#WalkAway

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Boyst62 said:

I'd rather go to a vet than a doctor. Doctors are generally !@#$ing retarded.

As I recall you've dated a doctor or two before and now you say you'd rather have a vet? Is it just like after midnight that you yearn for a vet? Does this vet always have to have long rubber gloves on?

[DC Tom]

17 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 White Millennials Are Leaving the Democratic Party as ‘Walk Away’ Campaign Picks Up Steam. “Young whites are evenly divided between GOP and Dems, poll finds.”

 

 

You can only tell people that their color and gender makes them evil for so long....................

 

Well, they wouldn't be walking away if they weren't evil, would they?

[boyst]

4 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

As I recall you've dated a doctor or two before and now you say you'd rather have a vet? Is it just like after midnight that you yearn for a vet? Does this vet always have to have long rubber gloves on?

I'm dating a vet now, 2nd time.  They're vastly more intelligent and able to perform medical proceeduures. 

[ALF]

Divorcing Trump: Why some conservatives are now pushing Democrats (!)

 

The conservative commentators who absolutely despise President Trump are in a box.

 

Now, with the midterms approaching, some of those on the right are taking the step that they refused to take in 2016: They are openly rooting for the Democrats.

 

Here's the debate: Are these onetime Republicans so blinded by what I call Trump Trauma that they're running into the arms of the opposition party? Or is this a one-off, a temporary defection to restrain a president they think is damaging the country?

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/06/divorcing-trump-why-some-conservatives-are-now-pushing-democrats.html

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 minutes ago, ALF said:

Divorcing Trump: Why some conservatives are now pushing Democrats (!)

 

The conservative commentators who absolutely despise President Trump are in a box.

 

Now, with the midterms approaching, some of those on the right are taking the step that they refused to take in 2016: They are openly rooting for the Democrats.

 

Here's the debate: Are these onetime Republicans so blinded by what I call Trump Trauma that they're running into the arms of the opposition party? Or is this a one-off, a temporary defection to restrain a president they think is damaging the country?

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/06/divorcing-trump-why-some-conservatives-are-now-pushing-democrats.html

 

Then they aren't actually conservatives, and can be ignored without prejudice.

 

Anyone who works at or FOR the CFR can be safely disregarded as well. There's no organization in this country more detrimental to its existence than THAT "think-tank" or, should I say, sewer of pro-globalist thought.

 

[PearlHowardman]

#WalkWithHillary

 

[BringBackOrton]

On 7/3/2018 at 8:54 PM, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Reasons to #walkaway 

 

Affirmative action 

 

Why would we allow this to happen in med school as opposed to merit based admission?

 

When applying to medical school two factors are looked at, an applicant's GPA and the score on the applicants Medical College Admissions Test, the MCAT. It goes without question you would want your doctor to have the highest possible score on both tests, and expect the school they got their license from to demand that as well. But the standard is not the same for everyone. It differs by appearance.  

 

For example, applicants with an MCAT of 27-29and a GPA OF 3.4-3.59 and are Asian, you have a 21% chance of getting accepted into med school. If you are white, you have a 29% chance of being accepted with the same scores. If you are Hispanic, a 60% chance. African Americans had an 81% chance. 

 

To sum it up, an African American was 4X as likely to make it into Med School as an Asian  with the same scores. 

 

Sounds fair, right?

So I have a little insight here:

On 7/3/2018 at 9:13 PM, Koko78 said:

 

They get silly with admissions standards in order to promote diversity. My friend's brother (they are ethnically Chinese) was denied admission into medical school because he was "too professional" in his interview. Academically he was in the top end of applicants.

 

Makes me feel good that they went for a lesser quality applicant to become a doctor, in the name of diversity.

It is true it is in the name of diversity.  

16 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

medical school isn't totally a meritocracy

 

they need doctors to take basic jobs that nobody else would touch

 

in Canada they are taking in many people in their 40s and 50s without academic proficiency in the sciences, they have a personality profile that would fill the demand for family doctors

 

hopefully positions for surgeons and other specialists are more precious and reserved for the truly deserving

 

 

It's not basic jobs.  It is location.  There is a school of thought that if you take a poor kid from a small town, or a poor kid from the inner city, he is more likely to return to those places (or types of places) and provide care. Rural and inner city areas are the ones who suffer the most from poor access.  

