Bills Seahawks parallel

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just thought about this comparison this morning.  When Seattle made the playoffs in 2010 with a 7-9 team, everyone basically stated that they were the worst playoff team ever etc. and buffalo drew some comparisons to that when they made it last year despite being outscored, and blown out in several games.

 

Now looking at the roster's, and how the teams were assembled I see even more that we're trying to build something similar.  Buffalo is building a strong secondary, stopping the run, and making it hard for opposing offenses to score and move the ball.  The offense is obviously a work in progress, but outside of Doug Baldwin who was drafted in 2011 - Seattle has never really had a particularly strong group of receivers, and built their offense around a strong running and PA game.

 

I know in 2012, no one expected the Seahawks to have the best defense in the league - or to start a run of 6 straight playoff appearances.  Personally I don't think 2018 is the year (Rookie QB, Oline transition, young roster), but 2019 very well could be the year where Buffalo can actually make some serious noise in the AFC.  

[Cornette's Commentary]

2 minutes ago, dneveu said:

Just thought about this comparison this morning.  When Seattle made the playoffs in 2010 with a 7-9 team, everyone basically stated that they were the worst playoff team ever etc. and buffalo drew some comparisons to that when they made it last year despite being outscored, and blown out in several games.

 

Now looking at the roster's, and how the teams were assembled I see even more that we're trying to build something similar.  Buffalo is building a strong secondary, stopping the run, and making it hard for opposing offenses to score and move the ball.  The offense is obviously a work in progress, but outside of Doug Baldwin who was drafted in 2011 - Seattle has never really had a particularly strong group of receivers, and built their offense around a strong running and PA game.

 

I know in 2012, no one expected the Seahawks to have the best defense in the league - or to start a run of 6 straight playoff appearances.  Personally I don't think 2018 is the year (Rookie QB, Oline transition, young roster), but 2019 very well could be the year where Buffalo can actually make some serious noise in the AFC.  

Won't happen, so long as Brady and Roethlisberger are still playing.

[Seasons1992]

I'll take any decently-thought-out platforms at this time of year.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, Cornette's Commentary said:

Won't happen, so long as Brady and Roethlisberger are still playing.

 

I guess - thats only a couple games a year though - and they're being assembled as a team to stop teams like that.  Bell won't be a steeler in 2019, and big ben's successor was drafted after his like 3rd straight season of saying he might retire.  Brady probably has what - 3 years left including this one?  I wouldn't put it past him to go further, but all it takes is one hit for his mind to change.  

The last 2 non-patriots/steelers super bowl reps were baltimore and denver.  Both of which were built around defense, specifically having a secondary that can stop high powered passing attacks.

[billspro]

If Josh Allen is great we will be great as well.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, billspro said:

If Josh Allen is great we will be great as well.

 

Thats fair - but if he's serviceable - we may still be good.

[Gugny]

11 minutes ago, dneveu said:

Just thought about this comparison this morning.  When Seattle made the playoffs in 2010 with a 7-9 team, everyone basically stated that they were the worst playoff team ever etc. and buffalo drew some comparisons to that when they made it last year despite being outscored, and blown out in several games.

 

Now looking at the roster's, and how the teams were assembled I see even more that we're trying to build something similar.  Buffalo is building a strong secondary, stopping the run, and making it hard for opposing offenses to score and move the ball.  The offense is obviously a work in progress, but outside of Doug Baldwin who was drafted in 2011 - Seattle has never really had a particularly strong group of receivers, and built their offense around a strong running and PA game.

 

I know in 2012, no one expected the Seahawks to have the best defense in the league - or to start a run of 6 straight playoff appearances.  Personally I don't think 2018 is the year (Rookie QB, Oline transition, young roster), but 2019 very well could be the year where Buffalo can actually make some serious noise in the AFC.  

 

I think this has been Beane's plan, all along.

 

But I think that Seattle team was more, "the best 7-9 team," than it was, "the worst playoff team."  Leaps and bounds better than last year's Bills, IMO.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

The BIG IF is if Josh Allen can play like Russel Wilson did and put up solid numbers without turning the football over. Seattle also had a  good O-Line and the key players they had on all levels of that defense were top 5 talent. If Allen plays well as a rookie starter I could see a comparison being made to Seattle.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I think this has been Beane's plan, all along.

