LeviF Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 16 minutes ago, nkreed said: I feel there will be great debate over my thoughts that the Republican Party moved more conservative and Democrats stayed closer to center. Some of you know my political stance, but I'm attempting to not allow that to bias my observations. Hell, I'll double down. The Republican party hasn't gone far enough. Everything the Democrats fight for in the name of "progress," the Republicans end up fighting to conserve 10-20 years later. No more. A large portion of American people are sick and tired of being betrayed by those who would call themselves our betters. Unfettered mass immigration, social programs designed to be handcuffs rather than help, kissing the boots of corporations and calling it the "free market," bending over on every social issue from trannies to abortion to guns in the name of "bipartisanship," etc. etc. Enough is enough. A reactionary movement is long overdue. Trump has demonstrated this by his election alone. Also, your notion that the Democrats haven't moved further to the left is incredibly silly. Imagine your average 2018 Democrat waking up in 1980 suddenly. How far to the left of the average person are they? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 21 minutes ago, nkreed said: As much as many of the Right in this forum think that "walking away" was moving from left to right, I believe that the walk away movement is actually moving further left. The Democrats, and Republicans for many years, were mostly centrist parties. This is why the government worked for a while. There would be working together and creating bipartisan bills. The Republicans party had to cater to the extremism of the Tea Party to continue it's existence (I believe), pushing it further Right, while the Democrats did not take the progressive platforms of the Occupy and Bernie movements(see presidential election 2008, presidential primary, Dem chair nominee, etc.). I feel there will be great debate over my thoughts that the Republican Party moved more conservative and Democrats stayed closer to center. Some of you know my political stance, but I'm attempting to not allow that to bias my observations. Just curious, did you read any of the posts on the # walkaway or watch the video, or pay attention to any of the recent events? I find it hard to believe you came to that conclusion if you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: Just curious, did you read any of the posts on the # walkaway or watch the video, or pay attention to any of the recent events? I find it hard to believe you came to that conclusion if you did. he was on with Tucker Carlson for a brief chat last night, a bit of a surprise to hear what he meant by it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, GG said: Actually no. The Democratic Party has lurched to the left, and that's why people are walking away. How much further to the left of socialism can you get? Communism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 minute ago, row_33 said: he was on with Tucker Carlson for a brief chat last night, a bit of a surprise to hear what he meant by it all Ill have to listen to that in a bit, I cut the cord on cable so listen to him online at work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: Ill have to listen to that in a bit, I cut the cord on cable so listen to him online at work a thoughtful chap, i just caught the interview randomly between innings of the Yankees game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Virginia is walking away from the GOP Most voters are! When Trump loses in 2020 it will be funny to see the cult implode in an orgasim of self pity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 12 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Virginia is walking away from the GOP Most voters are! When Trump loses in 2020 it will be funny to see the cult implode in an orgasim of self pity an orgasim? do you have a thought that doesn't involved sexual filth? You need to repent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: an orgasim? do you have a thought that doesn't involved sexual filth? You need to repent. You are so upset and hysterical, so I'll let that go. Poor little snow flake, or really, just flake. When Trump is indicted, will you cry? 1 minute ago, ALF said: Walmart boycott campaign launched after outcry over 'Impeach 45' clothing Walmart has found itself on the receiving end of a torrent of outrage after it was discovered Monday that the superstore was selling anti-Trump “Impeach 45” apparel on its website. The outcry sparked a #BoycottWalmart trend on Twitter as users expressed their distaste for the chain promoting the impeachment of President Trump, echoing some Congressional Democrats. http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2018/07/03/walmart-boycott-campaign-launches-after-outcry-over-impeach-45-clothing.html Ha ha! Snowflakes heads exploding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 2 hours ago, GG said: Actually no. The Democratic Party has lurched to the left, and that's why people are walking away. How much further to the left of socialism can you get? Double Secret Socialism? