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19 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Eating their own now... because, that's what progressive fascists always do.

 

 

Angela Crye is one of the most disgusting humans on this planet.

 

She is the most unhinged person over there at the Communist News Network.

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16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

You've been hoodwinked. JM is no great American. He's a seditious, treasonous snake whose legacy will end up in the ash heap of history. 

jm fiddled for decades while the border burned, all while anointing himself a "maverick" when he was nothing more than an entrenched Washington operative. 

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42 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

You've been hoodwinked. JM is no great American. He's a seditious, treasonous snake whose legacy will end up in the ash heap of history. 

 

 Nope. I haven’t been. 

 

While many were deferring military service and calling in favors from their rich parents to avoid compulsory military service, McCain served the country admirably. The accounts of his capture and imprisonment notwithstanding, he was a prisoner of war and refused repatriation when it was offered to him. 

 

He has spent five decades as a public servant. And since I don’t expect perfection from anyone, including myself, I’ll give the benefit of doubt to a man who risked life and limb over and over again, to ensure that we could operate with the freedoms we now enjoy. 

 

For you or anyone to sit behind a computer and both characterize and Monday morning quarterback decisions and a history of service, the extent to which you might only understand in an infinitesimally small vacuum,  shows that this nation’s guarantee of even contextless, agenda-driven, and wildly sophomoric speech is equally sacrosanct, and it should make us glad that men like McCain left his family and traveled to foreign lands in order to protect it. 

 

So, I’ll renew my comment again, with confidence: 

 

John McCain is a good dude and a better American. 

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5 minutes ago, Juror#8 said:

 

 Nope. I haven’t been. 

 

While many were deferring military service and calling in favors from their rich parents to avoid compulsory military service, McCain served the country admirably. The accounts of his capture and imprisonment notwithstanding, he was a prisoner of war and refused repatriation when it was offered to him. 

 

He has spent five decades as a public servant. And since I don’t expect perfection from anyone, including myself, I’ll give the benefit of doubt to a man who risked life and limb over and over again, to ensure that we could operate with the freedoms we now enjoy. 

 

For you or anyone to sit behind a computer and both characterize and Monday morning quarterback decisions and a history of service, the extent to which you might only understand in an infinitesimally small vacuum,  shows that this nation’s guarantee of even contextless, agenda-driven, and wildly sophomoric speech is equally sacrosanct, and it should make us glad that men like McCain left his family and traveled to foreign lands in order to protect it. 

 

So, I’ll renew my comment again, with confidence: 

 

John McCain is a good dude and a better American. 

If you're endorsing him,  he definitely is a RINO. 

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Juror#8, I agree with your reading of JM, but I must protest your claim announced at the end of your post that preceeds the one above your most recent one....  You may be a big dick, but I'm thinkin' having a big member may only be in the eye of the beholder.  Having said that, I have no first hand knowledge, nor do I seek to have in this instance, nor can I provide a link.

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31 minutes ago, Juror#8 said:

 

 Nope. I haven’t been. 

 

While many were deferring military service and calling in favors from their rich parents to avoid compulsory military service, McCain served the country admirably. The accounts of his capture and imprisonment notwithstanding, he was a prisoner of war and refused repatriation when it was offered to him. 

 

He has spent five decades as a public servant. And since I don’t expect perfection from anyone, including myself, I’ll give the benefit of doubt to a man who risked life and limb over and over again, to ensure that we could operate with the freedoms we now enjoy. 

 

For you or anyone to sit behind a computer and both characterize and Monday morning quarterback decisions and a history of service, the extent to which you might only understand in an infinitesimally small vacuum,  shows that this nation’s guarantee of even contextless, agenda-driven, and wildly sophomoric speech is equally sacrosanct, and it should make us glad that men like McCain left his family and traveled to foreign lands in order to protect it. 

 

So, I’ll renew my comment again, with confidence: 

 

John McCain is a good dude and a better American. 

 

John McCain is a traitor to this nation who has, over the course of the last decade and longer, sacrificed American lives by intentionally guiding us into war in order to secure his seat of power and secure a fiefdom for his rule.

 

He is the father of ISIS, and a facilitator of both false flags and actual chemical weapons attacks in Syria towards those ends.

 

He is not a good American.  He's the worst kind of American.

 

I'm not asking you to believe me.  What's coming will demonstrate exactly that.

 

Now, to address this post:

 

 

The rhetoric has changed and escalated.

 

We're at the point where violence is being advocated.

 

Once it begins, there is no turning back.

