Zay Jones Had Knee Surgery and is Out for the Spring - Back to Practice without Restrictions

[Lfod]

7 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

That about sums it up. Well done. 

Edited May 26, 2018 by Lfod

[RocCityRoller]

59 minutes ago, QBorBust2018 said:

Still can’t believe we passed on JuJu for this bum. Makes no sense. 

 

Don't go down that rabbit hole, it hurts really bad.

 

I wanted to take some time on commenting about Zay Jones' rookie year and off season.

 

On the negative side:

 

 - I am legitimately concerned about how Zay Jones has handled this off-season. Needed 2 surgeries, not a good sign, and waited till the end of May for a   

   leg issue. I do wonder why he waited so long, but the multiple surgery requirements thing makes some sense I suppose. Hard to use crutches on a torn  

   labrum and recovery from that surgery

- The LA situation was terrible.

- His target to catch ratio was terrible in his rookie season, even his mom teased him on social media.

- Prior to LA, Buffalo was making Zay one of the young faces of the team in promotional material, he ruined that

 

On the optimist side:

 

I've also been watching pro football long enough to know many excellent WRs need a season or two to catch up to the pro game. Most WRs break out in season 2 or 3.

- The OBJ/ Deandre Hopkins of the world and the faster pace of everything makes people less patient, but the normalized statistical model for a WR is a breakout in yr 2 or 3.

- Jones did play through a torn labrum all year and did not complain or use it as an excuse, even when he was getting mocked in social media and among fans

- took a terrible and awkward hit to the knee in the Jets game and kept playing through the game and season. I thought he was done for the season after 

  that hit but kept playing through the season. He has moxy and will play through pain, gotta give a guy credit for that

 - He had the 2nd most uncatchable targets last year. PFF (not perfect but a measuring stick) almost half (46%) of his 'targets' were uncatchable. He never 

   called out the QB or the offensive scheme.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNPVC1AUEAAO8q8.jpg

(the #1 was John Brown (AZ), who also had a terrible year after multiple productive seasons)

 

I think fans who have watched the pro game for 10 or more years know WRs need a year or two to flourish.This isn't a Madden video game where you plug and play guys. Sometimes patience is needed. The fact 40% of his 'targets' were garbage, and he still managed to get a hand on many of them shows range. Add in that he did that with a torn labrum and then knee issue shows me something.

 

I hope Zay Jones uses his rookie season and this horrible off-season to get his head on streight. He needs to know he is in the public spotlight now as a professional athlete and handle his business professionally. I can't crucify a 20 something person for partying a little too hard. Many of us have been there and are not famous, or did so before the omipresence of social media (thank god). He has a supportive family of other professional athletes (dad, brother) to help.

 

I also think a switch of scheme and better QB play will help.

 

I no longer think Jones can be a #1, but I do think he can be a very productive #2 or slot WR. I hope he does, and that the organization and fans give him a chance to grow into the role.

 

 

 

Edited May 26, 2018 by RocCityRoller

[row_33]

19 hours ago, JackKemp said:

Not saying Zay hasn't been disappointing, but I still believe the QB is key to a WR becoming good to great.

The next 2 WR's selected were JuJu Smith-Schuster and Cooper Kupp at #62 & #69, respectively.

 

Zay Jones (2017): 27 rec. for 317 yds & 2 TD's

Juju Smith-Schuster (2017): 58 rec. for 917 yds & 7 TD's

Cooper Kupp (2017): 62 rec. for 869 yds. & 5 TD's

 

You cannot tell me that Tyrod was as good a QB as Ben Rothlisberger and Jared Goff in the passing game. The talent of our WRs would need to be al universe to be able to match the better WRs in the league with Tyrod holding the ball and then running and refusing to throw slants.

 

A wise combo of stats and eye test are required to get the real picture. Can’t tell the stats people though....

 

 

[cd1]

Thing is...

 

Nobody faults Jones for passes over his head or in the stands (aka Taylor).  Unfortunately, we all witnessed way too many incidences where the ball went through his hands or bounced off his body, etc.

 

NFL WRs are paid to catch balls that get within arms reach. The ones that can't catch the balls are called "fans".

 

If it walks like a Hardy and talks like a Hardy, most of us start getting very suspicious (especially us old timers who don't have many more years to waste  )

 

Edited May 26, 2018 by cd1

[Nanker]

Hope they didn’t nick his spleen while they were scoping his knee. 