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nkreed Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said: Just curious, did you read any of the posts on the # walkaway or watch the video, or pay attention to any of the recent events? I find it hard to believe you came to that conclusion if you did. I read the initial article which continuously mixed left and Democratic party as if they were the exact same thing. Claiming that the party is one of hate and segregation is different than claiming the ideology is that way. The ideas that the initial article point to conflict at great length with the basis of progressivism or *gasp* socialism. The party on the other hand is still closer to center, so it is unsurprising that the ideals of a person who supports a platform left of center would not want to be a part of it. These are my observations. Hey we all view things differently. As to the other recent events, I don't have cable, not do I watch the American news. Will I take some of the journalism that has been put out there with a grain of salt, yes, yes I will. (We could possibly even say that if it's trumpeted on this forum, it comes from a conservative news source). In that part of this I am deficient, but my understanding is that #walkaway is about the party. I must state again, the party does NOT encapsulate all the views of the left. I find myself telling people this a lot. Just like the Republicans do not encapsulate all of the views of the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, nkreed said: I read the initial article which continuously mixed left and Democratic party as if they were the exact same thing. Claiming that the party is one of hate and segregation is different than claiming the ideology is that way. The ideas that the initial article point to conflict at great length with the basis of progressivism or *gasp* socialism. The party on the other hand is still closer to center, so it is unsurprising that the ideals of a person who supports a platform left of center would not want to be a part of it. These are my observations. Hey we all view things differently. As to the other recent events, I don't have cable, not do I watch the American news. Will I take some of the journalism that has been put out there with a grain of salt, yes, yes I will. (We could possibly even say that if it's trumpeted on this forum, it comes from a conservative news source). In that part of this I am deficient, but my understanding is that #walkaway is about the party. I must state again, the party does NOT encapsulate all the views of the left. I find myself telling people this a lot. Just like the Republicans do not encapsulate all of the views of the right. there has to be something redeemable in the Democratic Party, it's certainly not showing up when the TV cameras let the leaders goof off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, nkreed said: I read the initial article which continuously mixed left and Democratic party as if they were the exact same thing. Claiming that the party is one of hate and segregation is different than claiming the ideology is that way. The ideas that the initial article point to conflict at great length with the basis of progressivism or *gasp* socialism. The party on the other hand is still closer to center, so it is unsurprising that the ideals of a person who supports a platform left of center would not want to be a part of it. These are my observations. Hey we all view things differently. As to the other recent events, I don't have cable, not do I watch the American news. Will I take some of the journalism that has been put out there with a grain of salt, yes, yes I will. (We could possibly even say that if it's trumpeted on this forum, it comes from a conservative news source). In that part of this I am deficient, but my understanding is that #walkaway is about the party. I must state again, the party does NOT encapsulate all the views of the left. I find myself telling people this a lot. Just like the Republicans do not encapsulate all of the views of the right. The founder of the movement has categorically said he's walking away from being a LIBERAL. Not a Democrat. A LIBERAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 3, 2018 Author Share Posted July 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, nkreed said: I read the initial article which continuously mixed left and Democratic party as if they were the exact same thing. Claiming that the party is one of hate and segregation is different than claiming the ideology is that way. The ideas that the initial article point to conflict at great length with the basis of progressivism or *gasp* socialism. The party on the other hand is still closer to center, so it is unsurprising that the ideals of a person who supports a platform left of center would not want to be a part of it. These are my observations. Hey we all view things differently. As to the other recent events, I don't have cable, not do I watch the American news. Will I take some of the journalism that has been put out there with a grain of salt, yes, yes I will. (We could possibly even say that if it's trumpeted on this forum, it comes from a conservative news source). In that part of this I am deficient, but my understanding is that #walkaway is about the party. I must state again, the party does NOT encapsulate all the views of the left. I find myself telling people this a lot. Just like the Republicans do not encapsulate all of the views of the right. Of course it doesn't encapsulate all views on the left... just those of the party's leadership: ...Which is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 3 hours ago, LeviF91 said: Hell, I'll double down. The Republican party hasn't gone far enough. Everything the Democrats fight for in the name of "progress," the Republicans end up fighting to conserve 10-20 years later. No more. A large portion of American people are sick and tired of being betrayed by those who would call themselves our betters. Unfettered mass immigration, social programs designed to be handcuffs rather than help, kissing the boots of corporations and calling it the "free market," bending over on every social issue from trannies to abortion to guns in the name of "bipartisanship," etc. etc. Enough