Jerome007 Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 On 5/1/2018 at 9:40 PM, TheBrownBear said: I'm not sure he starts over McCarron right out of the gate, but I think he's more than capable of taking the job at some point during the season. It really depends on how well AJ plays. Expand Isn't good that the Bills might have two decent if not good QB on the rosters? Some people B word and moan all the time. If they both suck during the season, sure, complain. But as of now I'd say it's a step up to times with EJ / Cardale / Joe Webb as backups! And they might actually be really good. Time will tell. All Bills QBs need some better OL & WR teammates though...
theRalph Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 How do we really know how bad our receivers are? It was used as Tyrod’s excuse. But don’t great QBs make their receivers look better?? I’m betting Benjamin, Jones, Holmes, and Streater look better this season with AJ or Josh. And though the pin heads think the roster ends with the draft, the Bills will bring in a name receiver well before camp. 1
BuffaloBillyG Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) Myth: Josh Allen once wrestled 6 gators at rhe same time...and won. Fact: It was 8 gators and a beaver. He still won. Edited May 1, 2018 by No Place To Hyde 1
Wayne Arnold Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 On 5/1/2018 at 9:16 PM, theRalph said: I am completely exasperated with WGR550 and especially Pontiff Schopp and his loyal sidekick Bulldog. Bovada released the over/under for the number of games the fresh class of QBs will start. Allen is at the top at 10.5 games. The Pontiff completely dismisses this - because Allen is the least ready to start in the NFL. This is utter horse-hockey. To wit: - Allen played in a pro style offense with a lot of power to change plays and call protections. He operated from under center and the shotgun. He was not in a pass-happy spread offense that afforded the many attempts that, say, Mayfield had (Allen 270, Mayfield 440 in 2017). -Allen was under pressure A LOT at Wyoming with a bad O-Line. And yet he won 8 games in both 2016 and 2017. -Though WGR looked under rocks to find draft analysts, many premier observers of the game listed him as the best QB (Prisco, Mayock, Phil Simms for example) -The accuracy question is crap. I watched all his games. He generally put balls right on the receivers unless he was under great pressure or throwing on the run, but sailed balls are few. Watch Wyoming vs. Oregon. There are at least three drops in the first quarter. Josh Allen is not a messy project. And you're likely a Bills' fan, so you want to know the truth. WATCH THE GAMES. Allen is Money and will start 9/9/18, as I have been maintaining on this forum. And Schopp: Decide for yourself rather than listen to the draftniks. Were they truly excellent talent evaluators - they would be in the NFL and not behind a computer. Out. Expand They're right about one thing: Allen isn't ready to start. Because his fundamentals and footwork need so much work.
BullBuchanan Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 He might be the least pro-ready QB prospect ever taken in the first round, based strictly off production and skillset. Watching the games that were shared in another thread, the kid just heaves the ball around hoping someone will get it. I've got to hand it to him, he probably throws the prettiest interceptions of anyone I've ever seen. The fact remains though that's he's pretty much a one-look guy who stares down receivers, loves to throw the ball across his body to the opposite end of the field int he hopes that everything will be fine. It won't be. The kid has a good arm, and escapabililty under pressure. He lacks short and long accuracy, knowledge of what his receivers can and can't do, sound judgement under pressure, and the ability to diagnose a D for maximum YAC. If Al Davis were alive he would've traded the farm to take this kid #1 overall. Until he proves otherwise, he's JaMarcus Russel with atleticism and a nice wonderlic score. 1
GG Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 On 5/1/2018 at 9:30 PM, Straight Hucklebuck said: I’m not trying to be lazy or claim that I’m an expert. I didn’t state Cardale was better, just asking the group how is Allen better/different than Cardale? My overarching point/question is? What exactly did Beane and McDermott see in Allen that made them willing to move Glenn, #12, #53, #56? Was it deeper than he’s tall and played in Wyoming before? Admittedly, my opinion of Allen is mostly comprised of “expert” opinion, namely Greg Cosell. I did not watch Wyoming Cowboy games. Expand You base your opinion on the views of a single analyst and didn't watch any film to develop your own opinion, yet don't consider that lazy? Watch film of both Allen and Jones, and you will recognize the differences in their potential.
Golden Goat Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 What's not a myth: Last year Allen threw to 2 sophomores and a bunch of freshmen. What's also not a myth: Last year, not one Wyoming RB, WR or TE was a returning starter. These guys on WGR should... Well, it has to do with a finger and rotation.
