KingBoots8 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 So the Jets did what they did... I can’t fault Indy for doing it either since they’re still going to get their guy most likely at 6 since everyone else is fighting it out for QBs in the top 5. Its going to take a hell of a lot to get to #2 now. Maybe too much... and #1 is out of the question. Since Cleveland has the draft capital and many holes to fill, would a trade for #4 be a possibility? I’d imagine with all the QB craziness that Cleveland would absolutely get their QB at #1. Giants MIGHT roll QB #2, and the Jets obviously would. If the Giants decide to get Barkley at #2, do we send Cleveland some picks for #4? I cant imagine Cleveland passing Barkley if he’s there at 4. If Darnold and Rosen are taken 1&3, we can get Mayfield (or Allen, but not my preferred choice) at 4. Obviously this is a draft day type of trade, but if this plays out I can see Beane making some phone calls to Cleveland. What would it take to get 4? Both firsts and maybe a later second? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) There are 2 guys we should be going after in my opinion. Rosen or Darnold. If you don’t get to 2, we aren’t getting either. Go up to 1 or 2 or forget it. Either move up and take one of the actual very good guys for once in our lives..or just forget it. Stay where we are and just fill in the roster with high draft picks. Play McCarron. Either get the good guys or don’t waste our time. Enough settling for scraps. Edited March 18, 2018 by Brianmoorman4jesus 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) Only Darnold or Rosen are worth trading up for, if they both go, just pick at 12. Only hope for Rosen was if Beane traded with the Colts and the Giants took Barkley. That scenario is dead. Either Beane got too cute, or the Colts just were not dropping to 12 from 3. EDIT: Opps, was typing the same thing as the poster above. Edited March 18, 2018 by T-Bomb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffbill77 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Mayfield is the best QB in the draft, he's the one Bills should chase 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, T-Bomb said: Only Darnold or Rosen are worth trading up for, if they both go, just pick at 12. Only hope for Rosen was if Beane traded with the Colts and the Giants took Barkley. That scenario is dead. Either Beane got too cute, or the Colts just were not dropping to 12 from 3. There is considerable noise that the Jets want Josh Allen. Look at the two QBs the GM has on the roster from drafts in 2015 and 2016; they are mirror images of Allen. So now what? The Giants either trade with the Broncos - who clearly love Rosen - or the Browns have a choice to move back to us or trade with the Broncos. Ain't over til it's over, bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, T-Bomb said: Only Darnold or Rosen are worth trading up for, if they both go, just pick at 12. Only hope for Rosen was if Beane traded with the Colts and the Giants took Barkley. That scenario is dead. Either Beane got too cute, or the Colts just were not dropping to 12 from 3. Or he was sensible. You don't win by mortgaging the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, T-Bomb said: Either Beane got too cute, or the Colts just were not dropping to 12 from 3. I’m betting it’s the latter- I’m thinking the colts want Chubb and they’re not going to get him at 12. 6 is highly likely. It makes sense for them to do so and gain some picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, buffbill77 said: Mayfield is the best QB in the draft, he's the one Bills should chase You must have been a Doug Flutie fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, ganesh said: Or he was sensible. You don't win by mortgaging the draft. They will let Buffalo return in 2019 and 2020 and beyond to draft more players. You don't lose your rights to return to the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) Browns are not trading out. They already have too many picks. Why would they want more picks? 1st Round: No. 1 overall 1st Round: No. 4 overall 2nd Round: No. 33 overall (1st in round) 2nd Round: No. 35 overall (3rd in round) 2nd Round: No. 64 overall (32nd in round) 4th Round: No. 101 overall (1st in round) 4th Round: No. 123 overall (23rd in round) 5th Round: No. 138 overall (1st in round) 5th Round: No. 159 overall (22nd in round) 6th Round: No. 175 overall (1st in round) 7th Round: No. 219 overall (1st in round) Edited March 18, 2018 by kdiggz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, ganesh said: Or he was sensible. You don't win by mortgaging the draft. The eagles just won the super bowl. What are you talking about? We are the only team in the league that acts like qb is just not important. You win by having a good qb. Move up and get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said: So the Jets did what they did... I can’t fault Indy for doing it either since they’re still going to get their guy most likely at 6 since everyone else is fighting it out for QBs in the top 5. Its going to take a hell of a lot to get to #2 now. Maybe too much... and #1 is out of the question. Since Cleveland has the draft capital and many holes to fill, would a trade for #4 be a possibility? I’d imagine with all the QB craziness that Cleveland would absolutely get their QB at #1. Giants MIGHT roll QB #2, and the Jets obviously would. If the Giants decide to get Barkley at #2, do we send Cleveland some picks for #4? I cant imagine Cleveland passing Barkley if he’s there at 4. If Darnold and Rosen are taken 1&3, we can get Mayfield (or Allen, but not my preferred choice) at 4. Obviously this is a draft day type of trade, but if this plays out I can see Beane making some phone calls to Cleveland. What would it take to get 4? Both firsts and maybe a later second? I think the Giants want Barkley, Barkley, Barkley. THAT is why they wouldn't move from #2 to #6, because Barkley would never make it past the Browns #4. But if Buffalo can get to #4 by loading up the Browns draft vault with additional picks, then perhaps they can get to #2 with the Giants. So it would look like... 1.) Browns - Darnold 2.) Bills - QB 3.) Jets - QB 4.) Giants - Barkley (yep they still get Barkley and some Draft Picks from Buffalo) And the Browns would then leave the 1st Round with Sam Darnold, and Picks #12, #22. Edited March 18, 2018 by RalphWilson'sNewWar addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, ganesh said: Or he was sensible. You don't win by mortgaging the draft. And you don't win with mediocrity at QB. The past 20 years should tell you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Browns are not trading out. They already have too many picks. Why would they want more picks? 