[row_33]

2 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Hope they didn’t nick his spleen while they were scoping his knee. 

 

It was supposed to be a circumlocution, oops

 

 

[starrymessenger]

No doubt JuJu and Kupp, operating in a more receiver friendly offence, outperformed Zay last year. And true they were drafted later. But Corey Davis and Mike Williams were both drafted way before and they pretty much struggled as well. 

I would still take Davis and Williams ahead of Kupp (and Zay) every day and twice on Sunday. So hopefully Zay too falls into that group of young receivers who take a while to acclimate.

JuJu's case is different IMO. I had him figured for a stud at the next level and I think that's been confirmed. Wish we had landed him but kudos to the Steelers who clearly know wide receivers. 

[26CornerBlitz]

2018 NFL season: One key homegrown player for each AFC team

Buffalo Bills: Zay Jones, Wide Receiver

 

Jones' jagged rookie campaign has been trumped by a rockier offseason. Last year's No. 37 overall pick incurred a felony vandalism charge, which was later dropped, sandwiched between shoulder surgery and a knee surgery that will keep him off the field during OTAs.

 

This is usually the part of a fledging player's career where he gets buried on the depth chart and needs to earn his spot back on the field after getting 791 snaps on rookie scholarship. But the Bills need Jones to play because their wideout depth chart might be the NFL's worst. Once he's healthy, the East Carolina product will need to cut down on his drops and do a better job coming up with contested catches, two factors in why he finished with the NFL's second-lowest "catch percentage" in 2017 for anyone with more than 50 targets, per PFF.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

 

[Gugny]

Do we know why this surgery didn't happen until late May?  Did he hurt it fighting for Jesus, or was it something that happened last season?

[BillnutinHouston]

On 5/25/2018 at 7:42 AM, ALF said:

I have confidence in Zay in the long run when healthy. 

 

I fully concur.  Zay will be fine.

[BillsFan692]

On 5/26/2018 at 10:31 AM, starrymessenger said:

No doubt JuJu and Kupp, operating in a more receiver friendly offence, outperformed Zay last year. And true they were drafted later. But Corey Davis and Mike Williams were both drafted way before and they pretty much struggled as well. 

I would still take Davis and Williams ahead of Kupp (and Zay) every day and twice on Sunday. So hopefully Zay too falls into that group of young receivers who take a while to acclimate.

JuJu's case is different IMO. I had him figured for a stud at the next level and I think that's been confirmed. Wish we had landed him but kudos to the Steelers who clearly know wide receivers. 

 

Really? The most obvious reason why WRs are so successful in Pittsburgh isn't there uncanny drafting ability -- it's the fact that they have BEN ROETHLISBERGER. I'm not even sure how you can compare it to a Tyrod Taylor led offense? Thats the biggest difference, in my mind.

You don't think if Zay Jones was drafted by Pitt he would have had a better season?:P

Not saying he's better than JuJu, but I know for sure he would have had a much better statistical season with Big Ben and that high flying offense.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

22 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Do we know why this surgery didn't happen until late May?  Did he hurt it fighting for Jesus, or was it something that happened last season?

 

Answered up-thread.  Speculation is it was torn meniscus from the Jets game, but they had to do the shoulder surgery first because, longer recovery time, then wait until he recovered enough to use crutches to do the knee

[Gugny]

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Answered up-thread.  Speculation is it was torn meniscus from the Jets game, but they had to do the shoulder surgery first because, longer recovery time, then wait until he recovered enough to use crutches to do the knee

 

Thanks, Hap.

 

I'm calling BS on this one (not that this is how it was reported; I just think it's untrue).

[YoloinOhio]

41 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Do we know why this surgery didn't happen until late May?  Did he hurt it fighting for Jesus, or was it something that happened last season?

He had to have the shoulder surgery first because that required longer recovery time than the knee surgery 

[Gugny]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

He had to have the shoulder surgery first because that required longer recovery time than the knee surgery 

 

Are you trying to say that I couldn't read what Hap wrote?

 

Reported.

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Thanks, Hap.

 

I'm calling BS on this one (not that this is how it was reported; I just think it's untrue).

Sorry didn’t see it was already answered. It actually wasn’t reported that way. It’s just looking at the surgeries he needed, the knee had to come 2nd. The recovery time of the shoulder impacted when he could have the knee done. 

