Prediction Rudolph will go before Rosen if the Bills are selecting a QB at 12

[Mojo44]

The quarterback situation in this year’s draft is insane.  However, I find the OP ‘s prediction to be rather improbable given all the information that’s floating out there about these quarterbacks. If the Browns take Darnold the Jets will likely take Rosen.His history of concussions is a non-issue. They are healed. Concussions do that when you give them time. To me the whole issue with his “attitude” is overblown. If somehow the bills got him I would be quite happy. Although I’d rather they not blow all their draft picks on moving up and yesterday at 12 and see who they get. If Allen falls to us at 12 great.But I would be happy with  Rudolf or Jackson.

 

 To me, Mayfield is the biggest risk in this draft. He is short, and please don’t cherry pick Brees or Wilson,  he is not either of those guys.   Plus he is a pure system quarterback who routinely Played against absolutely horrible big 12 defenses, as did Rudolph by the way.

 

 Also, Mayfield is the one to be concerned about his “attitude.“ It’s one thing to be cocky. It’s another thing to be an A-hole.   I really hope the bills do not get him. Way too much of a risk in my opinion for many reasons! Between Mayfield and Allen, I would take Allen in a heartbeat.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Jackson is a better prospect than Rudolph. So there is that too!

Edited March 26, 2018 by horned dogs

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

Typo on Iphone. Stop making excuses for you not understanding the difference between Guy and Guys It’s embarrassing. 

 

Right...which is why you went back to edit it.  If it was so clear and concise, no need to edit it.  

I can't wait to see this thread come back up on draft day when Rosen is taking in the top 5.....

[smuvtalker]

42 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

My QB of choice is Mayfield.  I feel he's the no. 1 QB in the draft.

 

When people state they think he's going to be a bust I don't lose my you know what and "trash" the poster claiming otherwise. 

 

 Whoever we draft I will root for.  I'm a Bills fan first and won't let my own opinions of these QBs pre draft and who I like most impact my support down the line.  Most importantly I'm not going to think less or talk down to fans I disagree with over which QB is going to be the best or a bust. 

I share your sentiments regarding talking down to people who don't align with your opinions.  We are all Bills fans, and because we all share the same passion and love for our team, it should bring us all closer, and in many ways it has.  There's NO denying we have some absolutely brilliant posters who have an unparalleled DEARTH of football knowledge, team knowledge.  Countless times I am taken aback by some of the things my fellow TBDs know and share.

 

However, this site CAN get brutal.  Opinionated, passionate people can get worked up over our Bills, me included.  One thing I've learned since becoming a member 13 years ago is to grow thicker skin lol.  And if you post something stupid, be prepared to get roasted and torched....

 

The draft can't come soon enough.  All of us are on edge waiting to see what McBeane and company do.  The Jets deal for the number 3 pick really, really irked me and I have had a bad taste in my mouth ever since.  Tempers are flaring, people are ready for the draft TONIGHT.   And with every useless, poorly thought out, silly LAMP it just makes many people more agitated.  

 

Don't worry my friend.  Once the draft comes and we're sitting pretty with our Franchise QB of the future, plus hopefully 4 or 5 quality starters, we will all join hands and sing kumbaya....virtually.

 

And btw, I love Mayfield and will be ecstatic if we get him.  Rosen is my first choice but Mayfield is right there with him..

Edited March 26, 2018 by smuvtalker

[MDH]

The thing that stood out to me in your assessment of Rosen was when you said that you’d have to consider whether or not you’d support him if he was drafted by the Bills. This suggests to me that your big issue with him isn’t his ability or his QB play but something he said. You don’t like the guy as a person - not an NFL prospect. If it was just about his QB play of course you’d support him and hope for the best even if youd didn’t think he’d turn out to be a quality starter.

 

That it’s somehow personal to you colors everything else you’ve said about him. 

 

[BillsFan4]

This thread is just more proof that the people who are adamantly against Rosen, are that way mainly because of his political views ans not because of his actual play on the field. 

 

If Beane let's politics decide what QB he drafts, I want him fired immediately. That is the dumbest reason ever to draft/not draft a QB. 