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21 minutes ago, Keukasmallies said:

Juror#8, I agree with your reading of JM, but I must protest your claim announced at the end of your post that preceeds the one above your most recent one....  You may be a big dick, but I'm thinkin' having a big member may only be in the eye of the beholder.  Having said that, I have no first hand knowledge, nor do I seek to have in this instance, nor can I provide a link.

Ya never know. He could be wearing 6.0 reading glasses that make a "smart car" look like a stretch limousine.

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39 minutes ago, Juror#8 said:

 

 Nope. I haven’t been. 

 

While many were deferring military service and calling in favors from their rich parents to avoid compulsory military service, McCain served the country admirably. The accounts of his capture and imprisonment notwithstanding, he was a prisoner of war and refused repatriation when it was offered to him. 

 

He has spent five decades as a public servant. And since I don’t expect perfection from anyone, including myself, I’ll give the benefit of doubt to a man who risked life and limb over and over again, to ensure that we could operate with the freedoms we now enjoy. 

 

For you or anyone to sit behind a computer and both characterize and Monday morning quarterback decisions and a history of service, the extent to which you might only understand in an infinitesimally small vacuum,  shows that this nation’s guarantee of even contextless, agenda-driven, and wildly sophomoric speech is equally sacrosanct, and it should make us glad that men like McCain left his family and traveled to foreign lands in order to protect it. 

 

So, I’ll renew my comment again, with confidence: 

 

John McCain is a good dude and a better American. 

 

You need to do more homework. I'm "sitting behind a computer" and characterizing a person I've studied VERY closely. I've spoken to numerous people who worked with him, and numerous people who worked against him. So much so I can see through the "he's a patriotic prisoner of war" narrative that's designed to make you excuse the actual ill he's done. And yes, he's done ill:

 

* No name aided and abetted an enemy that killed over 3000 Americans on 2001 - and did so not to protect the country but to enrich himself and his "foundations". Running guns into Syria, helping to arm, fund, and train both AQ and ISIS - that kind of public service was never about helping the country, it was always aimed at feathering his own nest and working to weaken this country from the inside out.  

 

* No name was also heavily involved in the dossier's creation, distribution and publication. That means he was a part of the palace coup attempt of a legally elected POTUS. That's sedition. 

 

... Then there's the nasty little bit about increasing human trafficking inside Arizona while he runs a foundation that is designed to "combat it". In reality, it does no such thing. 

 

I never thought I'd be rooting for cancer... but you need dig deeper on Syd.

 

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21 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

John McCain is a traitor to this nation who has, over the course of the last decade and longer, sacrificed American lives by intentionally guiding us into war in order to secure his seat of power and secure a fiefdom for his rule.

 

He is the father of ISIS, and a facilitator of both false flags and actual chemical weapons attacks in Syria towards those ends.

 

He is not a good American.  He's the worst kind of American.

 

I'm not asking you to believe me.  What's coming will demonstrate exactly that.

 

Now, to address this post:

 

 

The rhetoric has changed and escalated.

 

We're at the point where violence is being advocated.

 

Once it begins, there is no turning back.

 

Yea, I just don’t agree on John McCain. 

 

He is a good dude and a good American for the reasons that I mentioned. 

 

I reserve to right to change my opinion if I heard information that shuffled that balance. But to date I haven’t heard that. 

 

With that said, that was a very small part of my post, indeed the last sentence. So I’m not sure that disagreement on that point, no matter reasonably held that disagreement is, should continue to deter the discussion. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

You need to do more homework. I'm "sitting behind a computer" and characterizing a person I've studied VERY closely. I've spoken to numerous people who worked with him, and numerous people who worked against him. So much so I can see through the "he's a patriotic prisoner of war" narrative that's designed to make you excuse the actual ill he's done. And yes, he's done ill:

 

* No name aided and abetted an enemy that killed over 3000 Americans on 2001 - and did so not to protect the country but to enrich himself and his "foundations". Running guns into Syria, helping to arm, fund, and train both AQ and ISIS - that kind of public service was never about helping the country, it was always aimed at feathering his own nest and working to weaken this country from the inside out.  

 

* No name was also heavily involved in the dossier's creation, distribution and publication. That means he was a part of the palace coup attempt of a legally elected POTUS. That's sedition. 

 

... Then there's the nasty little bit about increasing human trafficking inside Arizona while he runs a foundation that is designed to "combat it". In reality, it does no such thing. 

 

I never thought I'd be rooting for cancer... but you need dig deeper on Syd.