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Are you trying to say that I couldn't read what Hap wrote?

 

Reported.

Dr. yolo is just trying to juggle answering medical questions in between my high level business meetings

Edited June 14, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Thanks, Hap.

I'm calling BS on this one (not that this is how it was reported; I just think it's untrue).

 

Nothing reported from the Bills or Zay Jones addressing this.  If the SS Buffalobills were a ship, McBeane seem determined loose lips won't be the cause of a sinking.

 

So it's speculation, but it's pretty informed speculation.  One source is "Banged Up Bills", a blog written by a guy with a doctorate in Physical Therapy.

Here's his article about it.  (He also tweets as @bangedupbills and works with Dr David Chao, the orthopedic surgeon and former team doc who assesses injuries online)

 

You're welcome to think whatcha like, me, I'll kinda go with "expert speculation" though, especially when it makes logical sense.  A lot of meniscal tears heal up with a couple months rest and PT.  Some don't, and then if you plan to use that joint any time soon ya better fix it.

 

[Gugny]

22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Nothing reported from the Bills or Zay Jones addressing this.  If the SS Buffalobills were a ship, McBeane seem determined loose lips won't be the cause of a sinking.

 

So it's speculation, but it's pretty informed speculation.  One source is "Banged Up Bills", a blog written by a guy with a doctorate in Physical Therapy.

Here's his article about it.  (He also tweets as @bangedupbills and works with Dr David Chao, the orthopedic surgeon and former team doc who assesses injuries online)

 

You're welcome to think whatcha like, me, I'll kinda go with "expert speculation" though, especially when it makes logical sense.  A lot of meniscal tears heal up with a couple months rest and PT.  Some don't, and then if you plan to use that joint any time soon ya better fix it.

 

 

Normally, I'd have no reason to not believe/subscribe to those theories/reasons for the timing of the surgery.

 

But we talkin' 'bout Zay.

[starrymessenger]

1 hour ago, BillsFan692 said:

 

Really? The most obvious reason why WRs are so successful in Pittsburgh isn't there uncanny drafting ability -- it's the fact that they have BEN ROETHLISBERGER. I'm not even sure how you can compare it to a Tyrod Taylor led offense? Thats the biggest difference, in my mind.

You don't think if Zay Jones was drafted by Pitt he would have had a better season?:P

Not saying he's better than JuJu, but I know for sure he would have had a much better statistical season with Big Ben and that high flying offense.

 

Well idk if I'd call it uncanny but there's no doubt that the Steelers draft WRs well - and better I would venture than the Bills have. Off the top I can think of only one guy of recent memory who probably flat out disappointed - Limas Sweed.

Of course having a HOF calibre QB  allows them to get the most out of their WR picks, and I agree that Bills receivers have been at a disadvantage for the most part with Tyrod who, except for the occasional long ball never struck me as throwing a receiver friendly ball. This was especially the case when Tyrod was asked to execute in an offence that did not suit him, like last year, which was also Zay's rookie year. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Zay is happy to be alive and finally be back on the field.

 

 

[Putin]

6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Zay is happy to be alive and finally be back on the field.

 

 

I wish him good luck !

i haven’t gave up on the kid yet , I still believe he can be a real productive #2 WR for us !!

[ColoradoBills]

12 minutes ago, Putin said:

I wish him good luck !

i haven’t gave up on the kid yet , I still believe he can be a real productive #2 WR for us !!

 

Same here.  I trust Terry Robiskie can turn Zay around and quickly get him up to speed.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

Same here.  I trust Terry Robiskie can turn Zay around and quickly get him up to speed.

 

He has only had mental reps in the new offense and has quite a bit of catching up to do.   The Bills really need him to be the guy they were expecting as a 2nd round pick they traded up for. 

 

[ColoradoBills]

9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He has only had mental reps in the new offense and has quite a bit of catching up to do.   The Bills really need him to be the guy they were expecting as a 2nd round pick they traded up for. 

 

 

Yep.  John Scott tweet is interesting.  It's a healthy reminder of his second chance in football and in life.

Buckle up your chin strap Zay and get to work!

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Yep.  John Scott tweet is interesting.  It's a healthy reminder of his second chance in football and in life.

Buckle up your chin strap Zay and get to work!

