Boatdrinks Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: Lol... I just find it incredible that so few people caught on to this. And I guarantee he knew the Jets had probably already contacted the Colts and a deal was going down. So what. Really , who cares? He obviously knew whatever happened before any of us. I'm not sure why this would matter. If they make a move up with another team in the coming days/ weeks he'll know that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Lol... I just find it incredible that so few people caught on to this. And I guarantee he knew the Jets had probably already contacted the Colts and a deal was going down. I'm sure they gave him a chance to beat it and he said no. The question that needs to be answered is why. The Colts have said they will listen to offers for 6, so I wouldn't be so sure that staying in the top 10 wasn't entirely imperative for them. That comment could easily be tied to not giving out what other teams were interested. Staying in the top 10 vs 12...meh it's 2 ****ty picks... Also it could very easily have been GM speak, just like we are comfortable paying TT and that they had no intention of moving before Glenn... Edited March 18, 2018 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) The media and fan base convinced itself we're no doubt going to be able to move into the top 5. That was way to ambitious and irresponsible.....national media rolling with it to. In a city that knows nothing but heart break, Beane went out there yesterday to temper expectations and fans still we're like "sure sure Beane....wink wink." Folks, there was about a 2 percent chance of landing a trade into the top 5. Trading back only makes sense if you did what the Colts did. You don't just say "yea we'll pass on Saquan to pick 12 and get a couple of 2nds. Edited March 18, 2018 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: I'm sure they gave him a chance to beat it and he said no. The question that needs to be answered is why. The Colts have said they will listen to offers for 6, so I wouldn't be so sure that staying in the top 10 wasn't entirely imperative for them. That comment could easily be tied to not giving out what other teams were interested. Staying in the top 10 vs 12...meh it's 2 ****ty picks... Also it could very easily have been GM speak, just like we are comfortable paying TT and that they had no intention of moving before Glenn... It's unlikely they gave a chance to " beat" the Jets offer because they didn't have what the Colts wanted. Rather, they told the Jets " well the Bills are offering X and that's a lot. We really like that offer so you're going to have to give me something more or the Bills get the pick...." Once the Jets agreed to overpay, the deal was done. Sure the Bills could say hey we'll give you two more first rounders to compensate you for moving out of the top ten " or something outrageous . Maybe their whole draft? Would that be a good move? I'll say no. The Colts weren't taking anything but a ridiculous overpayment from the Bills. They just used them to hold the Jets over a barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: The media and fan base convinced itself we're no doubt going to be able to move into the top 5. That was way to ambitious and irresponsible.....national media rolling with it to. In a city that knows nothing but heart break, Beane went out there yesterday to temper expectations and fans still we're like "sure sure Beane....wink wink." Folks, there was about a 2 percent chance of landing a trade into the top 5. Trading back only makes sense if you did what the Colts did. You don't just say "yea we'll pass on Saquan to pick 12 and get a couple of 2nds. Since you seem to think you can read the tea leaves, what did Beane mean when he said this... "I like the depth of the draft, especially early on in those rounds," he told the Bills' official radio program last week. "I'm excited to have five picks [in the first three rounds]. So I'm not going in, right now as I sit here, saying we got to move up or we got to move back. "I'm excited at 21 and 22 because it showed we made the playoffs, and that was big for our city and our team and the culture that Sean and I are building. So I have no intent to move up or down. We're focused right now on who we think we could get at that value." And then went and traded Cordy Glenn and moved up to 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 As I look at Rosen's garbage numbers vs the one top 30 defense he played this year vs what Mayfield Lamar and Rudolph did, I'm not sure after the Browns take Mayfield at 1, that I want to go crazy moving up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Probably GM speak...but not a good look to say this, "I’ve met them all, but some of them for 15 minutes and that’s not enough to even draft a guy at 12. I don’t know what we’re doing, we have six weeks to the draft, and over that time I’m going to try to get to know every player, not only the quarterbacks, of who we’re going to consider.” and then the next day your contemporary for a rival team makes a deal. What? Do the Bills GM and Scouts not work as fast or are able to figure things out as quickly as the Jets? Why not? Obviously I don't believe that to be the case, but you shouldn't say you haven't had enough time and then get one upped. It makes you look slow at your job. Why is this so anti-bills, I believe the rest of the 31 teams also have intelligent front-office people to make their own deals that is important in their own right. Why does any one expect the Jets or Broncos to be quiet while the Bills are jumping from 21 to 12. 