3 minutes ago, MDH said:

The thing that stood out to me in your assessment of Rosen was when you said that you’d have to consider whether or not you’d support him if he was drafted by the Bills. This suggests to me that your big issue with him isn’t his ability or his QB play but something he said. You don’t like the guy as a person - not an NFL prospect. If it was just about his QB play of course you’d support him and hope for the best even if youd didn’t think he’d turn out to be a quality starter.

 

That it’s somehow personal to you colors everything else you’ve said about him. 

 

Exactly. 

 

 

[17 Josh Allen]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Right...which is why you went back to edit it.  If it was so clear and concise, no need to edit it.  

I can't wait to see this thread come back up on draft day when Rosen is taking in the top 5.....

You can bet I will even if Rosen goes top 5. I will admit I’m wrong. I have no problem doing that. 

 

Ok Guys or is it Guy 

Edited March 26, 2018 by Thurmanator 12074

[Bills Pimpin']

I could buy into the idea that Rosen has an Aaron Rodgers type fall in the draft. The question is will he play even close to as well as Rodgers. They seem eerily similar to me. Bills must take him if for some reason he falls to them. In fact, if he makes it past the Broncos at 5 then he should prolly make a trade with the Bucs to get him at 7.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

You can bet I will even if Rosen goes top 5. I will admit I’m wrong. I have no problem doing that. 

 

Ok Guys or is it Guy 

 

Okay good.  Hopefully he will be okay with playing for a team on that's not on the west cost.  

[Dr. Who]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

This thread is just more proof that the people who are adamantly against Rosen, are that way mainly because of his political views ans not because of his actual play on the field. 

 

If Beane let's politics decide what QB he drafts, I want him fired immediately. That is the dumbest reason ever to draft/not draft a QB. 

Exactly. 

 

 

Yep.  I am far from Rosen on politics and religion.  So what?  I'm looking for the best qb for my football team.  (Happen to think it's Mayfield, but Rosen is right there.)

 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said:

I doubt Rudolph will be drafted before Rosen...but my money is on Rudolph to have a better NFL career.

We here at UCLA know a little something about Josh. His biggest challenge will be staying healthy!

[Kirby Jackson]

Odds of Rudolph going before Rosen:

 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

We here at UCLA know a little something about Josh. His biggest challenge will be staying healthy!

That's my main concern with him and it is a worry.

[Royale with Cheese]

Trust the OP when it comes to his QB evaluations.  We should believe him when he says Rudolph is a better QB than Rosen and it's not even close.

 

 

[17 Josh Allen]

31 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

This thread is just more proof that the people who are adamantly against Rosen, are that way mainly because of his political views ans not because of his actual play on the field. 

 

If Beane let's politics decide what QB he drafts, I want him fired immediately. That is the dumbest reason ever to draft/not draft a QB. 

Exactly. 

 

 

 

He is fragile and has lots of Injury issues. 

His team mates really don’t like him or hang with him hence how can he lead a NFL team. There are many reports about that. He rubs people the wrong way with his demeanor and the way he comes across.  He is not a team player, never once did I mention politics. He does not need the NFL to earn a living he set financially.  He is not a good leader by example. 

 

some good intel about him 

 

 

Durability is a concern. Carries slight build and has had injury issues dating back to high school. Carries ball low in pocket with slight upward pre-throw hitch. Too casual in pocket set-up. Decision making and post-snap reads are inconsistent. Refuses easy throws at times. Arm talent and strength are below average. May need to make greater effort to drive field and seam throws. Poor career deep ball completion rate. Excess air under ball allows challenges. Lacks gun to challenge safeties with rip throws over the top. Needs better anticipation. Poor mobility. Struggles to elude early pressure. Completed just 42.4 percent of his throws when forced to move. Too much hero ball. Extends plays and takes unnecessary chances rather than throwing it away. Scouts question his passion for football and whether he will be a willing student.

 

 

This sounds like a guy that should be drafted late 1st round or early 2nd round to me. This guy will drop like a rock in this draft you can count on it. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 26, 2018 by Thurmanator 12074

[SouthNYfan]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Odds of Rudolph going before Rosen:

 

 

I think you're rounding up.

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Yep.  I am far from Rosen on politics and religion.  So what?  I'm looking for the best qb for my football team.  (Happen to think it's Mayfield, but Rosen is right there.)

 

 

I really hope we draft Rosen now after this thread.