is enough. A reactionary movement is long overdue. Trump has demonstrated this by his election alone. Also, your notion that the Democrats haven't moved further to the left is incredibly silly. Imagine your average 2018 Democrat waking up in 1980 suddenly. How far to the left of the average person are they? Levi, I challenge you to justify this average person statement. Just like I won't be able to justify that the average person is more liberal than you believe, you won't justify your belief that an average person is conservative. It is a matter of viewpoint at this juncture. If the large mass you speak of are privileged people of any color, I can understand that. It's just that those people are the majority anymore. It's not people that have made this country more difficult to have a decent life in. It's politics and the two party system forcing you into making a choice. Until this is seen we will never move forward. Hey I agree with many of your statements but I still believe that Democrats have stayed closer to the center than is believed. Imagine looking at the political ideologies on a line, with the center directly in the middle of the screen. Place the Dems at the extreme left and Repubs extreme right. Now move the Repubs right on that line what happens? The center moves left, even though it doesn't move at all. I think this is what has happened with the identity of center. It seems further to the left when you move right. 19 minutes ago, joesixpack said: The founder of the movement has categorically said he's walking away from being a LIBERAL. Not a Democrat. A LIBERAL. Not in the initial story. That is the basis of this. It consistently mixed liberal with Democrat, they are not one in the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, nkreed said: Not in the initial story. That is the basis of this. It consistently mixed liberal with Democrat, they are not one in the same. Watch the dude's video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Of course it doesn't encapsulate all views on the left... just those of the party's leadership: ...Which is the problem. How is this a problem? Just because some people won some primaries? And "she represents the future of our party" Without further context of that statement we don't know if it was an age, a politics or a lack of money statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 why bother paying attention to what the man actually said about the movement? they can't bother to give 90 seconds to learn anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Watch the dude's video. Come on Joe. You and I both will agree that the people who have jumped on board most likely don't know the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 3, 2018 Author Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 minute ago, nkreed said: How is this a problem? Just because some people won some primaries? And "she represents the future of our party" Without further context of that statement we don't know if it was an age, a politics or a lack of money statement. The context is her platform. Which is socialist. Not liberal. Not Progressive. Avowed socialist. That's a problem for your argument that the party is centrist - the leadership is pushing the party well to the left. Majority of Americans, including democrats, are not socialist and realize socialism is INCOMPATIBLE with our constitution. #WalkAway isn't about saying all democrats are socialists. It's about democrats realizing their party has abandoned not only their centrist roots, but the country itself. It's a big loser in November. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 21 minutes ago, nkreed said: I read the initial article which continuously mixed left and Democratic party as if they were the exact same thing. Claiming that the party is one of hate and segregation is different than claiming the ideology is that way. The ideas that the initial article point to conflict at great length with the basis of progressivism or *gasp* socialism. The party on the other hand is still closer to center, so it is unsurprising that the ideals of a person who supports a platform left of center would not want to be a part of it. These are my observations. Hey we all view things differently. As to the other recent events, I don't have cable, not do I watch the American news. Will I take some of the journalism that has been put out there with a grain of salt, yes, yes I will. (We could possibly even say that if it's trumpeted on this forum, it comes from a conservative news source). In that part of this I am deficient, but my understanding is that #walkaway is about the party. I must state again, the party does NOT encapsulate all the views of the left. I find myself telling people this a lot. Just like the Republicans do not encapsulate all of the views of the right. the two parties are nothing more than two wings of the same bird of prey. it is the bird in the middle one must keep their eye on, for you are the prey. the two wings are only meant to keep the bird aloft. when is the last time they actually represented the will of their constituency? the bird of prey has a plan and you are mere chattel that affords their means to an end. the more they can divide you up into little fractions of the same divide, the better for them. they are quite aware that if there was a united populace they wouldn't stand a chance. isn't the Donald proof that it doesn't matter who wants what? the machine just keeps churning away. best not to get caught up in it, else you'll get chewed up and spit out. the best option is to just let them continue doing whatever they think they are doing and just create the kind of system we all want outside of their elitist idiom. one