mannc Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 47 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Or at least replaceable enough to have someone on the team that will have a team mentality instead of a "me first" perspective on life. How did Kaepernick’s protests evince a “me first” perspective on life? Please explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 4-20 as a starter in his last 24 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 .....thinking "Keeping Up With Kaepernick" may force "Keeping Up With The Kardashians" off the air...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 45 minutes ago, mannc said: How did Kaepernick’s protests evince a “me first” perspective on life? Please explain. Well no matter how I explain it you're probably going to punch holes in it but I'll try anyways. I understand and respect what he's protesting but he did it on the job. If I did that, it's likely I'd be unemployed as well. If he wants to protest that's fine by me, but he made himself a target for all the negative attention he's getting. Now going after the NFL and Trump is what I think is diminishing his actual protest and making it about how he can't get a job (in the NFL) because of what he did. That's where he's making it about himself and not the actual protest. I honestly don't give a **** about the politics of the matter regardless if it is Trump or some other blowhard in office. My gripe is that he took something that was meant to be an escape from everyday bull **** and turned it into a political podium. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: It's not like the NFL hasn't colluded before. They were found guilty of antitrust violations in the USFL case, but the brain-dead jury awarded $1 in treble damages, for $3 total. Kaep has less than a 1% chance of winning this one, short of a videotape with two NFL owners or GM's on it saying "Let's agree to not offer Kaep a free agent contract". Then it'll be a coin flip. Antitrust laws are there mainly to protect the consumer from unfair business practices. Kaep’s situation has nothing to do with antitrust laws. Kaep’s grievance was under the collective bargaining agreement with NFL. I dont know what the language is in that agreement but i guess it doesnt allow for collusion? I dont know. In the real world, with no CBA, a private corporation can blackball someone all day, any day if they feel that person is bad for business (as long as no constitutional rights are being violated i.e., not hiring bc of race). Kaep in his grievance claims: "If the NFL (as well as all professional sports teams) is to remain a meritocracy, then principled and peaceful protest -- which the owners themselves made great theater imitating weeks ago -- should not be punished and athletes should not be denied employment based on partisan political provocation by the Executive Branch of our government...” If that’s Kaep’s central claim he’s going to have a hard time with this grievance. The language “should” not be punished is different than “cannot” be punished. Kaep has no constitutional protection to peacefully protest while hes at work. The NFL is a private business entity that ultimately exists not on meritocracy, but rather with revenue. Revenue sharing is an actual thing among teams in the NFL. So logically, teams have every right to discuss matters that are deemed a threat to their bottom line. Kaep’s stance threatened their bottom line. As a private entity, they have the right to address whether that employee is an asset or a liability, and they clearly chose the latter. Kaep’s constitutional rights werent violated either since 1st amendment protection doesnt really apply at the workplace. Protest on your own time, Kaep. Thats what you should have done. Instead, you tried to be cute and you lost. Edited June 7, 2018 by bobobonators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: There's a long line of citizens who wish to depose Trump. Kaeperniok's is the only really bogus request. Who on earth is NOT currently familiar with Trump's policy towards the anthem protest? And why would it matter what he said to various owners regarding his feelings on this? This ultimately is a futile exercise for Kaep and his dream team. You said " trumpsters policy " we have some questions for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 4 hours ago, Rubes said: Not trying to be a troll, but honest question: what if the stadium/place of employment belongs to the city/county, and not the owner? Been raised and answered in two other threads. Stadium/locker facilities leased to the team and within team's control under terms of the lease. Same thing as if your business leases the building it's operating from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 4 hours ago, mjt328 said: But where is the evidence this happened? Do you really think the NFL owners called around and told each other - "Hey, let's show that Kaepernick guy and make sure none of us sign him!" There are thousands of other NFL players who kneeled for the anthem and still have jobs. Like I said. In terms of other NFL Quarterbacks, Kaepernick had played himself into a backup role (at best). His decision/actions caused a ruckus across the country, and enraged thousands of fans. Nobody was going to deal with that headache for a guy holding a clipboard. Nobody forced Kaepernick to kneel. Nobody forced Kaepernick to make his statement about "refusing to respect" this country. Those were his own decisions, and he should