 

 

Yea, I just don’t agree on John McCain. 

 

He is a good dude and a good American for the reasons that I mentioned. 

 

I reserve to right to change my opinion if I heard information that shuffled that balance. But to date I haven’t heard that. 

 

With that said, that was a very small part of my post, indeed the last sentence. So I’m not sure that disagreement on that point, no matter reasonably held that disagreement is, should continue to deter the discussion. 

 

Also, I kept my opinion on the “prisoner of war” angle light. I referenced his public and military service very purposefully. 

 

And I didn’t say he was a good politician, or a champion of ethics. 

 

But I’m also not saying that he’s not. 

 

The context of this discussion was around vitriol as between public figures and how that’s destroyed civil political discourse. McCain was brought up in the context of Trumps comments about his military service 

 

It’s cool and all in small doses, but overall the straw man stuff is played out. 

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Just now, Juror#8 said:

I reserve to right to change my opinion if I heard information that shuffled that balance. But to date I haven’t heard that. 

 

With that said, that was a very small part of my post, indeed the last sentence. So I’m not sure that disagreement on that point, no matter reasonably held that disagreement is, should continue to deter the discussion. 

 

It was a small part and I did not mean to hijack it - but it was said by you (who I consider a smart poster) which led me to believe you just weren't aware of the darkness that is very real and very prominent surrounding Syd. My post wasn't meant to argue or nitpick, just prod you into doing some more digging. :beer:

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Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It was a small part and I did not mean to hijack it - but it was said by you (who I consider a smart poster) which led me to believe you just weren't aware of the darkness that is very real and very prominent surrounding Syd. My post wasn't meant to argue or nitpick, just prod you into doing some more digging. :beer:

 

Thats fair man and you already have me interested. So I will look into that some more. Because I’ve always been a fan of career public servants. Especially those with military stripes. 

 

But I’ll  also call a spade a spade so if I find that he is an inimical dickbag then that might call for an agonizing reappraisal of the whole scene ... military service notwithstanding, 

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5 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

The looming threat of actual justice being doled out, is new to many in the political elite class, and they're preparing their supporters for that eventuality. 

 

I'll believe this when I see it.  They look out for each other.

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8 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I'll believe this when I see it.  They look out for each other.

 

nothing will happen to the Clinton toadies, a suicide by three bullets in the back of the head is their only threat

 

 

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2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

You've been hoodwinked. JM is no great American. He's a seditious, treasonous snake whose legacy will end up in the ash heap of history. 

 

he also never saw another country he didn't want to bomb the peejeebers out of.

 

Keating 5.  Stand up guy.  

 

How is McCain-Fiengold doing at keeping money out of politics?

 

what he did in VN was amazing. I respect him for that, but that's all.

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4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

he also never saw another country he didn't want to bomb the peejeebers out of.

 

Keating 5.  Stand up guy.  

 

How is McCain-Fiengold doing at keeping money out of politics?

 

what he did in VN was amazing. I respect him for that, but that's all.

 

Yeah, I can agree with you on this. McCain's garbage.

 

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5 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

he also never saw another country he didn't want to bomb the peejeebers out of.

 

Keating 5.  Stand up guy.  

 

How is McCain-Fiengold doing at keeping money out of politics?

 

what he did in VN was amazing. I respect him for that, but that's all.

 

Decorated veterans are not necessarily competent in other areas.  Audie Murphy was basically a complete !@#$-up in literally every other aspect of his life outside of killing Germans.

 

They're also not necessarily good people.  The Hell's Angles were formed by WWII fighter pilots who missed the excitement of combat.

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1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

Decorated veterans are not necessarily competent in other areas.  Audie Murphy was basically a complete !@#$-up in literally every other aspect of his life outside of killing Germans.

 

They're also not necessarily good people.  The Hell's Angles were formed by WWII fighter pilots who missed the excitement of combat.

He was a good movie star.

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I am not sure where I fall, exactly, on this iteration of the debate above.  Yet I find it amusing the platitudes offered by some here who identify as being on the Right regarding those on the Left cornering the market on aggressive attitudes and incivility. 

 

Me thinks these particular individuals need a history lesson.  If you believe for a moment that "all this started" once Trump got elected and the pathetic behavior is exclusive to those on the Left, or in fact it has only gotten worse since Trump was elected, you really should try to reflect a bit more intentionally, every day.  That or you should have to repeat out loud, slowly, what you are typing and are about to post so you may get a sense of how goofy you are about to appear. 