16 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

Because why would you want a GP with a strong background in the sciences?  I mean, they're only going to be providing primary diagnoses which determine your entire course of care, and prescribing medication.

 

As long as they're really nice to you while they're providing sub-standard care everything should be fine.  I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

 

This, as always, is the problem with socialized medicine:

 

There are three primary qualities to health care, and at any given time only two can be exercised because it is a finite commodity which responds to the laws of supply and demand.

 

It can be high quality, it can be abundant, and it can be cheap.

 

Canada has elected to exercise abundant and cheap.

 

Enjoy seeing your witch doctors, who fortunately enough, have a pleasant bedside manner.

A couple of things:

 

One: Medicine is becoming more and more formulaic as evidence grows.  I believe that as an effect, the gap between bad and sufficient care is closing.  Now that doesn't mean you can read a website and be a great care provider.  But you can be much better than you could, say 30 years ago.  And please don't mistake me as saying it's okay to be mediocre or "sufficient."  Just that, like all professions, there are guys who are good, guys who are fine, and guys who suck.  

 

Two: There is little evidence that board scores/GPA/MCAT has any correlation to physician quality.  Part of that is how hard that would be to study.  If you have high board scores, high MCATs and pursue cardiothoracic surgery, how are we going to compare you to a person with lower relative scores who pursues family medicine?  We can't make a 1:1 comparison of thoracotomies vs blood pressure management.  Now, it makes sense, to me, to believe that there's somewhat of a correlation.  The key to getting good scores and grades is to work really really hard and know lots of things.  Both are qualities you'd like in a physician. But the evidence just ain't there. 

 

There's also a common "medical sense" component to practice, which is virtually untestable.  But it's hard to judge, even if you work with someone frequently.  Do you really want to talk **** about a guy who ordered a battery of tests on a really anxious patient who may have told him all kinds of things?  Basically, unless you're right on top of somebody as they practice, you can't know if their reasoning is reasonable or not.  You can assume, and you can have a good idea if it's particularly egregious, but that's rare.

 

Three: Pleasant bedside manner is linked to reduced malpractice lawsuits, and that's supported by strong evidence. In fact, the data suggests that most Americans polled, would rather have a nicer care provider than one who was colder/meaner/more analytical but knew more.  I am playing devil's advocate here, mostly because I don't agree with that trending thought.  And I think just because you have a nice bedside manner,  doesn't give you the excuse to not know. But that's just me.

 

I will end with this thought.  In my experience, it always sounds nice to diversify.  Some patients want doctors who look like them.  But it's super curious that everyone wants diversity at the cost of somebody else. I have posed the obvious question to many people over the years.  "If you think we should give a valuable spot to someone Latino or African American or someone from a disadvantaged upbringing, why don't you give them yours?  Surely, if you're advocating for such a policy, you'd put your money where your mouth is and defer acceptance so a poor African American kid can get in over you? Do you believe that no other applicant is less privileged than you?"

 

No one has an answer.  Ever. It sounds like the line of privilege always starts "after I get mine."

16 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

 

i shake my head as well as science studies aren't a priority, but you can't demand that of people 20 years out of school.  I"ve helped filled out a few applications for accountants to give it a whirl, a lot of teachers have entered the programs

 

for family practice the requirements aren't considered that demanding any more, bedside manner and other personality factors are considered more important than grades

 

personally i have used family doctors only for basic things and getting me into top specialists the next day when required, i'm well connected through work and family to get referrals when needed, and for others more often

 

we don't have the quota thing up here, we consider people from "Asia" (read: India and Hong Kong and other places of fine education and standards) to count for diversity

 

 

 

 

Indians and Asians are getting crushed.  But I don't know what they can do about it.

Edited July 6, 2018 by BringBackOrton

[ALF]

Which party controls the House and Senate after Nov will determine which voters walked away or not.