 

But I think that Seattle team was more, "the best 7-9 team," than it was, "the worst playoff team."  Leaps and bounds better than last year's Bills, IMO.

 

Seattle was actually better in 2011 than 2010, but the division was terrible in 2010. 

 

In 2010 - They were outscored by 97 points

28th on O, 27th on D in yards

23rd on O, 25th on D in points

31st rushing attack 19th passing from a yardage perspective, and had 20 INTs.  

 

Actually a couple parallels though. 

Both Buffalo and Seattle had new HCs and GMs.

Both had borderline starter QBs with bad supporting casts. And both teams dumped their borderline starter after the year.  

 

[mschifano]

24 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

Won't happen, so long as Brady and Roethlisberger are still playing.

Time will catch up to both players. As the bills add more talent to the roster and are more balanced they will definitely be a challenge for the pats. All this is contingent on progression of Allen.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, mschifano said:

Time will catch up to both players. As the bills add more talent to the roster and are more balanced they will definitely be a challenge for the pats. All this is contingent on progression of Allen.

 

Oh I would definitely agree.  Turnovers kill a defensive team more than anyone else.  Seattle had the strong run game with lynch to lean on when they were developing Wilson too.

[Gugny]

11 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Seattle was actually better in 2011 than 2010, but the division was terrible in 2010. 

 

In 2010 - They were outscored by 97 points

28th on O, 27th on D in yards

23rd on O, 25th on D in points

31st rushing attack 19th passing from a yardage perspective, and had 20 INTs.  

 

Actually a couple parallels though. 

Both Buffalo and Seattle had new HCs and GMs.

Both had borderline starter QBs with bad supporting casts. And both teams dumped their borderline starter after the year.  

 

 

Holy cow, you're absolutely right.  I just looked at the scores of their losses in 2010 and they got their asses handed to them in - literally - every single loss.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

5 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Holy cow, you're absolutely right.  I just looked at the scores of their losses in 2010 and they got their asses handed to them in - literally - every single loss.

 

Right?  They gave up 30+ 10 times in 18 games.  Pretty lousy team.  

 

They did draft their LT replacement, and added a tandem of future all-pro safeties in one draft.  As well as thurmond who was an important piece during their SB run.  Tate was also picked, but he never fit great in seattle and has been great with Jim bob and Stafford in detroit.

Edited July 19, 2018 by dneveu

[Gugny]

Just now, dneveu said:

 

Right?  They gave up 30+ 10 times in 18 games.

 

Saints fans must still be pissed about losing that playoff game.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

Saints fans must still be pissed about losing that playoff game.

 

Especially because it was in Seattle....

[ProcessAccepted]

46 minutes ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

Won't happen, so long as Brady and Roethlisberger are still playing.

 

Couldn't disagree with you more. That attitude is exactly what has held up back for almost 2 decades. It's what Coach McD is systematically changing.

 

For evidence that you're argument is wrong look at what our D was doing at the end of the 2014 season to top tier guys like Rodgers (before the U-turn with Rex). These players are human and experience emotion and doubt just like the rest of us. A stout defense can bring out the mistakes in any player or team.

[Cornette's Commentary]

5 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

 

Couldn't disagree with you more. That attitude is exactly what has held up back for almost 2 decades. It's what Coach McD is systematically changing.

 

For evidence that you're argument is wrong look at what our D was doing at the end of the 2014 season to top tier guys like Rodgers (before the U-turn with Rex). These players are human and experience emotion and doubt just like the rest of us. A stout defense can bring out the mistakes in any player or team.

The Bills won that game for two reasons: 1.) Rodgers grossly overthrew what would have been an easy 70+ yard TD reception to Jordy Nelson  2.) JC Tretter couldn't block Mario Williams on that strip-sack play.

Edited July 19, 2018 by Cornette's Commentary

[SoTier]

3 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

 

Couldn't disagree with you more. That attitude is exactly what has held up back for almost 2 decades. It's what Coach McD is systematically changing.

 

For evidence that you're argument is wrong look at what our D was doing at the end of the 2014 season to top tier guys like Rodgers (before the U-turn with Rex). These players are human and experience emotion and doubt just like the rest of us. A stout defense can bring out the mistakes in any player or team.