1st Round: No. 1 overall 1st Round: No. 4 overall 2nd Round: No. 33 overall (1st in round) 2nd Round: No. 35 overall (3rd in round) 2nd Round: No. 64 overall (32nd in round) 3rd Round: No. 65 overall (1st in round) 4th Round: No. 101 overall (1st in round) 4th Round: No. 123 overall (23rd in round) 5th Round: No. 138 overall (1st in round) 5th Round: No. 159 overall (22nd in round) 6th Round: No. 175 overall (1st in round) 7th Round: No. 219 overall (1st in round) Anything below #65 is pfft. THe Bills would be able to give them a total 3 First Round Picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, kdiggz said: Browns are not trading out. They already have too many picks. Why would they want more picks? 1st Round: No. 1 overall 1st Round: No. 4 overall 2nd Round: No. 33 overall (1st in round) 2nd Round: No. 35 overall (3rd in round) 2nd Round: No. 64 overall (32nd in round) 3rd Round: No. 65 overall (1st in round) 4th Round: No. 101 overall (1st in round) 4th Round: No. 123 overall (23rd in round) 5th Round: No. 138 overall (1st in round) 5th Round: No. 159 overall (22nd in round) 6th Round: No. 175 overall (1st in round) 7th Round: No. 219 overall (1st in round) This list shows them as having their 3rd rounder they gave to us for Tyrod- is this list correct aside from that? Edited March 18, 2018 by KingBoots8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: The eagles just won the super bowl. What are you talking about? We are the only team in the league that acts like qb is just not important. You win by having a good qb. Move up and get one. What if the teams ahead of you , such as the Jets also try to move up? Top ten picks do a lot more talking than a pick at 12. You can't move up just because you want to. The other team has the veto power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: I think the Giants want Barkley, Barkley, Barkley. THAT is why they wouldn't move from #2 to #6, because Barkley would never make it past the Browns #4. But if Buffalo can get to #4 by loading up the Browns draft vault with additional picks, then perhaps they can get to #2 with the Giants. So it would look like... 1.) Browns - Darnold 2.) Bills - QB 3.) Jets - QB 4.) Giants - Barkley. And the Browns would then leave the 1st Round with Sam Darnold, and Picks #12, #22. All depends on how the Browns value the big 4 QBs versus Barkley. If they're not set on Darnold and take Barkely #1, they might still get Darnold at #4 if the Giants turn to Rosen and Allen is as coveted by the Jets as we hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 You may have to get to 4 to assure yourself of one of the top 4 QBs. It sounds crazy , but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4life1924 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said: This list shows them as having their 3rd rounder they gave to us for Tyrod- is this list correct aside from that? No this is not updated. They also gave up 2 picks(1 this year and another next year) for Jarvis landry. And gave up a pick in a trade made with the patriots. So the charts shows 3 picks that shouldn't be there. Edited March 18, 2018 by Bills4life1924 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: What if the teams ahead of you , such as the Jets also try to move up? Top ten picks do a lot more talking than a pick at 12. You can't move up just because you want to. The other team has the veto power. We are in position to offer 3 firsts in the next 2 drafts. I can’t imagine there was an actual price that we couldn’t afford. Just like we have done from the beginning, we are afraid to over pay for anything and are preaching money ball. We are dicking around trying to get things on our terms. Just pay the goddamn price to get the qb and worry about everything else later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: The eagles just won the super bowl. What are you talking about? We are the only team in the league that acts like qb is just not important. You win by having a good qb. Move up and get one. News Flash: The Eagles won the Super Bowl with their backup QB and journeyman Foles. The final 4 playoff teams had Keenum (UDFA) , Bortles (1st Rd.) Foles (3rd Rd) and Brady (6th Rd) . Only one of was a top 5 pick and he's not the one most of us would want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: There are 2 guys we should be going after in my opinion. Rosen or Darnold. If you don’t get to 2, we aren’t getting either. Go up to 1 or 2 or forget it. Either move up and take one of the actual very good guys for once in our lives..or just forget it. Stay where we are and just fill in the roster with high draft picks. Play McCarron. Either get the good guys or don’t waste our time. Enough settling for scraps. I agree with this. I would also hope they would try to make some kind of trade to get a second 2019 first round pick from some one. Edited March 18, 2018 by OJABBA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Looper said: All depends on how the Browns value the big 4 QBs versus Barkley. If they're not set on Darnold and take Barkely #1, they might still get Darnold at #4 if the Giants turn to Rosen and Allen is as coveted by the Jets as we hear. The Jets being so comfortable at #3 even in the face of two QBs already being gone. I still can't figure that out. Why are they so comfortable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: We are in position to offer 3 firsts in the next 2 drafts. I can’t imagine there was an actual price that we couldn’t afford. Just like we have done from the beginning, we are afraid to over pay for anything and are preaching money ball. We are dicking around trying to get things on our terms. Just pay the goddamn price to get the qb and worry about everything else later. The price they can't afford is the one they are unable to pay: a top ten pick. You know, so the team you want to trade with actually gets the player they want in the most talent rich portion of the draft? Other teams GMs have their own value chart and it likely means they will take the offer from the team giving them the highest picks. 