 

 

 

.damn right 'bro......non-football related "knee surgery" to repair a deep laceration during his "come to Jesus escapade" vaunted him to McD's "preferred (COUGH) list"....nothing like squandering a once if a lifetime opportunity that only 1,696 get each year.....

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

 

.damn right 'bro......non-football related "knee surgery" to repair a deep laceration during his "come to Jesus escapade" vaunted him to McD's "preferred (COUGH) list"....nothing like squandering a once if a lifetime opportunity that only 1,696 get each year.....

 

I'm sure Zay and McDermott have had some long talks about the off season.

Hopefully all that will soon be in the rear view mirror for the young man.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

19 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I'm sure Zay and McDermott have had some long talks about the off season.

Hopefully all that will soon be in the rear view mirror for the young man.

 

...sure as hell hope so bud...kid DOES have some talent.......squandering a GOLDEN opportunity is beyond my "pay grade of comprehension".....

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...sure as hell hope so bud...kid DOES have some talent.......squandering a GOLDEN opportunity is beyond my "pay grade of comprehension".....

 

Right you are.  On a lighter note, I'm sure glad that old "rotary" phone on our kitchen wall didn't take film of me when I was a kid.

We had a "party" line.  The whole town would of seen!

LOL

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

9 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Right you are.  On a lighter note, I'm sure glad that old "rotary" phone on our kitchen wall didn't take film of me when I was a kid.

We had a "party" line.  The whole town would of seen!

LOL

..LMAO!...so did we.....Hillside 5 02 08J.....perfect for nosy neighbors.......

[BillsFan4]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Yep.  John Scott tweet is interesting.  It's a healthy reminder of his second chance in football and in life.

Buckle up your chin strap Zay and get to work!

 

Maybe I am way out in left field with this thought, but if he’s using that day as a reminder/lesson, it gives me more hope that it isn’t some type of ongoing mental illness. 

 

Maybe it was just some type of mistake, like taking some type of substance that didn’t agree with him or something along those lines (which is much better than a mental illness IMO) 

[26CornerBlitz]

Zay Jones thankful he can resume his career

Sunday marked not only the first practice of training camp for Zay Jones, but the first practice of the 2018 calendar year. To say it was a tumultuous offseason for the second-year receiver would be an understatement.

 

First, there was surgery for a torn labrum in January, an injury he played with through the second half of the season. Second, was the bizarre incident at an apartment complex in Los Angeles that left him bloody and injured. And finally knee surgery in the spring that cost him all of spring practice.

 

In his first interview with the media, questions gravitated to what happened in L.A. Jones chose not to get into detail, but clearly understands how fortunate he is that he can continue his playing career.

 

“McDermott and Beane, everyone has been in my corner,” Jones said. “This organization brought me here. They know what they have in me and the type of person I am and the character I uphold and the type of player I am. I don’t think they would’ve drafted me if they didn’t believe that. I’m grateful to be here with this organization. I want to see this organization move in the right direction and win ball games and that’s what I’m here to do.”

[ColoradoBills]

13 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

Maybe I am way out in left field with this thought, but if he’s using that day as a reminder/lesson, it gives me more hope that it isn’t some type of ongoing mental illness. 

 

Maybe it was just some type of mistake, like taking some type of substance that didn’t agree with him or something along those lines (which is much better than a mental illness IMO) 

 

Lets be real.  There is no "left field" with any thoughts about what we all saw.

One can only hope he has a handle on whatever it was.

[26CornerBlitz]

Zay Jones: "Great to be Moving Forward" (7:01)

WR Zay Jones returned to the practice field for the first time since last season. He addressed the media after practice topics include; getting back to playing football, love and respect his had gotten from his teammates, and progressing in year two.

[Boatdrinks]

I liked Smith -Schuster in last years draft , and was disappointed the Bills passed on him. I was sold when I watched his workout at USC and saw his backstory and interaction with his family. I see a single mindedness of purpose in JJSS, when I see Zay Jones I see a “ thousand yard stare” into outer space. I hope I’m wrong . 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Juice_32]

3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

 

.damn right 'bro......non-football related "knee surgery" to repair a deep laceration during his "come to Jesus escapade" vaunted him to McD's "preferred (COUGH) list"....nothing like squandering a once if a lifetime opportunity that only 1,696 get each year.....

 

By the sounds of it you have the whole story? Please share.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Juice_32 said:

 

By the sounds of it you have the whole story? Please share.

 

 

....just what I read from several news outlets......end of story...