day the (m)asses will awake to understand what is really going on here. all the better to have something in place for them to turn to when that arises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: The context is her platform. Which is socialist. Not liberal. Not Progressive. Avowed socialist. That's a problem for your argument that the party is centrist - the leadership is pushing the party well to the left. Majority of Americans, including democrats, are not socialist and realize socialism is INCOMPATIBLE with our constitution. #WalkAway isn't about saying all democrats are socialists. It's about democrats realizing their party has abandoned not only their centrist roots, but the country itself. It's a big loser in November. You know that Democratic socialism is different from socialism. But why not make the real arguement? Because it kills your point that it's not okay with our constitution. I fully disagree that the Democratic socialist agenda is a loser overall. Hell we employ a ton of the ideals already but will not acknowledge that we benefit from them. (Roads, Police, Schools, etc.). This is the same arguement that had been made in the past, and we certainly aren't going to fix it in a forum. 8 minutes ago, row_33 said: why bother paying attention to what the man actually said about the movement? they can't bother to give 90 seconds to learn anything The initial 7 tweets used to justify the movement in this thread all DIRECTLY point to the Democratic party, not liberalism. Just because the founder is saying that HE is leaving for a different reason does not translate down to the masses who are leaving the PARTY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: The context is her platform. Which is socitalist. Not liberal. Not Progressive. Avowed socialist. That's a problem for your argument that the party is centrist - the leadership is pushing the party well to the left. Majority of Americans, including democrats, are not socialist and realize socialism is INCOMPATIBLE with our constitution. #WalkAway isn't about saying all democrats are socialists. It's about democrats realizing their party has abandoned not only their centrist roots, but the country itself. It's a big loser in November. And here's to hoping that it's a loser for the Democrats in November, because if it isn't, then we all lose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, Foxx said: the two parties are nothing more than two wings of the same bird of prey. it is the bird in the middle one must keep their eye on, for you are the prey. the two wings are only meant to keep the bird aloft. when is the last time they actually represented the will of their constituency? the bird of prey has a plan and you are mere chattel that affords their means to an end. the more they can divide you up into little fractions of the same divide, the better for them. they are quite aware that if there was a united populace they wouldn't stand a chance. isn't the Donald proof that it doesn't matter who wants what? the machine just keeps churning away. best not to get caught up in it, else you'll get chewed up and spit out. the best option is to just let them continue doing whatever they think they are doing and just create the kind of system we all want outside of their elitist idiom. one day the (m)asses will awake to understand what is really going on here. all the better to have something in place for them to turn to when that arises. Foxx, this is the best representation of the political spectrum we live in. I understand that, but many do not. It's why I will talk about the ideologies and not which party I belong to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 3, 2018 Author Share Posted July 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, nkreed said: You know that Democratic socialism is different from socialism. But why not make the real arguement? Because it kills your point that it's not okay with our constitution. They're not advocating for democratic socialism. They're advocating for socialism. 5 minutes ago, nkreed said: I fully disagree that the Democratic socialist agenda is a loser overall. Hell we employ a ton of the ideals already but will not acknowledge that we benefit from them. (Roads, Police, Schools, etc.). It's not democratic socialism. It's socialism. Bernie Sanders wasn't a democratic socialist, he ran on a socialist platform - and should have won the nomination if it wasn't tilted against him. NYC elected who they did because she was a socialist, and they rejected the centrist moderate by an astounding percentage (despite low turnout). 6 minutes ago, nkreed said: This is the same arguement that had been made in the past, and we certainly aren't going to fix it in a forum. It's not the same argument. It's different. This is a different strain of socialism and progressivism (which is really prog-fascism). You're not being honest about what's happening. Harris is going to be the DNC front runner for 2020 - and she's advocating for open borders, abolishing ICE, and Sanctuary states not just cities. That's not a centrist platform. That's not a democratic socialist platform. 