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I really hope we draft Rosen now after this thread.

I like Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold as fellas you'd have to trade up to get.  (I presume Darnold is going first overall to someone.)

I would take Allen or Jackson at twelve if I couldn't move up.

[smuvtalker]

28 minutes ago, Kemp said:

This isn't about how the QBs will perform. It's about where they will be selected and the only way Rudolph goes before Rosen is if Rosen dies or falls into a coma.

Lolol funny yet cold!  ?

14 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

I could buy into the idea that Rosen has an Aaron Rodgers type fall in the draft. The question is will he play even close to as well as Rodgers. They seem eerily similar to me. Bills must take him if for some reason he falls to them. In fact, if he makes it past the Broncos at 5 then he should prolly make a trade with the Bucs to get him at 7.

I just don't think he falls, at all to be honest.  The red flags that keep getting mentioned are probably more smokescreens to deter some GMs to pass on him.  If the Browns take Darnold at 1, I fully expect either the Giants or whoever swings the trade into 2 (us presumably) to take Rosen.  I don't believe he makes it out of the top 5.

[SouthNYfan]

1 hour ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

If The Bills are staying at 12 and there choice is between Rudolph or Rosen, I predict the Bills will select Rudolph. I’m praying the Jets take Rosen. Rosen does not fit the Bills or this towns culture, nor does he seem to fit the Process that Coach McD has instituted on this team. I also think that Rosen will be the biggest bust at QB in this draft. I have him rated outside the top 8 and in my opinion he will be that QB that drops in this draft. The TV networks will keep showing him in the green room with all the game day pundits on TV savaging him and us TV viewers with stories of why he’s dropping. To me he has the most red flags and problems. Also I will have to question weather I want to support him as a Bills QB if he were to get drafted by the Bills. My opinion is the Bills are targeting Josh Allen and Mason Rudolph. If they trade up to the 6th pick with the colts I can see them getting Josh Allen. This would have to be done on draft day after the Broncos pick. So the way I see this playing out is Darnold to the Browns, Chubb to NYG, Baker Mayfield to the Jets then Barkley to the Browns. Then you have Den, who knows what will happen there. Then at 6 if we trade up with the Colts we get to select the number 1 QB on the Bills draft board Josh Allen. The other way this works out is the Bills trade up to 4. Then trade 4 to the NYG to get to the 2nd pick and take Josh Allen at #2. In my opinion Allen is the target for Bean with Rudolph as his fall back position for QB at 12. As far as Rosen this guy is going to be the biggest bust of the draft QB class. The more I listen to him talk and see what his team mates had to say about him the less I like him. He is skinny and injury prone. If anyone has watched the Movie Draft day 

Rosen is this drafts Bo Callahan or a real life Johnny Manziel. 

 

I didn't know Johnny manziel wasn't "real life"

 

I do know that you are completely wrong, guaranteed, and Rosen will go before Rudolph.

 

That's a fact, barring Rosen drastically injuring himself or murdering somebody pre-draft.

 

 

[Dr. Who]

Don't see it happening, but the best thing for us would be for Mayfield or Rosen to drop to twelve.  I can barely see it possible for Mayfield.

[smuvtalker]

14 minutes ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

 

He is fragile and has lots of Injury issues. 

His team mates really don’t like him or hang with him hence how can he lead a NFL team. There are many reports about that. He rubs people the wrong way with his demeanor and the way he comes across.  He is not a team player, never once did I mention politics. He does not need the NFL to earn a living he set financially.  He is not a good leader by example. 

 

some good intel about him 

 

 

Durability is a concern. Carries slight build and has had injury issues dating back to high school. Carries ball low in pocket with slight upward pre-throw hitch. Too casual in pocket set-up. Decision making and post-snap reads are inconsistent. Refuses easy throws at times. Arm talent and strength are below average. May need to make greater effort to drive field and seam throws. Poor career deep ball completion rate. Excess air under ball allows challenges. Lacks gun to challenge safeties with rip throws over the top. Needs better anticipation. Poor mobility. Struggles to elude early pressure. Completed just 42.4 percent of his throws when forced to move. Too much hero ball. Extends plays and takes unnecessary chances rather than throwing it away. Scouts question his passion for football and whether he will be a willing student.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I heard multiple people that either knew him personally or met him say that Peyton Manning is one of the biggest a-holes they've ever known.  

