Mrbojanglezs Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 37 minutes ago, matter2003 said: How were we in a position of power with Tyrod when the entire league knew he was going to get cut before we paid him that bonus?? I don't see the relevance. Obviously Hue really wanted him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Unless Darnold is there, I'm not moving up high. All these other guys have too many questions to be investing so much in them. If Darnold goes number one, I am waiting to 7 and calling around to see whats happening. You will probably end up with three guys going in top 6, but then there will be two still out there. The only thing I am trying to do now is not letting someone else trade above 12. So if teams 7-11 are not moving, just stay at 12. If you call them and they say they are trading with Arizona, you step up and get the pick instead of Arizona. Could you imagine trading all the capital to get to draft Allen or Rosen? What a waste. Guys like Mayfield and Jackson have just as much potential to be great as them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 5 hours ago, xRUSHx said: Jackson at 12, no thanks, I am so done with Tyrod type running around. Those skrony legs will never survive in the NFL IMO. No reason to move up in the draft for a QB if all your going to do is draft a 2 year project. Blows my mind Allen is ranked so high, his agent is doing a hell of a job getting people to prop him up. I truly wish Cleveland or some other team jumps on him and leaves us a a chance at Rosen, Darnold,Mayfield, nobody else matters. It would sure be Billsy if they did all this moving in the draft just to take Allen/Jackson though, maybe we should expect the scraps, we should be used to that by now. Rudolph is a much better prospect @12 then these 2 IMO. Rudolph over Jackson at 12???? You're nuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 They will move further up.....they will not do a half job here......aggrevivly moved to # 12....its not over yet....beane will do something......at least i really hope he does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 Pocket presence. Who can stand in tbe pocket and deliver? If that guy isn’t there then I say pass on a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 There’s a very effective way to obfuscate/prevaricate and that’s to tell the exact truth as you see it at this moment. Beane is a master of this. I think he’s telling the exact truth-they haven’t set their board or finished FA and he doesn’t know with certainty at this point if they will trade up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: There’s a very effective way to obfuscate/prevaricate and that’s to tell the exact truth as you see it at this moment. Beane is a master of this. I think he’s telling the exact truth-they haven’t set their board or finished FA and he doesn’t know with certainty at this point if they will trade up I think the majority of FA is done and that the board is filled out with movable pieces which is what all draft boards are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: Rudolph over Jackson at 12???? You're nuts Yes 100x Rudolph over Jackson. Rudolph is a true pocket QB, Jackson is a true runner, sadly for him his lower half of his body is one made for a lady. Rudolph will have a long career in the NFL, Jackson will be on IR more then he plays IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: Yes 100x Rudolph over Jackson. Rudolph is a true pocket QB, Jackson is a true runner, sadly for him his lower half of his body is one made for a lady. Rudolph will have a long career in the NFL, Jackson will be on IR more then he plays IMO. Anytime that you can get a guy with an average skill set from a simple offense you need jump on it. The Bills are only drafting one of 3 guys (Rosen, Mayfield or Darnold). I’d give anyone else the field on the Bills 1st pick 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 57 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I think the majority of FA is done and that the board is filled out with movable pieces which is what all draft boards are. I personally think Beane said what he meant and meant what he said about having an initial set but re-setting in April after pro days, team visits etc YMMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 He did a great job playing coy with the Tyrod situation, even fooled a lot of fans. i don't think anyone is buying this, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 hours ago, QCity said: He did a great job playing coy with the Tyrod situation, even fooled a lot of fans. i don't think anyone is buying this, though. IMO He fooled the Tyrod fans. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 hours ago, QCity said: He did a great job playing coy with the Tyrod situation, even fooled a lot of fans. i don't think anyone is buying this, though. He's not fooling. As I said before, they're not going to get fleeced trading up because they have options. I still think that if they can't get a reasonable deal to trade up, they go after Foles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc said: He's not fooling. As I said before, they're not going to get fleeced trading up because they have options. I still think that if they can't get a reasonable deal to trade up, they go after Foles Foles is not happening. People need to stop with the nonsense. They will take Lamar Jackson if the first 4 are gone before 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, Doc said: He's not fooling. As I said before, they're not going to get fleeced trading up because they have options. I still think that if they can't get a reasonable deal to trade up, they go after Foles Still? Is this what your “insider” is hinting at? You’ve nailed some rumors more than the others why “know a guy”. 