 

What bull manure!  It's not the fans' fault that the Bills have sucked for about 35 of their 58 years of existence.  That's on the owners and their minions in the FO since 1960.  They're the ones that hired all the crappy and mediocre coaches and players.

[ProcessAccepted]

1 minute ago, Cornette's Commentary said:

The Bills won that game for two reasons: 1.) Rodgers grossly overthrew what would have been an easy 70+ yard TD reception to Jordy Nelson  2.) JC Tretter couldn't block Mario Williams on that strip-sack play.

 

I completely agree. Rodgers became human because our d got to him and rattled him.
 

I was pointing out the fallacy in the previous posters argument when they said we will never win as long as Brady and Big Ben are playing

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

What bull manure!  It's not the fans' fault that the Bills have sucked for about 35 of their 58 years of existence.  That's on the owners and their minions in the FO since 1960.  They're the ones that hired all the crappy and mediocre coaches and players.

 

I didn't say it was the fans, I said it was that thought process. To use a quote from Conor McGregor, "Winners focus on winning, Losers focus on winners"

 

Brady and Big Ben are beatable, especially if you believe that you can beat them. 

[87168]

2 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

 

I completely agree. Rodgers became human because our d got to him and rattled him.
 

I was pointing out the fallacy in the previous posters argument when they said we will never win as long as Brady and Big Ben are playing

well...we haven't yet. your optimism is appreciated, but until we're out of the doldrums, the fact remains.

 

this year's wild card appearance was a nice boost, but I don't think many people are expecting a better team this year (I could be wrong).

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, ProcessAccepted said:

 

I completely agree. Rodgers became human because our d got to him and rattled him.
 

I was pointing out the fallacy in the previous posters argument when they said we will never win as long as Brady and Big Ben are playing

 

Beating teams with great Qbs comes down to competing on every play.  Don't give them the freebees on first down, stop their run game, and put them in harder to convert 3rd down situations.   

[ProcessAccepted]

1 minute ago, dneveu said:

 

Beating teams with great Qbs comes down to competing on every play.  Don't give them the freebees on first down, stop their run game, and put them in harder to convert 3rd down situations.   

 

Agreed though I'd add one important ingredient - turnovers. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

7 minutes ago, 87168 said:

well...we haven't yet. your optimism is appreciated, but until we're out of the doldrums, the fact remains.

 

this year's wild card appearance was a nice boost, but I don't think many people are expecting a better team this year (I could be wrong).

 

I personally expect 7-9 with some surprises and some disappointments.  

[BuffaloHokie13]

19 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

I was pointing out the fallacy in the previous posters argument when they said we will never win as long as Brady and Big Ben are playing

I suppose it depends on your definition of 'serious noise in the AFC'. In the last 15 Super Bowls, the AFC QB was Brady x7, Peyton x4, Big Ben x3, and Flacco once.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I suppose it depends on your definition of 'serious noise in the AFC'. In the last 15 Super Bowls, the AFC QB was Brady x7, Peyton x4, Big Ben x3, and Flacco once.

 

1's retired, 1's 40 years old, big ben is held together with tape, and flacco kinda stinks.  It's anyone's guess who will be amazing from the next crop - or if it will be more of an even playing field after 3 HOFers retire.  

 

Rodgers is a top 5 QB in the NFL, and theyre a super bowl contender every year - he only has 1 ring though.  

[GunnerBill]

58 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Right?  They gave up 30+ 10 times in 18 games.  Pretty lousy team.  

 

They did draft their LT replacement, and added a tandem of future all-pro safeties in one draft.  As well as thurmond who was an important piece during their SB run.  Tate was also picked, but he never fit great in seattle and has been great with Jim bob and Stafford in detroit.

 

Tate fit great in Russell's wife allegedly. That is why he was allowed to walk. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

5 minutes ago, dneveu said:

1's retired, 1's 40 years old, big ben is held together with tape, and flacco kinda stinks.  It's anyone's guess who will be amazing from the next crop - or if it will be more of an even playing field after 3 HOFers retire.  