theRalph Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 On 5/1/2018 at 10:09 PM, Wayne Arnold said: They're right about one thing: Allen isn't ready to start. Because his fundamentals and footwork need so much work. Expand Why? Because some analytics nerd said so? Because that’s what you’ve been told? Mason Rudolph is a mess. Not Allen. He is a natural thrower and has made great footwork strides even at the Senior Bowl. He completely outplayed Mayfield at the SB. 1
Inigo Montoya Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) It's hard enough for a young player transitioning to the pros and dealing with being under the media microscope when you become the "Face of the Franchise." It's even more difficult when the local sports media decides that you are a bust before you have taken a single snap and begin to champion your down fall. For all the talk of how great the Bill's Mafia is, there are definitely segments of it that have been scarred by the last twenty years and seem to enjoy complaining about how bad the Bills are more than they enjoy cheering them on. Edited May 1, 2018 by Inigo Montoya 1
Wayne Arnold Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 On 5/1/2018 at 10:15 PM, theRalph said: Why? Because some analytics nerd said so? Because that’s what you’ve been told? Mason Rudolph is a mess. Not Allen. He is a natural thrower and has made great footwork strides even at the Senior Bowl. He completely outplayed Mayfield at the SB. Expand Because when you watch him play for Wyoming in 2016, his footwork is horrible. He even admitted it throughout the draft process.
John from Riverside Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 On 5/1/2018 at 10:09 PM, Wayne Arnold said: They're right about one thing: Allen isn't ready to start. Because his fundamentals and footwork need so much work. Expand I also think he is not ready to start....and really could benefit from a year of holding a clipboard. That doesnt mean its a bad pick....give him a Mahommes treatment year. 2
theRalph Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 On 5/1/2018 at 10:10 PM, BullBuchanan said: Until he proves otherwise, he's JaMarcus Russel with atleticism and a nice wonderlic score. Expand Haters gonna hate. Hate on pal.
Max Fischer Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 I want McCarron and Peterman to really set up their play and hopefully Allen is good enough to beat them for the job.
DrDawkinstein Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 Nothing to link to, but Josh Allen has deleted that disgusting picture of him in a Brady jersey from his twitter. Let's go! 1
theRalph Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 12:56 AM, Dark said: Why trade up for Allen? He's gonna be a bust. Expand Because professionals who know a lot more than you chose him. Read what you wrote. You don’t know schmit. Go troll the Patriots.
Rock'em Sock'em Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 The more game videos I watch, the more I believe Allen will be good sooner rather than later. Senior Bowl Stats (North) Passing C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT Josh Allen 9/13 158 12.2 2 0 Tanner Lee 8/19 86 4.5 0 1 Baker Mayfield 3/7 9 1.3 0 0 TEAM 20/39 253 6.5 2 1 Rushing CAR YDS AVG TD LONG Kalen Ballage 10 57 5.7 0 16 Akrum Wadley 8 38 4.8 0 15 Jaylen Samuels 10 37 3.7 0 8 Josh Allen 5 19 3.8 0 12 Dimitri Flowers 1 6 6.0 0 6 Baker Mayfield 1 -4 -4.0 0 0 Tanner Lee 1 -6 -6.0 0 0 TEAM 36 147 4.1 0 16 2
theRalph Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 12:57 AM, jlgarsh said: Awful. I feel sick. Could have got him at 12 Expand Arizona was coming for him. He would never have lasted til 12. You’re....just....wrong. Don’t feel sick. Be happy!
Carter Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 On 5/2/2018 at 4:11 AM, theRalph said: Arizona was coming for him. He would never have lasted til 12. You’re....just....wrong. Don’t feel sick. Be happy! Expand Arizona had Rosen rated #1 the entire time. Allen was 5 on their list. This is just wrong.
NickelCity Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 On 5/2/2018 at 1:45 AM, DrDawkinstein said: Nothing to link to, but Josh Allen has deleted that disgusting picture of him in a Brady jersey from his twitter. Let's go! Expand Good. I'm still steamed about it. Who the !@#$ wears pats* gear?
billspro Posted May 2, 2018 Posted May 2, 2018 On 5/2/2018 at 4:42 AM, Carter said: Arizona had Rosen rated #1 the entire time. Allen was 5 on their list. This is just wrong. Expand Pretty sure you made that up. On 5/2/2018 at 2:39 AM, Rock'em Sock'em said: The more game videos I watch, the more I believe Allen will be good sooner rather than later. Senior Bowl Stats (North) Passing C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT Josh Allen 9/13 158 12.2 2 0 Tanner Lee 8/19 86 4.5 0 1 Baker Mayfield 3/7 9 1.3 0 0 TEAM 20/39 253 6.5 2 1 Rushing CAR YDS AVG TD LONG Kalen Ballage 10 57 5.7 0 16 Akrum Wadley 8 38 4.8 0 15 Jaylen Samuels 10 37 3.7 0 8 Josh Allen 5 19 3.8 0 12 Dimitri Flowers 1 6 6.0 0 6 Baker Mayfield 1 -4 -4.0 0 0 Tanner Lee 1 -6 -6.0 0 0 TEAM 36 147 4.1 0 16 Expand Mayfield was terrible in the senior bowl game. He has an issue with holding the ball too long. He is going to have to clean that up at the NFL level if he wants to succeed. Allen’s senior bowl was fantastic. I can hardly wait to see what he does with NFL talent in minicamp and training camp. 3
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