 

I'd take him and his a-holistic, douchebag personality 1000 times out of a 1000.

[bigK14094]

1 hour ago, buffalobloodfloridahome said:

Rudolph is a system qb with hugely inflated numbers from a system that rarely anyone becomes successful in the NFL with. He has an ok arm decent accuracy nice touch on his deep balls, yet he is way less accomplished than Rosen who had a crappy team around him and shows incredible accuracy and vision as well as pocket presence and is an intellectual. I personally wouldn't draft Rudolph in the first round he is second or third rd talent probably a career backup.

You may be correct that he is a system QB, but, that does not preclude him being an NFL starter and a good one.  Maybe not first year, but, given a little time, can't say that isn't possible.

[buffaloaggie]

Mason Rudolph was rated as the weakest arm of the top six QBs by CBS. Yet, if you read about one of his receivers, James Washington had the most receptions of 20 yards downfield of any player in the NCAA. So, I guess we can throw out CBS as a credible player rating source. I'm in on Rudolph, and the Bills can stand pat to draft him, keeping their other picks. Drafting James Washington wouldn't be a bad idea either.

[bigK14094]

42 minutes ago, horned dogs said:

Jackson is a better prospect than Rudolph. So there is that too!

Jackson is TT Version 2.0

[17 Josh Allen]

mock draft Rosen drops to cards at 15 lots of red flags boys. I’m telling you this guy is a cancer. 

 

[BillsFan17]

1 minute ago, buffaloaggie said:

Mason Rudolph was rated as the weakest arm of the top six QBs by CBS. Yet, if you read about one of his receivers, James Washington had the most receptions of 20 yards downfield of any player in the NCAA. So, I guess we can throw out CBS as a credible player rating source. I'm in on Rudolph, and the Bills can stand pat to draft him, keeping their other picks. Drafting James Washington wouldn't be a bad idea either.

People also said Watson had a weak arm cause he couldn't ramp up the RPMs at the combine. We all saw how well that translated to the NFL.

 

I'll take anticipation and accuracy all day over a rocket arm.

[fridge]

1 minute ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

mock draft Rosen drops to cards at 15 lots of red flags boys. I’m telling you this guy is a cancer. 

 

 

You haven’t listed any red flags. You just mentioned he is a bad teammate without any sources.

 

Please list his red flags. It seems political.

[17 Josh Allen]

When there smoke there is fire. This Dude Rosen will drop, he is the problem child of this 1st round. Might drop all the way down to the Pats. 

Edited March 26, 2018 by Thurmanator 12074

[snamsnoops]

7 hours ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

If The Bills are staying at 12 and there choice is between Rudolph or Rosen, I predict the Bills will select Rudolph. I’m praying the Jets take Rosen. Rosen does not fit the Bills or this towns culture, nor does he seem to fit the Process that Coach McD has instituted on this team. I also think that Rosen will be the biggest bust at QB in this draft. I have him rated outside the top 8 and in my opinion he will be that QB that drops in this draft. The TV networks will keep showing him in the green room with all the game day pundits on TV savaging him and us TV viewers with stories of why he’s dropping. To me he has the most red flags and problems. Also I will have to question weather I want to support him as a Bills QB if he were to get drafted by the Bills. My opinion is the Bills are targeting Josh Allen and Mason Rudolph. If they trade up to the 6th pick with the colts I can see them getting Josh Allen. This would have to be done on draft day after the Broncos pick. So the way I see this playing out is Darnold to the Browns, Chubb to NYG, Baker Mayfield to the Jets then Barkley to the Browns. Then you have Den, who knows what will happen there. Then at 6 if we trade up with the Colts we get to select the number 1 QB on the Bills draft board Josh Allen. The other way this works out is the Bills trade up to 4. Then trade 4 to the NYG to get to the 2nd pick and take Josh Allen at #2. In my opinion Allen is the target for Bean with Rudolph as his fall back position for QB at 12. As far as Rosen this guy is going to be the biggest bust of the draft QB class. The more I listen to him talk and see what his team mates had to say about him the less I like him. He is skinny and injury prone. If anyone has watched the Movie Draft day 

Rosen is this drafts Bo Callahan or a real life Johnny Manziel. 