[Nanker]

On 7/3/2018 at 2:55 PM, joesixpack said:

 

Who the !@#$ is joss whedon?

 

Here’s a very unflattering review of him. https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Joss_Whedon

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Here’s a very unflattering review of him. https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Joss_Whedon

 

haha that was !@#$ing awesome.

 

i'd give it three thumbs up if i could

 

[row_33]

Thanks Bringback, location is a better description than lower-level....

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[IDBillzFan]

On 7/6/2018 at 3:50 AM, ALF said:

Divorcing Trump: Why some conservatives are now pushing Democrats (!)

 

The conservative commentators who absolutely despise President Trump are in a box.

 

Now, with the midterms approaching, some of those on the right are taking the step that they refused to take in 2016: They are openly rooting for the Democrats.

 

Here's the debate: Are these onetime Republicans so blinded by what I call Trump Trauma that they're running into the arms of the opposition party? Or is this a one-off, a temporary defection to restrain a president they think is damaging the country?

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/06/divorcing-trump-why-some-conservatives-are-now-pushing-democrats.html

 

People like George Will and Bill Kristol have been important voices for conservatives, but they are proving that their voices become useless when they show themselves to be the Judge Smails to the Al Czervik...the Shooter McGavin to the Happy Gilmore.

 

"That's not way to behave! You're embarrassing everyone! Can't you behave like an adult?"

 

 They could fine a way to compromise and lead, but they simply prefer to take the easy path that pays: Be the conservative voice against the president who wasn't their choice.

 

Trump will be gone one day, and people like Will and Kristol will be commentators on a Rachel Maddow panel.

 

 

Edited July 8, 2018 by LABillzFan

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 hours ago, LABillzFan said:

 

People like George Will and Bill Kristol have been important voices for conservatives, but they are proving that their voices become useless when they show themselves to be the Judge Smails to the Al Czervik...the Shooter McGavin to the Happy Gilmore.

 

"That's not way to behave! You're embarrassing everyone! Can't you behave like an adult?"

 

 They could fine a way to compromise and lead, but they simply prefer to take the easy path that pays: Be the conservative voice against the president who wasn't their choice.

 

Trump will be gone one day, and people like Will and Kristol will be commentators on a Rachel Maddow panel.

 

 

 

George Will, Bill Kristol and the like all have exactly zero legs to stand on, collectively. They supported guys like W and Mitt Romney, hell even JOHN MCCAIN, none of whom were actually conservative.

 

Like I said, they can safely be ignored as conservative voices.

 

[row_33]

6 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

George Will, Bill Kristol and the like all have exactly zero legs to stand on, collectively. They supported guys like W and Mitt Romney, hell even JOHN MCCAIN, none of whom were actually conservative.

 

Like I said, they can safely be ignored as conservative voices.

 

 

Will was last relevant when a page on Newsweek and snarky snippets on David Brinkley Sunday’s  mattered.

 

 

 

 

So.... 1995?

[IDBillzFan]

14 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

George Will, Bill Kristol and the like all have exactly zero legs to stand on, collectively. They supported guys like W and Mitt Romney, hell even JOHN MCCAIN, none of whom were actually conservative.

 

Like I said, they can safely be ignored as conservative voices.

 

 

Arguing in favor of a big Dem victory to straighten the GOP ship is like cheering for the Bills to lose for a higher draft pick.

 

 

[DC Tom]

17 minutes ago, LABillzFan said:

 

Arguing in favor of a big Dem victory to straighten the GOP ship is like cheering for the Bills to lose for a higher draft pick.

 

 

 

"Winning elections only hurts the party!"

 

Actually...I think that might be the Democrats' new mantra...

[row_33]

They pride themselves in insider knowledge that lets them glory in getting election results right

 

they were all dead 100 percent wrong on Trump from his entry in the race

 

 

[Tiberius]

Looks like Trump's personal driver has walked away! And is suing him! 

 

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-driver-health-benefits-raise-1014653

[/dev/null]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

 

I'll take PPP trivia for $1000 Alex

 

Something most folks on PPP do when they see a Tibs post

What is #walkaway