4 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: The Jets being so comfortable at #3 even in the face of two QBs already being gone. I still can't figure that out. Why are they so comfortable? Either they like 3 QBs and have them ranked closely , are unable to trade with the Giants at two or know the Giants won't trade the pick / are taking a player at another position Edited March 18, 2018 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: The Jets being so comfortable at #3 even in the face of two QBs already being gone. I still can't figure that out. Why are they so comfortable? At this point, it could be just one QB or two. Jets must have a plan for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: The price they can't afford is the one they are unable to pay: a top ten pick. You know, so the team you want to trade with actually gets the player they want in the most talent rich portion of the draft? Other teams GMs have their own value chart and it likely means they will take the offer from the team giving them the highest picks. Either they like 3 QBs and have them ranked closely , are unable to trade with the Giants at two or know the Giants won't trade the pick / are taking a player at another position That's what I am going with. That the Giants want Barkley. And if Buffalo can get to #4...they can offer the Giants the #4 with more Draft Picks and a Player if needed to move to #2 and Giants STILL get that player because the Jets are ALL IN on QB. I just can't believe they like 3 QBs that much when our GM is quoted "I’ve met them all, but some of them for 15 minutes and that’s not enough to even draft a guy at 12. I don’t know what we’re doing, we have six weeks to the draft, and over that time I’m going to try to get to know every player, not only the quarterbacks, of who we’re going to consider.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 There are almost certainly not four QBs in this draft. But the QBs also very likely will not go in order of their future value, so we don't have to be in the top three to get a top three QB. We have to evaluate better or get lucky. I am not sure what order I have the four QBs ranked, and I think it is very likely the Jets and Bills do not have the same order. Does Darnold or Allen climb now that they do not have to start day 1? I had preferred Mayfield or Rosen most likely all things equal, but know that that evaluation could be as wrong as Smith over Rodgers or Leaf vs Peyton. Fingers crossed that our brain trust can pick right in the top two, outside the top two, or even at 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Green Lightning said: And you don't win with mediocrity at QB. The past 20 years should tell you that. I agree..but you can't have it both ways...You mortgage the draft and get a QB...Now you cannot surround him with talent...what now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 32 minutes ago, ganesh said: I agree..but you can't have it both ways...You mortgage the draft and get a QB...Now you cannot surround him with talent...what now? Then it will be said they are cheap because they won't overpay in Free Agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 4 hours ago, ganesh said: Or he was sensible. You don't win by mortgaging the draft. Worked for the Eagles as they gave up quite a bit for Wentz. Worked for the Eagles. We'd be moving up #12 to #2 instead of 8 to 2 so we'd have to give up more. Especially with the Giants having all the leverage. It will pry take at this drafts two 1st rounders, a 2nd, the top pick of the 3rd round, and next years 1st. Are we willing to give up five picks to move up 10 spots? It depends how high Beane are sold on a guy. Also, are the Giants willing to pass on a quarterback to eventually replace Eli? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 The Browns aren't drafting Barkley...not at 1 AND not at 4 if he is there....they signed Carlos Hyde to big deal to start. They have a good change of pace back on the roster. The GM is on record putting RB at the bottom of the list of things you need to win...and he has been in charge of, or been a part of drafts for decades where the philosphy was to wait on RB. If the Browns stay at 4 (and I think they will) it is because they will pick a PREMIUM position player. Chubb, or Fitzpatrick...not RB in a RB rich class that they own a ton of picks in. Same reason why they aren't trading out of 4...they have draft capital and they now intend to cash in. The GIANTS drafting Barkley makes more sense. They don't have a bonofide starter on the roster, and their FO isn't opposed to RB high.....and given that it makes some sense and they have a need I still think they are also going QB. Eli is amost toast, they are in position to get his replacement. 2019 is a bad QB draft class and they have no clue where they would even be selecting. This again, is a deep RB draft..they can wait. QB is scarce and it will be even more scarce after this draft. QB 1-2-3. The Bills must hope that the 4th QB in this draft is someone they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 4 hours ago, ganesh said: I agree..but you can't have it both ways...You mortgage the draft and get a QB...Now you cannot surround him with talent...what now? QB is fundamental. Other positions are plentiful. Build them around the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 8 hours ago, ganesh said: Or he was sensible. You don't win by mortgaging the draft. Tell that to Philadelphia. They mortgaged TWO drafts to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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