Predict you are wrong...

If Rosen is gone by our pick and Mayfield is still on board, I predict they take him. I also predict the bills have a higher draft grade on both Rosen and Mayfield. Rudolph is like a 2nd-3rd round talent! Jmo

Edited March 26, 2018 by snamsnoops

[17 Josh Allen]

2 minutes ago, fridge said:

 

You haven’t listed any red flags. You just mentioned he is a bad teammate without any sources.

 

Please list his red flags. It seems political.

Stop bring politics into this never once in this thread did I ever mention politics. 

 

Durability is a concern. Carries slight build and has had injury issues dating back to high school. Carries ball low in pocket with slight upward pre-throw hitch. Too casual in pocket set-up. Decision making and post-snap reads are inconsistent. Refuses easy throws at times. Arm talent and strength are below average. May need to make greater effort to drive field and seam throws. Poor career deep ball completion rate. Excess air under ball allows challenges. Lacks gun to challenge safeties with rip throws over the top. Needs better anticipation. Poor mobility. Struggles to elude early pressure. Completed just 42.4 percent of his throws when forced to move. Too much hero ball. Extends plays and takes unnecessary chances rather than throwing it away. Scouts question his passion for football and whether he will be a willing student.

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

When there smoke there fire. This Dude Rosen will drop, he is the problem child of this 1st round. 

Might drop all the way down to the Pats. 

 

If Rosen drops, and we take Rudolph over him, our entire front office should be fired and checked for mental health problems.

[CuddyDark]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I don't agree with this.  They'll take the best QB that is available.  

 

1 hour ago, horned dogs said:

Not that far down they don't, won't. So instead of all talent, no fit...then McD all fit, no talent. Hmmm

I believe they see team building and chemistry as more important that talent alone. If they had Allen at 80 and Rudolph at 75 I put money on them taking Rudolph.

[buffaloaggie]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

People also said Watson had a weak arm cause he couldn't ramp up the RPMs at the combine. We all saw how well that translated to the NFL.

 

I'll take anticipation and accuracy all day over a rocket arm.

The last point you make should eliminate Josh Allen. Rosen has too many red flags. I made this point months ago, a QB from SoCal with a non-fiery disposition equals Rob Johnson V2.0

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

Stop bring politics into this never once in this thread did I ever mention politics. 

 

Durability is a concern. Carries slight build and has had injury issues dating back to high school. Carries ball low in pocket with slight upward pre-throw hitch. Too casual in pocket set-up. Decision making and post-snap reads are inconsistent. Refuses easy throws at times. Arm talent and strength are below average. May need to make greater effort to drive field and seam throws. Poor career deep ball completion rate. Excess air under ball allows challenges. Lacks gun to challenge safeties with rip throws over the top. Needs better anticipation. Poor mobility. Struggles to elude early pressure. Completed just 42.4 percent of his throws when forced to move. Too much hero ball. Extends plays and takes unnecessary chances rather than throwing it away. Scouts question his passion for football and whether he will be a willing student.

 

Here's Rudolph's weaknesses

 

So is this wrong but Rosen's right?

 

 

WEAKNESSES

 Over-strides at times. Rarely drives lower body through the throw causing ball to sail and float. May not generate enough velocity to beat ball-hawking corners who strangle passing windows. Field-side outs will be a challenge. Needs throws to stay on schedule. Needs to throw with better timing and placement on comeback and outs. Defaults to off-platform throws when he has time to step and deliver. Ball placement and decision making can run askew when forced to scramble from pocket. Ball will come out wobbly at times. Inexperienced as rollout passer. Benefitted from ball-winning targets downfield. Wasn't asked to get through many progressions in the offense. Has had ball security issues as a starter.

DRAFT PROJECTION

 Rounds 2-3

SOURCES TELL US

 "If you spoke with ten different scouts you would get at least four different opinions about him. I've just seen too many of those system quarterbacks struggle to make it in the league so I'm hesitant to buy in. He has gotten better this year." -- NFC team regional scout

NFL COMPARISON

 Christian Ponder

BOTTOM LINE

 Pocket quarterback with good size who has shown consistent improvement as a passer. Rudolph is more of a downfield, play-action passer than a quarterback who can win with precision and arm strength. He's a capable field reader who has the ability to operate with timing which will be important since his arm can be dull at times. Rudolph could be an early backup with the potential of becoming an average to below average starter in the league.