5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: It's unlikely they gave a chance to " beat" the Jets offer because they didn't have what the Colts wanted. Rather, they told the Jets " well the Bills are offering X and that's a lot. We really like that offer so you're going to have to give me something more or the Bills get the pick...." Once the Jets agreed to overpay, the deal was done. Sure the Bills could say hey we'll give you two more first rounders to compensate you for moving out of the top ten " or something outrageous . Maybe their whole draft? Would that be a good move? I'll say no. The Colts weren't taking anything but a ridiculous overpayment from the Bills. They just used them to hold the Jets over a barrel. Could make perfect sense. These are intelligent folks..there are only 32 such positions open in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: As I stewed in misery and irritation today, it has now become apparent that yesterday's press conference was Beane knowing he wasn't going to make the trade to 3 with the Colts. It is very apparent now. I tip my hat to the posters yesterday and today who caught on to this. I really don't even believe that we will be trying to trade into the top 5, I am almost certain that we are looking at the next tier of QBs and are mostly done trading. If that's the case (I didn't get a chance to listen to the presser yet, but I will in a few), then I believe I know who our pick will be. It's Lamar Jackson... think about it. Beane has scouted these QB's heavy all season. With his background of being the leading guy who scouted Cam, & Jackson being a better prospect then Cam, with a higher ceiling, he figures why move up anymore? Where in a great spot to draft our guy, if we can move up then fine...if not we'll get Jackson who we wanted all along. Imagine if Cam came out in a better draft class like this one... he'll probably be the 5th best prospect also. In 2011, Luck & heisman winner of that year RG3 decided to stay in college for their senior years, Cam at one point was behind Blaine Gabbert, Locker & Ponder was creeping up too. Beane ultimately drafted Cam out of everyone & was right. Pick 21 was a good spot to probably get Jackson, 12 is a great spot to definitely get him. This makes way too much sense. The only thing, you have Rosen & Mayfield coming out & they are extremely great prospects but just like Cam... Jackson has a high ceiling too, he just came out with a really good draft class. AJ isn't bad & will probably shock some people come training camp... & it will allow Jackson to sit for a year & polish up his accuracy a bit. I feel like it's always been Rosen, Mayfield & Jackson for Beane & the fact that he can keep all his picks & get Jackson is a victory in his book. It's not a bad plan when you sit & really think about it. It may not be the plan we all collectively wanted, but it's not a bad plan. Edited March 18, 2018 by Scorp83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Probably GM speak...but not a good look to say this, "I’ve met them all, but some of them for 15 minutes and that’s not enough to even draft a guy at 12. I don’t know what we’re doing, we have six weeks to the draft, and over that time I’m going to try to get to know every player, not only the quarterbacks, of who we’re going to consider.” and then the next day your contemporary for a rival team makes a deal. What? Do the Bills GM and Scouts not work as fast or are able to figure things out as quickly as the Jets? Why not? Obviously I don't believe that to be the case, but you shouldn't say you haven't had enough time and then get one upped. It makes you look slow at your job. Who said the team that drafted two bust QBs recently, and signed two "bridge" QBs for upwards of 25 million, has anything figured out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 hours ago, kota said: Who knows AJ or Nate could be the real deal. I would be fine with going with either one as the starter this year. AJ looks legit. Go see his highlights. At this point AJ could be the guy, he was pretty accurate in college. How funny would it be that he becomes a franchise QB. I say we still snag Chad Kelly off Denver's practice squad. He has stayed out of trouble and had a great junior year and was running for his life his senior year when he lost a lot of talent to the NFL. 3 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: Colts didn’t want to drop to 12. I don’t know why most people here are losing it. The Bills are stacked with picks. And they might very well get a guy at 12 they wanted anyway. Plus, they can still make a move up. People are overvaluing the QB’s this year. There are a lot of really good players at other positions. We may get a ton of great players but there is no such thing as overvaluing QB. We have floundered all these years because we don't have an elite QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 If Beane did in fact know a day before the