they moved him.  

[3rdand12]

20 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

He couldn't break out if third string status when with us.  Scheme, health, whatever - he just didn't earn a spot so they traded him.  Wish him well.

he never played a down? he was injured

[Sky Diver]

1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said:

he never played a down? he was injured

 

KC sat him until the 5th game to give him time to recover from his knee injury. We had no patience.

[3rdand12]

14 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

We can play "what if" until the cows come home.  All I/we know is how the season turned out and I for one wouldn't change a thing about it.  And I was happy with the way the off-season went and if they got their franchise QB in Allen, they killed it.

no argument there.

i am not really a what if type anyways.

 

we are what we are

 I am what i ams and that's all that i ams 

 

 Says Popeye the Sailor Man toot toot !  

1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

KC sat him until the 5th game to give him time to recover from his knee injury. We had no patience.

I did not know that. Perhaps that was the main reason why he was let go.

 Availability is a mantra these days at OBD.

[Bing Bong]

2 hours ago, NoSaint said:

 

Or a schwartz style 43 scheme where mlb is a run stuffer instead of sideline to sideline

Brandon spikes role

[Beast]

2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

They paid too high a price to draft him ( a 2nd and two fourths) and then gave him away too cheap...

 

That is a typical Buffalo Bills story...

 

So, you are saying they should have kept him even though he didn’t fit the scheme?

 

Interesting.

[Sky Diver]

9 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Brandon spikes role

 

No. He can be a 3 down player in the right scheme.