 

Please see the below.  You are welcome.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/25/violence-congress-health-reform-republican-obama

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/quote-of-the-day-ted-nugent-threatens-barack-obama/256025/

 

I am only including two examples as I think it would be too overwhelming for those on the far Right, who are speaking very unequivocally, to work through the entire list; again, based on the posts from them in this thread. 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, IndyMark said:

I am not sure where I fall, exactly, on this iteration of the debate above.  Yet I find it amusing the platitudes offered by some here who identify as being on the Right regarding those on the Left cornering the market on aggressive attitudes and incivility. 

 

Me thinks these particular individuals need a history lesson.  If you believe for a moment that "all this started" once Trump got elected and the pathetic behavior is exclusive to those on the Left, or in fact it has only gotten worse since Trump was elected, you really should try to reflect a bit more intentionally, every day.  That or you should have to repeat out loud, slowly, what you are typing and are about to post so you may get a sense of how goofy you are about to appear. 

 

Please see the below.  You are welcome.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/25/violence-congress-health-reform-republican-obama

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/quote-of-the-day-ted-nugent-threatens-barack-obama/256025/

 

I am only including two examples as I think it would be too overwhelming for those on the far Right, who are speaking very unequivocally, to work through the entire list; again, based on the posts from them in this thread. 

 

 

 

 

I believe this is what you folks on the left call "whataboutism."

 

And did you find the story where Mitch McConnell told Republicans to stalk and threaten Jay Carney and Katherine Sebelius?

 

I'm not saying you're wrong, mind you.  You're entirely correct.  And a thorough hypocritice.

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I believe this is what you folks on the left call "whataboutism."

 

And did you find the story where Mitch McConnell told Republicans to stalk and threaten Jay Carney and Katherine Sebelius?

 

I'm not saying you're wrong, mind you.  You're entirely correct.  And a thorough hypocritice.

 

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Thanks for reading and replying.  However, I am not confident I stated those on the Left were not at fault.  If I did, you would be 100% correct.  Clearly, I was providing balance that was not quite offered in this form.  Of course both sides are at fault.  This is what needs to be accepted.  Lastly, and less significant, I am not sure I would consider myself as being on the Left.  However,  you can feel otherwise.

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6 minutes ago, IndyMark said:

I am not sure where I fall, exactly, on this iteration of the debate above.  Yet I find it amusing the platitudes offered by some here who identify as being on the Right regarding those on the Left cornering the market on aggressive attitudes and incivility. 

 

Me thinks these particular individuals need a history lesson.  If you believe for a moment that "all this started" once Trump got elected and the pathetic behavior is exclusive to those on the Left, or in fact it has only gotten worse since Trump was elected, you really should try to reflect a bit more intentionally, every day.  That or you should have to repeat out loud, slowly, what you are typing and are about to post so you may get a sense of how goofy you are about to appear. 

 

Please see the below.  You are welcome.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/25/violence-congress-health-reform-republican-obama

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/quote-of-the-day-ted-nugent-threatens-barack-obama/256025/

 

I am only including two examples as I think it would be too overwhelming for those on the far Right, who are speaking very unequivocally, to work through the entire list; again, based on the posts from them in this thread. 

 

 

 

You seem to know where you, exactly.  

 

I think you're correct..stupidity and hostility toward an opponent goes back to the beginning of time. And extremists of a particular stripes are similar to extremists of all stripes. I will say the most recent election reveals thus. Nary an objection was raised when Clinton hung all sorts of horrible descriptors on Candidate Trump, yet much was made when he returned the favor in kind.  To be blunt, he treated her respectfully, as an equal, in approach and tone.  She played the gender card, which is fine politically when trying to win an election, but soft as hell as a leader. 

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I think there's a clear distinction between the level of "civility" before and after Trump.

 

While there's nothing new about people trashing politicians they dislike, there is something new about the wholesale dehumanization of their supporters. There's also something new about the wave of widespread violence and harassment against individuals, and it's coming primarily from the left. We're not talking about isolated incidents of some !@#$ acting up, but rather large organized movements. For example, you have antifa violently "protesting" conservative speakers, and violently "counter-protesting" Trump rallies. You have groups vandalizing and picketing the private home of the president of the NRA. And there are wide-spread organized efforts to de-platform conservatives and purge them from businesses and universities. And all that's before you had Maxine Waters dumping gasoline on the fire.

 

Not only has this not been done by the right, it was never done by the left during my lifetime. Not on this scale, and not with wide-spread support.