[BillsFan4]

20 minutes ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

 

He is fragile and has lots of Injury issues. 

His team mates really don’t like him or hang with him hence how can he lead a NFL team. There are many reports about that. He rubs people the wrong way with his demeanor and the way he comes across.  He is not a team player, never once did I mention politics. He does not need the NFL to earn a living he set financially.  He is not a good leader by example. 

 

some good intel about him 

 

 

Durability is a concern. Carries slight build and has had injury issues dating back to high school. Carries ball low in pocket with slight upward pre-throw hitch. Too casual in pocket set-up. Decision making and post-snap reads are inconsistent. Refuses easy throws at times. Arm talent and strength are below average. May need to make greater effort to drive field and seam throws. Poor career deep ball completion rate. Excess air under ball allows challenges. Lacks gun to challenge safeties with rip throws over the top. Needs better anticipation. Poor mobility. Struggles to elude early pressure. Completed just 42.4 percent of his throws when forced to move. Too much hero ball. Extends plays and takes unnecessary chances rather than throwing it away. Scouts question his passion for football and whether he will be a willing student.

 

 

This sounds like a guy that should be drafted late 1st round or early 2nd round to me. This guy will drop like a rock in this draft you can count on it. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, if that's why you don't like him, then why did you say that you would question whether you'd support him as the Bills QB?  If it's only because you are worried about if he is fragile or a team leader? 

 

 

BTW Here's what his actual teammates had to say on that whole narrative (to save you time, its BS) - 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000918506/article/exucla-teammate-calls-josh-rosen-onceinamillennium-qb

 

https://www.ndtscouting.com/ledyard-time-to-bury-josh-rosen-character-slander-once-and-for-all/

 

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/josh_rosen_and_baker_mayfield.html

 

 

I like how you only posted the weakness part of Josh Rosen's NFL draft profile. But you left out all the good stuff. 

 

Find me one QB in any draft that didn't have weaknesses in their draft profile. Go back and read what they've said about other top QBs in the NFL before they were drafted. 

 

I can do the same with Mason Rudolph... Heres his negatives from his scouting report-

Sounds like a WB projected to go day 2, to me. 

WEAKNESSES

 Over-strides at times. Rarely drives lower body through the throw causing ball to sail and float. May not generate enough velocity to beat ball-hawking corners who strangle passing windows. Field-side outs will be a challenge. Needs throws to stay on schedule. Needs to throw with better timing and placement on comeback and outs. Defaults to off-platform throws when he has time to step and deliver. Ball placement and decision making can run askew when forced to scramble from pocket. Ball will come out wobbly at times. Inexperienced as rollout passer. Benefitted from ball-winning targets downfield. Wasn't asked to get through many progressions in the offense. Has had ball security issues as a starter.

DRAFT PROJECTION

 Rounds 2-3

SOURCES TELL US

 "If you spoke with ten different scouts you would get at least four different opinions about him. I've just seen too many of those system quarterbacks struggle to make it in the league so I'm hesitant [/B]to buy in. He has gotten better this year." -- NFC team regional scout

NFL COMPARISON

 Christian Ponder

[/B]BOTTOM LINE

 Pocket quarterback with good size who has shown consistent improvement as a passer. Rudolph is more of a downfield, play-action passer than a quarterback who can win with precision and arm strength. He's a capable field reader who has the ability to operate with timing which will be important since his arm can be dull at times. Rudolph could be an early backup with the potential of becoming an average to below average starter in the league.

 

 

 

Sounds to me like a system QB that was surrounded by some excellent talent, who doesn't have a great shot at being a true NFL franchise QB... 

There's a reason why Rudolph isn't being talked about among the top QBs in this draft class. 

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

16 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

 

I believe they see team building and chemistry as more important that talent alone. If they had Allen at 80 and Rudolph at 75 I put money on them taking Rudolph.

Fair enough!

[buffalobloodfloridahome]

31 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

You may be correct that he is a system QB, but, that does not preclude him being an NFL starter and a good one.  Maybe not first year, but, given a little time, can't say that isn't possible.