6 minutes ago, Taro T said: And here's to hoping that it's a loser for the Democrats in November, because if it isn't, then we all lose. It's going to be a disaster for them in November. It already is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, nkreed said: You know that Democratic socialism is different from socialism. But why not make the real arguement? Because it kills your point that it's not okay with our constitution. I fully disagree that the Democratic socialist agenda is a loser overall. Hell we employ a ton of the ideals already but will not acknowledge that we benefit from them. (Roads, Police, Schools, etc.). This is the same arguement that had been made in the past, and we certainly aren't going to fix it in a forum. The initial 7 tweets used to justify the movement in this thread all DIRECTLY point to the Democratic party, not liberalism. Just because the founder is saying that HE is leaving for a different reason does not translate down to the masses who are leaving the PARTY. Utter horsecrap. There's no distinction between socialism and democratic socialism. The only practical difference would be that the next elected parties would decide on how to pilfer private resources. Socialism is evil, pure and simple, because it stifles humanity under a false pretense of equality. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 3, 2018 Author Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 minute ago, GG said: Utter horsecrap. There's no distinction between socialism and democratic socialism. The only practical difference would be that the next elected parties would decide on how to pilfer private resources. Socialism is evil, pure and simple, because it stifles humanity under a false pretense of equality. "Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude." Alexis de Tocqueville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, GG said: Utter horsecrap. There's no distinction between socialism and democratic socialism. The only practical difference would be that the next elected parties would decide on how to pilfer private resources. Socialism is evil, pure and simple, because it stifles humanity under a false pretense of equality. The same can be said of capitalism too, pure and evil. Only those who have money win. That's why we need to meet in the middle, and Democratic socialism, as you say doesn't exist, is socialism's differ of moving to the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 3, 2018 Author Share Posted July 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, nkreed said: The same can be said of capitalism too, pure and evil. Only those who have money win. That's why we need to meet in the middle, and Democratic socialism, as you say doesn't exist, is socialism's differ of moving to the middle. It's a mirage. A dream. Not reality. As we have seen play out in real time for the past 50 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 55 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Of course it doesn't encapsulate all views on the left... just those of the party's leadership: ...Which is the problem. Maybe not the problem. You can buy a lot of votes with the promise of free stuff and outside of free stuff, what have they got right now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, nkreed said: The same can be said of capitalism too, pure and evil. Only those who have money win. That's why we need to meet in the middle, and Democratic socialism, as you say doesn't exist, is socialism's differ of moving to the middle. That's a very uninformed take of the differences between capitalism and socialism. If you truly believe that, please point to where living standards are better in a socialist society than they are in a capitalist society 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 minute ago, keepthefaith said: Maybe not the problem. You can buy a lot of votes with the promise of free stuff and outside of free stuff, what have they got right now? well, they have been wanting to take my stuff to give to those with no stuff for a long time now, does that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, nkreed said: The same can be said of capitalism too, pure and evil. Only those who have money win. That's why we need to meet in the middle, and Democratic socialism, as you say doesn't exist, is socialism's differ of moving to the middle. We are set set up as a higher risk higher reward society. It's deliberately so. It's not those with money that necessarily win, it's those that make the effort to win who end up with money. You could take all the country's money and divide it evenly among all citizens and in a couple years the same people who were rich before will be rich again and the poor will again be poor. Happiness is not guaranteed, only the pursuit of such and unfortunately the majority of Americans don't make the most of their opportunity through no fault of others or fault of the government. Edited July 3, 2018 by keepthefaith 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, nkreed said: The same can be said of capitalism too, pure and evil. Only those who have money win. That's why we need to meet in the middle, and Democratic socialism, as you say doesn't exist, is socialism's differ of moving to the middle. No, capitalism isn't "evil". Capitalism is, quite literally, the philosophy of human freedom taken from the abstract, and put into action. It is predicated on the notion of individuals entering into voluntary exchanges with one another; forced by law to provide goods and services for others in order to sustain one's self, prevented by law from seizing the assets of others or having others seize their assets, without completely voluntary contractual agreement; all predicated on the notions of absolute self-ownership and the protection of property rights. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B-Man Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Instapundit.com @instapundit Socialism is the Axe Body Spray of political ideologies: It never does what it claims to do, but people too young to know better keep buying it anyway. Thomas Sowell @ThomasSowell "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." 9:49 AM - Jul 3, 2018 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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