 

Rodgers is a top 5 QB in the NFL, and theyre a super bowl contender every year - he only has 1 ring though.  

Doesn't change the fact that the last 15 years have had parity in only 1 of the conferences.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, dneveu said:

Just thought about this comparison this morning.  When Seattle made the playoffs in 2010 with a 7-9 team, everyone basically stated that they were the worst playoff team ever etc. and buffalo drew some comparisons to that when they made it last year despite being outscored, and blown out in several games.

 

Now looking at the roster's, and how the teams were assembled I see even more that we're trying to build something similar.  Buffalo is building a strong secondary, stopping the run, and making it hard for opposing offenses to score and move the ball.  The offense is obviously a work in progress, but outside of Doug Baldwin who was drafted in 2011 - Seattle has never really had a particularly strong group of receivers, and built their offense around a strong running and PA game.

 

I know in 2012, no one expected the Seahawks to have the best defense in the league - or to start a run of 6 straight playoff appearances.  Personally I don't think 2018 is the year (Rookie QB, Oline transition, young roster), but 2019 very well could be the year where Buffalo can actually make some serious noise in the AFC.  

 

Interesting thought. You could even carry this along further...

 

the seattle defense was great because cause they had a good zone scheme and loaded up with talent that fit perfectly particularly at secondary and MLB and up front 

 

At QB, they replaced their ‘playoff vet’ Charlie Whitehurst with an offseason vet ‘upgrade’ Matt Flynn.  They then took Russell Wilson in the draft as a long term project- he turned out to be an upgrade over the upgrade and won the starting job as a rookie. 

 

Let’s hope the parallels keep going. 

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Tate fit great in Russell's wife allegedly. That is why he was allowed to walk. 

?

[Fadingpain]

1 hour ago, dneveu said:

Just thought about this comparison this morning.  When Seattle made the playoffs in 2010 with a 7-9 team, everyone basically stated that they were the worst playoff team ever etc. and buffalo drew some comparisons to that when they made it last year despite being outscored, and blown out in several games.

 

Now looking at the roster's, and how the teams were assembled I see even more that we're trying to build something similar.  Buffalo is building a strong secondary, stopping the run, and making it hard for opposing offenses to score and move the ball.  The offense is obviously a work in progress, but outside of Doug Baldwin who was drafted in 2011 - Seattle has never really had a particularly strong group of receivers, and built their offense around a strong running and PA game.

 

I know in 2012, no one expected the Seahawks to have the best defense in the league - or to start a run of 6 straight playoff appearances.  Personally I don't think 2018 is the year (Rookie QB, Oline transition, young roster), but 2019 very well could be the year where Buffalo can actually make some serious noise in the AFC.  

Don't make this more complicated than it needs to be.

 

Our success or lack thereof this season (and beyond) will depend entirely on the development/success of Josh Allen.

 

Everything else is a distraction.

 

 

[ProcessAccepted]

21 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I suppose it depends on your definition of 'serious noise in the AFC'. In the last 15 Super Bowls, the AFC QB was Brady x7, Peyton x4, Big Ben x3, and Flacco once.

 

Thanks for the history lesson ? but let's just look at last year. Blake Bortle beat the Bills in FL before going into PA and beating Big Ben and then losing to Brady by 4 in MA. 

 

My point is that looking back 15 years just tells us that these guys are getting older and that the guard is changing. Maybe Brady from 10 years ago beats the Eagles but the one from last year certainly lost to their backup QB. 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

Don't make this more complicated than it needs to be.

 

Our success or lack thereof this season (and beyond) will depend entirely on the development/success of Josh Allen.

 

Everything else is a distraction.

 

 

 

Allen is a critical piece no doubt, but increased pass rush and sacks plus stopping the run will take some of the pressure off the rookie. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

13 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

Don't make this more complicated than it needs to be.

 

Our success or lack thereof this season (and beyond) will depend entirely on the development/success of Josh Allen.

 

Everything else is a distraction.

 

 

 

Fair - just saying building a strong defense first will help the team be in every game and make his job easier.

[stuvian]

giving up Marshawn Lynch for a bag of chips didn't hurt their development either

 

PS as you can tell I'm not over it

[Ol Dirty B]

11 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said:

 

Couldn't disagree with you more. That attitude is exactly what has held up back for almost 2 decades. It's what Coach McD is systematically changing.