Anything is possible, I didn't think Deshaun Watson was going to come out of the gate on fire either. 

[17 Josh Allen]

11 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

Ok, if that's why you don't like him, then why did you say that you would question whether you'd support him as the Bills QB?  If it's only because you are worried about if he is fragile or a team leader? 

 

 

BTW Here's what his actual teammates had to say on that whole narrative (to save you time, its BS) - 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000918506/article/exucla-teammate-calls-josh-rosen-onceinamillennium-qb

 

https://www.ndtscouting.com/ledyard-time-to-bury-josh-rosen-character-slander-once-and-for-all/

 

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/josh_rosen_and_baker_mayfield.html

 

 

I like how you only posted the weakness part of Josh Rosen's NFL draft profile. But you left out all the good stuff. 

 

Find me one QB in any draft that didn't have weaknesses in their draft profile. Go back and read what they've said about other top QBs in the NFL before they were drafted. 

 

I can do the same with Mason Rudolph... Heres his negatives from his scouting report-

Sounds like a WB projected to go day 2, to me. 

WEAKNESSES

 Over-strides at times. Rarely drives lower body through the throw causing ball to sail and float. May not generate enough velocity to beat ball-hawking corners who strangle passing windows. Field-side outs will be a challenge. Needs throws to stay on schedule. Needs to throw with better timing and placement on comeback and outs. Defaults to off-platform throws when he has time to step and deliver. Ball placement and decision making can run askew when forced to scramble from pocket. Ball will come out wobbly at times. Inexperienced as rollout passer. Benefitted from ball-winning targets downfield. Wasn't asked to get through many progressions in the offense. Has had ball security issues as a starter.

DRAFT PROJECTION

 Rounds 2-3

SOURCES TELL US

 "If you spoke with ten different scouts you would get at least four different opinions about him. I've just seen too many of those system quarterbacks struggle to make it in the league so I'm hesitant [/B]to buy in. He has gotten better this year." -- NFC team regional scout

NFL COMPARISON

 Christian Ponder

[/B]BOTTOM LINE

 Pocket quarterback with good size who has shown consistent improvement as a passer. Rudolph is more of a downfield, play-action passer than a quarterback who can win with precision and arm strength. He's a capable field reader who has the ability to operate with timing which will be important since his arm can be dull at times. Rudolph could be an early backup with the potential of becoming an average to below average starter in the league.

 

 

 

Sounds to me like a system QB that was surrounded by some excellent talent, who doesn't have a great shot at being a true NFL franchise QB... 

There's a reason why Rudolph isn't being talked about among the top QBs in this draft class. 

 

 

 

To me Rudolph is more reliable and a better leader then Rosen. His stats prove it and so does his non Injury related problems and also his winning record. But for me it’s the eye test, when I watch these two play in live action. Rudolph looks better and performs better then Rosen. Then you take into the account Rosen’s attitude and off the field stuff and Injury stuff and not relating or being condescending to his coaches.  So that’s why I rate him outside top 6 to 8 QB’s. So that’s my scouting report. 

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22 minutes ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

 

 

To me Rudolph is more reliable and a better leader then Rosen. His stats prove it and so does his non Injury related problems and also his winning record. But for me it’s the eye test, when I watch these two play in live action. Rudolph looks better and performs better then Rosen. Then you take into the account Rosen’s attitude and off the field stuff and Injury stuff and not relating or being condescending to his coaches.  So that’s why I rate him outside top 6 to 8 QB’s. So that’s my scouting report. 

Fair enough. I have a different opinion on him and Rosen. But I am intrigued by Rudolph. I's prefer to land one of the top 4 QBs but I'd give very strong consideration to him and Jackson if that's not possible. 

IMO I think Rosen is clearly a better QB prospect than Rudolph. But what I question is - is Rosen that much better than Rudolph + all the picks we could surround him with if we didn't trade up? 

 

 

I still don't understand why you'd say that you would question if you'd support Rosen as the Bills QB if it's not about politics? 

 

If its truly just about your concerns over his injuries and his on field performance I don't see why you'd have to question whether or not you'd support him/The Bills if they drafted him. 

 

But that's your business, not mine so... 

 

all I know is that hat I will support whatever QB the Bills draft and give him a fair chance, even if it's not the one I want.