CuddyDark Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Cut to the chase: If Allen turns into a perfect clone of Cam, is it good enough? Compared to Tyrod? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, NoSaint said: They are common in being unpolished shut huge talents... beyond that, spotty. Not terrible but spotty as a comparable Yep. Some clear similarities, a bunch of differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Short term if Allen is Cam, or Cam like Bills will win games. I don't know what means long term though. In the short, play defense, run the QB which opens Shady and possession receivers. It's a good formula for short term success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 The Bills would have destroyed Newton, by not giving him the time nor surrounding him with the players he needed to develop. This does not give me a warm, fuzzy feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 IMO if Allen had cleaned up the accuracy just a little bit and played (and performed well) at a "football factory" school, he'd be the clear #1 pick this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: He is. I consider him a franchise QB but lower level one. He's not elite. He is way too inconsistent to be elite. The group you are talking about has like 5 qbs in it......we should definately be happy if we ended up with a "low end franchise qb" whatever that actually means anyway 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, DC Tom said: The Bills would have destroyed Newton, by not giving him the time nor surrounding him with the players he needed to develop. This does not give me a warm, fuzzy feeling. Really? Rookie Cam had Steve Smith, Greg Olsen, and Williams / Stewart. That's ALL. I don't think Shady / Clay / Benjamin is THAT far off what Cam was working with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 This shouldn't be surprising I guess. Beanes description of what a franchise QB looks like to him sounded an awful lot like Newton. Allen was the closest to that description, though there are many differences ;he was a late bloomer in a mediocre conference on a bad team. It's safe to say he sees a player capable of similar things in the NFL as Newton has done. It's also clear that his ideal franchise QB did not sound like Josh Rosen. Beane took a gamble on greatness, and it's too big a risk in my estimation. Admittedly I haven't done nearly the research that he and the Bills scouting department have, and it's not my job on the line either. I sure hope it works out and I'm rooting for the guy to be the QB we haven't seen around here in a long time. If he ends up a comparable of Newton, I'd be happy with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 48 minutes ago, wppete said: I bet If you look at Luke Kuechlys scouting report it looks similar to Tremain Edmunds. Josh Allen - Cam Newton Tremain Edmunds - Luke Kuechly Tremaine isn't Luke. Luke had phenomenal instincts, but Tremaine just isn't there yet. He just makes up for it with raw athleticism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Big Wonderlic disparity too Allen 37 , Newton 21. The main thing about the comparison is that a big, strong armed QB who had foot work issues became a stud NFL QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Yep. Some clear similarities, a bunch of differences. Itll sound crazy at first but.... Andrew luck? Prototype build, high IQ, sub-60% career completion percentage, big arm, mobile but not a big time runner... obviously very different pedigrees, but... would that be a better current comp for Allen’s upside (ignoring the shoulder injury) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 If you look at my scouting report, I'm quite similar to George Clooney. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Just now, NoSaint said: Itll sound crazy at first but.... Andrew luck? Prototype build, high IQ, sub-60% career completion percentage, big arm, mobile but not a big time runner... obviously very different pedigrees, but... would that be a better current comp for Allen’s upside (ignoring the shoulder injury) It's Wentz. Identical measurables, FCS School, Same college coach & system, 2 full years of production. The whole shabang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Tremaine isn't Luke. Luke had phenomenal instincts, but Tremaine just isn't there yet. He just makes up for it with raw athleticism. Agree , not the same player. He's still learning the position, so hopefully he improves in that area. He does have the ability to make up for a misstep though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: What really separates Newton is 4,320 rushing yards and 54 rushing TDs over his career. Different offenses. Allen could easily run for 1,000 yards in Gus Malzahn's offense. Allen has that ability with his legs. What separates them is Newton's ability to put the team on his back. Make the plays to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4life1924 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If in an imaginary world, Josh Allen was a former JUCO champion, BCS champion, and Heisman winner with 66% completion and 1400 yds rushing his last college year, most fans would be ecstatic too. Got me there lol.. Guy has potential, he could pan out, he may not pan out. But fans/media bashing him should atleast give him a chance and Let's wait to see what happens before labeling him a bust. Everyone is gonna have their opinion I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Tremaine isn't Luke. Luke had phenomenal instincts, but Tremaine just isn't there yet. He just makes up for it with raw athleticism. Agreed he is not there yet. However only 19, the most athletic ILB I have ever seen, incredible size and length and come from a football family. At the end of the day I believe Tremaine ends up a better ILB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Compared to Tyrod? Yes. What about compared to our mythical Magical Franchise Man who will lead our team to glory and 5 SB wins? 6 minutes ago, Bills4life1924 said: Got me there lol.. Guy has potential, he could pan out, he may not pan out. But fans/media bashing him should atleast give him a chance and Let's wait to see what happens before labeling him a bust. Everyone is gonna have their opinion I guess. Oh, agree completely on the "see what happens before calling him a bust" bit. Someone else said it, draft grades right after the draft are pretty f*'in pointless. As I've said before, I would have strongly preferred Rosen, not based on pundits but based on watching a buttload of game tape and scouting vid. - also my own previous errors of thinking two QBs with low completion % would improve. I have my fears that our gang made a draft choice for non-football reasons. But even though Allen is raw I can also see obvious football reasons why some scouts would rank him higher. And he's ours now, so I'll pull for his success! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: It's Wentz. Identical measurables, FCS School, Same college coach & system, 2 full years of production. The whole shabang. Yea- I was trying to give a curveball that relied on traits and stepped away from pedigree. Wentz is the obvious choice but I think folks forget that luck is athletic and sub 60%. Identical wonderlic scores too. If you dropped allen at Stanford under harbaugh would we talk about them more similarly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 1 hour ago, wppete said: I bet If you look at Luke Kuechlys scouting report it looks similar to Tremain Edmunds. Josh Allen - Cam Newton Tremain Edmunds - Luke Kuechly Star - Star Tolbert - Tolbert Benjamin - Benjamin On and on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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