 

The other problem with the vitriolic hatred coming from the left (and it is absolutely that) is that it is without direction. In times past most disagreements that sparked passions were over actual issues based in reality, like welfare, taxes, war, and abortion. If you were arguing over the Iraq war, there actually was a war to debate. If you're a socialist arguing with a capitalist, even if the conversation descends into nasty ad hominim attacks, at least you're discussing a real issue that can be debated. 

 

The new left is raging against figments of their imagination. These aren't even policy based arguments. How do you compromise with someone who's calling for the elimination of Nazis when there are no Nazis to eliminate? How do you reason with someone who's fighting racist policies that aren't even being proposed? I've got people on my FB feed who actually believe Trump is building concentration camps to exterminate the Mexicans. How do you reason with those guys?

 

If you don't acknowledge their imaginary boogie men and join the witch hunt, you are a Nazi, or at best a Nazi sympathizer, and thus you need to be destroyed. Put differently, if you aren't "woke" you're the enemy. And an enemy deserves no mercy.

 

That's a far cry from calling Obama a Muslim or burning an effigy of Bush with a swastika on its arm.

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1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

You seem to know where you, exactly.  

 

I think you're correct..stupidity and hostility toward an opponent goes back to the beginning of time. And extremists of a particular stripes are similar to extremists of all stripes. I will say the most recent election reveals thus. Nary an objection was raised when Clinton hung all sorts of horrible descriptors on Candidate Trump, yet much was made when he returned the favor in kind.  To be blunt, he treated her respectfully, as an equal, in approach and tone.  She played the gender card, which is fine politically when trying to win an election, but soft as hell as a leader. 

He said during a debate that if he ran things she'd be in jail.  LOL.  Trump isn't completely blameless in all this as he said he'd pay his supporters legal fees if they assaulted protesters and the "lock her up" chant at the rallies and the convention is something you normally see in a banana republic.  Not a healthy democracy.  However, I do agree it's mostly the radical left that is pushing us closer to something similar to the Rodney King riots.  If Trump wins in 2020 despite losing the popular vote again......look out.  

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2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

He said during a debate that if he ran things she'd be in jail.  LOL.  Trump isn't completely blameless in all this as he said he'd pay his supporters legal fees if they assaulted protesters and the "lock her up" chant at the rallies and the convention is something you normally see in a banana republic.  Not a healthy democracy.  However, I do agree it's mostly the radical left that is pushing us closer to something similar to the Rodney King riots.  If Trump wins in 2020 despite losing the popular vote again......look out.  

 

That’s politics.

 

if she couldn’t handle it, after dishing it out....

 

 

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18 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

it's one of the things they have in common.

 

Trumps likes the spotlight and rough games of the boardroom and politics

 

she hates to have anyone remotely contradict  or not suck up to her

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2 hours ago, IndyMark said:

I am not sure where I fall, exactly, on this iteration of the debate above.  Yet I find it amusing the platitudes offered by some here who identify as being on the Right regarding those on the Left cornering the market on aggressive attitudes and incivility. 

 

Me thinks these particular individuals need a history lesson.  If you believe for a moment that "all this started" once Trump got elected and the pathetic behavior is exclusive to those on the Left, or in fact it has only gotten worse since Trump was elected, you really should try to reflect a bit more intentionally, every day.  That or you should have to repeat out loud, slowly, what you are typing and are about to post so you may get a sense of how goofy you are about to appear. 

 

Please see the below.  You are welcome.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/mar/25/violence-congress-health-reform-republican-obama

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/04/quote-of-the-day-ted-nugent-threatens-barack-obama/256025/

 

I am only including two examples as I think it would be too overwhelming for those on the far Right, who are speaking very unequivocally, to work through the entire list; again, based on the posts from them in this thread. 

 

 

 

A brick from 2010 and ted nugent are the two best examples you can come up with

comparing to say eh mad max, a congress woman's threats. Are you kidding?
Man, I Iove lefties, keep Trump winning  !

The letter on the brick was probably written by a  far left lib...

Exremism...

 

 

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1 hour ago, Rob's House said:

That's a far cry from calling Obama a Muslim or burning an effigy of Bush with a swastika on its arm.

 

Good post. :beer: 

 

imo the difference is this wave was weaponized by John Brennan and the IC for the purposes of distracting/undercutting the administration. That's also why this should be so outrageous to the many (and I know they exist) rational thinking people in the "resistance". They're doing the bidding of some of the very institutions and agencies that denied MANY of them a say in their primary candidate.

 

 

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