10 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Foles is not happening. People need to stop with the nonsense. They will take Lamar Jackson if the first 4 are gone before 12 They dumped Tyrod and left us with only Nate (for a few days), so why would they want a Tyrod clone (even if he is supposed to be slightly better that Tyrod?) They want a passing game where the QB protects the ball and no more of the scrambling sandlot QB’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 14 hours ago, matter2003 said: How were we in a position of power with Tyrod when the entire league knew he was going to get cut before we paid him that bonus?? Just like we KNEW that Tyrod was not going to be traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: They want a passing game where the QB protects the ball and no more of the scrambling sandlot QB’s. I used to think this part a lot too. But Beane said he looked at every throw McCarron made - and that's the guy he wanted. The pro throws he made - they were either lucky, blessed by incredible receivers or he has an arm like nobody. I think the first two, right? He's confident and competitive. Doesn't what you know about Compton, McC, Murphy ... it strikes me that there has to be something inside that rings true first to this management. The emphasis on seniors, on commitment to the process, on everyone competing all the time. I don't like the idea of Baker Mayfield - but boy it sounds like Mayfield is McBeane's type of guy. I guess the bottom line is that I agree but for different reasons. I have yet to see an instance where they've selected the best athlete and in at least one instance, they traded that guy away (Sammy) to focus on team-oriented players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Still? Is this what your “insider” is hinting at? You’ve nailed some rumors more than the others why “know a guy”. They dumped Tyrod and left us with only Nate (for a few days), so why would they want a Tyrod clone (even if he is supposed to be slightly better that Tyrod?) They want a passing game where the QB protects the ball and no more of the scrambling sandlot QB’s. IMHO, Jackson is already far better than Tyrod. He was in an NFL Offense, developed much better pocket passing ability this last year. Additionally, this is a good example of why I think the Bills wanted a guy like AJ who could be a competent NFL QB while a QB like Jackson matures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 21 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: I think he’s telling the truth and lying at the same time. I think he desperately wants to trade up and grab a marquise QB but doesn’t want to tip his hand, and he is also truthful when he says he doesn’t know what he’s going to do because until the draft starts, and the picks are made and phone calls start flying back and forth, he has no idea what he will do. Yup. It's possible that none of the teams they call and ask about a trade will end up accepting less than seven first rounders. It could happen. And if it does, it's a good bet the Bills don't trade up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 32 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Foles is not happening. People need to stop with the nonsense. They will take Lamar Jackson if the first 4 are gone before 12 21 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Still? Is this what your “insider” is hinting at? You’ve nailed some rumors more than the others why “know a guy”. The guy I know said that they're still very much interested in Foles. Doesn't mean they'll meet the Eagles' asking price but he's still very much on their radar. As for Jackson, he didn't say anything about him, but personally I bet they don't touch him. Much less at 12. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 hours ago, QCity said: He did a great job playing coy with the Tyrod situation, even fooled a lot of fans. i don't think anyone is buying this, though. 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: IMO He fooled the Tyrod fans. Is anyone fooled by anything he says? All that he said was that he “wasn’t going to cut Tyrod.” They were willing to pick up the option and trade him. They knew there was a market. They were right. They got pick 65 without having to pick up the option. I don’t think anyone was fooled. He wasn’t pulling a fast one. Beane did what any good GM would do and maximized his return. He did the same thing with McCarron. He waited out the top guys and paid him peanuts. He wasn’t fooling anyone. Everyone knew that the Bills were adding a veteran QB. He just was patient. Beane isn't playing great poker. He just has a thorough understanding of the market and the value of players. He isn’t fooling anyone with “I don’t know if we will trade up” either. If anyone believes that call me and I have some volcano insurance to sell you. Beane is doing a fantastic job but it isnt by being a master master poker player. Every move that he has made has been logical and what we expected to happen. He just happens to be plugged in enough (outside of Star) to get guys below the market value and to maximize trade value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Doc said: The guy I know said that they're still very much interested in Foles. Doesn't mean they'll meet the Eagles' asking price but he's still very much on their radar. As for Jackson, he didn't say anything about him, but personally I bet they don't touch him. Much less at 12. And I will tell you with 10000% certainty your guy is full of crap and they were never in on Foles. He is and was never in the Bills plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Pre draft speak. They were keeping Taylor until a better player was on the roster. Trade Taylor for a the 65th pick. Not going to be busy during Fa concentrate on the draft. Spent 80 mil on 2 d lineman. He is not going to show his hand. He will be happy picking at 12 until the deal they want comes about to move up into the top 5. Buffalo having 12 and 22 is a better conversation starter than any other QB needy team can offer. Add in 2 seconds and 2 thirds this year Buffalo hold all the cards. I assume they want to spend 12-22-65 and a mid rounder in 19. Once that gets it done they will pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 hours ago, QCity said: He did a great job playing coy with the Tyrod situation, even fooled a lot of fans. i don't think anyone is buying this, though. 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: IMO He fooled the Tyrod fans. No he fooled the anti-Tyrod fans. Beane is a new player to this game despite him being assistant GM before. He needed to establish his credentials and he did it. He did not blink and cut Tyrod since he knew he had some value whether in trade when some QB goes down in training camp and as a way to prevent himself being fleeced moving up for he "had no options". There were enough good cards in the deck that he was willing to trade Tyrod for another card and draw again. 