trade, that makes me happy because that most likely means he was involved in, or at least exploring, the trade discussions to move to 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: I hope this isn't the same scouting staff whose reports have influenced many G.M.'s over the years to skip the QB position. You know they fired everyone last spring, right? A few were rehired afterwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I am kind of surprised that anyone here who follows the NFL closely would ever take a GM’s words at face value 6 weeks before the draft. It was a post FA presser, filled with calculated talk that means nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 7 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Probably GM speak...but not a good look to say this, "I’ve met them all, but some of them for 15 minutes and that’s not enough to even draft a guy at 12. I don’t know what we’re doing, we have six weeks to the draft, and over that time I’m going to try to get to know every player, not only the quarterbacks, of who we’re going to consider.” and then the next day your contemporary for a rival team makes a deal. What? Do the Bills GM and Scouts not work as fast or are able to figure things out as quickly as the Jets? Why not? Obviously I don't believe that to be the case, but you shouldn't say you haven't had enough time and then get one upped. It makes you look slow at your job. Not sure if serious. The reason he says this is because he’s lying. Beane is feigning ignorance that he hasn't studied these QBs. He knows exactly who he wants. He's cold and calculated. He spent the last year saying getting a franchise QB is a GMs most important job, now he says he hasn't looked at them yet? Lies. He's getting his guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Not sure if serious. The reason he says this is because he’s lying. Beane is feigning ignorance that he hasn't studied these QBs. He knows exactly who he wants. He's cold and calculated. He spent the last year saying getting a franchise QB is a GMs most important job, now he says he hasn't looked at them yet? Lies. He's getting his guy. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I am kind of surprised that anyone here who follows the NFL closely would ever take a GM’s words at face value 6 weeks before the draft. It was a post FA presser, filled with calculated talk that means nothing. Yup and I as I already poster he said he had no intent in moving up and liked being st 21 and 22... Then traded Glenn and moved up to 12. Why would Beane hold a press conference to calm fans down for passing on the option to trade up to 3? Do we honestly think he’s doing the things he’s doing for the fans and needs there approval? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Probably GM speak...but not a good look to say this, "I’ve met them all, but some of them for 15 minutes and that’s not enough to even draft a guy at 12. I don’t know what we’re doing, we have six weeks to the draft, and over that time I’m going to try to get to know every player, not only the quarterbacks, of who we’re going to consider.” and then the next day your contemporary for a rival team makes a deal. What? Do the Bills GM and Scouts not work as fast or are able to figure things out as quickly as the Jets? Why not? Obviously I don't believe that to be the case, but you shouldn't say you haven't had enough time and then get one upped. It makes you look slow at your job. Yes, the Jets sure do have a long record of being shrewd evaluators of draft talent, especially QBs taken in the top 5 of the 1st Round. In fact, their storied history of playoff run after playoff run, spanning decades suggests (sound of a needle being dragged across a vinyl record) oh yeah, we're talking about the inept NY Jets here. Let's not jump off of any ledges yet, gentlemen. Sheesh... Edited March 18, 2018 by ChevyVanMiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 8 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Probably GM speak...but not a good look to say this, "I’ve met them all, but some of them for 15 minutes and that’s not enough to even draft a guy at 12. I don’t know what we’re doing, we have six weeks to the draft, and over that time I’m going to try to get to know every player, not only the quarterbacks, of who we’re going to consider.” and then the next day your contemporary for a rival team makes a deal. What? Do the Bills GM and Scouts not work as fast or are able to figure things out as quickly as the Jets? Why not? Obviously I don't believe that to be the case, but you shouldn't say you haven't had enough time and then get one upped. It makes you look slow at your job. Jets panicked and over payed. They’ve got 4 vet QBs u/c and threw the house at Indy to move up. This is called firing a shotgun hoping to hit the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Beane was in the mix, but the Colts decided they didn't want to move out of the top ten as indicated by their GM Chris Ballard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Maybe the Jets moved up to get Barkley if both the Browns and G Men take QB's? Maybe they want Chubb? or VV? Who knows? only they know for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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