take the consequences like a man. But instead, he's choosing to play the victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 The rumor is there is a whistleblower inside the NFL that’s going to blow the top off of this. If that happens all bets are off. I’m going to wait to see what comes out before making an opinion. That sounds crazy right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Wiz said: Well no matter how I explain it you're probably going to punch holes in it but I'll try anyways. I understand and respect what he's protesting but he did it on the job. If I did that, it's likely I'd be unemployed as well. If he wants to protest that's fine by me, but he made himself a target for all the negative attention he's getting. Now going after the NFL and Trump is what I think is diminishing his actual protest and making it about how he can't get a job (in the NFL) because of what he did. That's where he's making it about himself and not the actual protest. I honestly don't give a **** about the politics of the matter regardless if it is Trump or some other blowhard in office. My gripe is that he took something that was meant to be an escape from everyday bull **** and turned it into a political podium. thanks for writing your thinking on this for us me especially. I don't think agree with you on this , but we agree on other matters. Good honest post and much appreciated Edited June 8, 2018 by 3rdand12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 3 hours ago, K-9 said: It would just take two or more teams, not all 32. OK, you got me drawn in here. I did not know that, can you explain or give more background? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 hour ago, The Wiz said: I honestly don't give a **** about the politics of the matter regardless if it is Trump or some other blowhard in office. My gripe is that he took something that was meant to be an escape from everyday bull **** and turned it into a political podium. If I could upvote this 100 times, I would. Hit the nail on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: OK, you got me drawn in here. I did not know that, can you explain or give more background? Just the simple definition of collusion requiring two or more parties to be in agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 24 minutes ago, Paul Costa said: The rumor is there is a whistleblower inside the NFL that’s going to blow the top off of this. If that happens all bets are off. I’m going to wait to see what comes out before making an opinion. That sounds crazy right ? bat sheets crazy. what started out as simple yet effective protest has turned into this. These Days and Times are quite something aren't they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Trump mettled into the NFL business to cover for his " other " problems . He doesn''t give a rats a## about the standing for the flag or kneeling . He was a "bone spur 4 fe in the Vietnam War" . Every time he gets his tit in a wringer he creates a diversion and makes it a cause celebrae to get the peoples mind off of him. Too bad that there are so many people who haven't figured it out and too bad that they never will. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 7 hours ago, wppete said: I cant see how kaepernick can win this law suit. Billionaire owners and a league full of the top lawyers in the USA. If you were an owner of a business would you hire someone who is suing you and your business partners???? Yeah. I see your point. We will just elect him president. A chronic lawsuit happy person that is. It's good enough for the American people! Hire him! 1 minute ago, Wily Dog said: Trump mettled into the NFL business to cover for his " other " problems . He doesn''t give a rats a## about the standing for the flag or kneeling . He was a "bone spur 4 fe in the Vietnam War" . Every time he gets his tit in a wringer he creates a diversion and makes it a cause celebrae to get the peoples mind off of him. Too bad that there are so many people who haven't figured it out and too bad that they never will. Take them to court... Obfuscate things! It's his MO. Tie up legal system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Saint Doug said: I thought Trump and the NFL have some bad blood. If they depose Trump, he really could stick it to the owners who blocked him over 30 years ago. Trump has a long memory for those who cross him. He’s still mad Pegula outbid him by 400 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 22 minutes ago, Wily Dog said: Trump mettled into the NFL business to cover for his " other " problems . He doesn''t give a rats a## about the standing for the flag or kneeling . He was a "bone spur 4 fe in the Vietnam War" . Every time he gets his tit in a wringer he creates a diversion and makes it a cause celebrae to get the peoples mind off of him. Too bad that there are so many people who haven't figured it out and too bad that they never will. To put this in baseball terms, you are way out in left field on this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 15 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: He’s still mad Pegula outbid him by 400 million. He didn't have 400 million more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 1 minute ago, keepthefaith said: To put this in baseball terms, you are way out in left field on this. You sir, are in the never will contingent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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