52 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Beane is doing a fantastic job but it isnt by being a master master poker player. Every move that he has made has been logical and what we expected to happen. He just happens to be plugged in enough (outside of Star) to get guys below the market value and to maximize trade value. Except on Ivory IMO. I think we will regret it like Reggie Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: And I will tell you with 10000% certainty your guy is full of crap and they were never in on Foles. He is and was never in the Bills plans. What I was told was that the Bills inquired about Foles, got a price (Tre White and a 4th), and offered a 2nd rounder, and that's where they left it. The media pretty much confirmed that the Bills offered them a 2nd so again I believe it. Whether they were "in on" him is a matter of semantics, but it shows interest on their part and the Eagles seemed willing to deal him for the right price. I've gotten info from him that turned out to be true. I haven't from you, so I'll go with him for now. We can do the "I told you so's" later. As for Jackson, I'm still waiting to hear, but I would bet good money they wouldn't take him before the 2nd day, at best. They traded TT, who everyone is comparing him to, and his completion percentage in college was sub-60%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Limeaid said: No he fooled the anti-Tyrod fans. Beane is a new player to this game despite him being assistant GM before. He needed to establish his credentials and he did it. He did not blink and cut Tyrod since he knew he had some value whether in trade when some QB goes down in training camp and as a way to prevent himself being fleeced moving up for he "had no options". There were enough good cards in the deck that he was willing to trade Tyrod for another card and draw again. Except on Ivory IMO. I think we will regret it like Reggie Bush. He did not fool me. Think what you want but it’s incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc said: What I was told was that the Bills inquired about Foles, got a price (Tre White and a 4th), and offered a 2nd rounder, and that's where they left it. The media pretty much confirmed that the Bills offered them a 2nd so again I believe it. Whether they were "in on" him is a matter of semantics, but it shows interest on their part and the Eagles seemed willing to deal him for the right price. I've gotten info from him that turned out to be true. I haven't from you, so I'll go with him for now. We can do the "I told you so's" later. As for Jackson, I'm still waiting to hear, but I would bet good money they wouldn't take him before the 2nd day, at best. They traded TT, who everyone is comparing him to, and his completion percentage in college was sub-60%. Buddy, it was already proven Arizona was the team to offer the second so whatever your source wants you to believe is BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Buddy, it was already proven Arizona was the team to offer the second so whatever your source wants you to believe is BS Arizona isn't in the AFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 17 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Anytime that you can get a guy with an average skill set from a simple offense you need jump on it. The Bills are only drafting one of 3 guys (Rosen, Mayfield or Darnold). I’d give anyone else the field on the Bills 1st pick I agree with you that the three qbs you listed are on their preferred list. But I wouldn't be surprised if Allen is also on the same list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloDave55 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 12:18 PM, CuddyDark said: It sounded like they're taking Lamar Jackson. Please anyone but!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Doc said: Wrong. Mike Garafolo says otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloDave55 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 On 3/16/2018 at 12:41 PM, Canadian Bills Fan said: I don't know what people expected him to say... "Yeah we want to get into the top 5 to get a QB. We are trying to work out a trade with one of the teams and hoping we can get it done" ?? At 12 the Bills will get the fourth QB in draft. Arizona is not, does not have the picks, trading up. They picked up 2 veterans QB will be looking for a project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Mike Garafolo says otherwise So does Geoff Mosher, who covers the Eagles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Doc said: Arizona isn't in the AFC. No crap. AFC has nothing to do with anything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb_8N-0pM1k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 If the Bills don't find a way to get up and draft Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield(preferably the latter), I'd sit tight at 12, use the first five picks to fill other holes on the team, and take a QB flyer with one of the 3rd round picks(Lauletta, White, etc...), and roll the dice with McCarron in 2018. No way do I want to see them use 12 or 22 on Allen, Rudolph or Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 16 hours ago, LabattBlue said: If the Bills don't find a way to get up and draft Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield(preferably the latter), I'd sit tight at 12, use the first five picks to fill other holes on the team, and take a QB flyer with one of the 3rd round picks(Lauletta, White, etc...), and roll the dice with McCarron in 2018. No way do I want to see them use 12 or 22 on Allen, Rudolph or Jackson. Did anybody notice that we made the playoffs last year with Taylor? I see McCarron as an upgrade from him. I see the free agents that we have brought in as an upgrade. I see 6 picks in the first 3 rounds as an upgrade. Isn't the objective to have a better team? Or is it to complain about the sins of the past? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, maryland-bills-fan said: Did anybody notice that we made the playoffs last year with Taylor? I see McCarron as an upgrade from him. I see the free agents that we have brought in as an upgrade. I see 6 picks in the first 3 rounds as an upgrade. Isn't the objective to have a better team? Or is it to complain about the sins of the past? I agree with you. I wish they had found a way to get a better MLB in FA but they cab get one in the draft or after post-draft cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 18, 2018 Author Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Doc said: I agree with you. I wish they had found a way to get a better MLB in FA but they cab get one in the draft or after post-draft cuts. Maybe they have a plan for the draft to get a stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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