 

For evidence that you're argument is wrong look at what our D was doing at the end of the 2014 season to top tier guys like Rodgers (before the U-turn with Rex). These players are human and experience emotion and doubt just like the rest of us. A stout defense can bring out the mistakes in any player or team.

 

Your post is so homerific, and just wrong. The attitude of a fan saying that about Brady and Rothlisberger has no impact on the team, and I've never seen a professional player on the Bills display it.

 

Brady has just owned the Bills, like the rest of the league despite their best efforts. They've tried it all, blitzing, sitting back in zone, building a team to get pressure with just the front four.

 

The organization has never displayed that attitude, and because of that McDermott hasn't done any of what you said. He also hasn't looked like he has any clue of how to beat them.

 

Just an all round head in the clouds clueless post.

11 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said:

 

I completely agree. Rodgers became human because our d got to him and rattled him.
 

I was pointing out the fallacy in the previous posters argument when they said we will never win as long as Brady and Big Ben are playing

 

I didn't say it was the fans, I said it was that thought process. To use a quote from Conor McGregor, "Winners focus on winning, Losers focus on winners"

 

Brady and Big Ben are beatable, especially if you believe that you can beat them. 

 

My god your posts are dreadful. Do you think a poster on the message board expressing doubt that the Bills can beat Brady has anything with the team believing it?

 

 

[John from Riverside]

The jags beat the steeler's in last year's playoffs.....

 

Big Ben played

 

Just sayin

[ProcessAccepted]

9 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Your post is so homerific, and just wrong. The attitude of a fan saying that about Brady and Rothlisberger has no impact on the team, and I've never seen a professional player on the Bills display it.

 

Brady has just owned the Bills, like the rest of the league despite their best efforts. They've tried it all, blitzing, sitting back in zone, building a team to get pressure with just the front four.

 

The organization has never displayed that attitude, and because of that McDermott hasn't done any of what you said. He also hasn't looked like he has any clue of how to beat them.

 

Just an all round head in the clouds clueless post.

 

My god your posts are dreadful. Do you think a poster on the message board expressing doubt that the Bills can beat Brady has anything with the team believing it?

 

 

 

Clearly you've never played sports at any kind of competitive level. On the off chance that you have I really hope if wasn't a team sport coz that would suck or your teammates.

[GunnerBill]

10 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

Brady has just owned the Bills, like the rest of the league despite their best efforts. They've tried it all, blitzing, sitting back in zone, building a team to get pressure with just the front four.

 

When that 2014 front four was really motoring it had Brady befuddled in that season ender.  I know it was a dead rubber and the Pats subbed Brady at HT but they were getting to him and rattling him.  If we had stuck with that approach and not gone to Rex freaking Ryan we might have had more success in the years that followed.  To me the Bills look as though they don't believe that they can beat Brady. Strategy is one thing (I have always thought you have to beat him with 4 and pressure up the middle) but unless you believe it then as soon as he starts bringing his team back you will fold.   

[Cornette's Commentary]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

When that 2014 front four was really motoring it had Brady befuddled in that season ender.  I know it was a dead rubber and the Pats subbed Brady at HT but they were getting to him and rattling him.  If we had stuck with that approach and not gone to Rex freaking Ryan we might have had more success in the years that followed.  To me the Bills look as though they don't believe that they can beat Brady. Strategy is one thing (I have always thought you have to beat him with 4 and pressure up the middle) but unless you believe it then as soon as he starts bringing his team back you will fold.   

Because they can't.

[Augie]

21 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said:

 

Agreed though I'd add one important ingredient - turnovers. 

 

I’d add one more important ingredient - have a great QB of your own!   

[Captain Murica]

On 7/19/2018 at 1:53 PM, Cornette's Commentary said:

The Bills won that game for two reasons: 1.) Rodgers grossly overthrew what would have been an easy 70+ yard TD reception to Jordy Nelson  2.) JC Tretter couldn't block Mario Williams on that strip-sack play.

Pretty sure Jordy Nelson just dropped it. But, you can also say Gilmore dropped a pick 6 earlier in that game as well. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 20, 2018 by Captain Murica