NickelCity Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, OldTimer1960 said: What makes Joe DiBiase an expert? No idea who he is, I just found it amusing. I, too, am glad we don't have to think too much about Rudolph with the recent trade up. I just do not see an NFL qb at all when I watch him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Turk71 said: How about 'em. Raise a glass!!! I hate when facts get in the way of a good story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, NickelCity said: Oh, Joe Dibiase. How wrong you were. We are BILLS FANS!! If need be we have the talent to still talk about Matt Barkley and Ryan Nassib. Rudolph is still current events. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 38 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: I hate when facts get in the way of a good story Me too. Pesky facts are a pain in the ass and I really like good stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikuman Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/14/2018 at 7:28 AM, Bustersit said: Why is this guy not ranked higher on the mock drafts? I don't watch a ton of college football but his numbers are sick. My high level "you tube scouting" that I do everytime this year, tells me nothing. BUT seriously the dude looks amazing. Passer rating, TDs, pick ratio and his hair is sweet too. What is his knock or downfall? Help me understand I was just wondering the same thing. This article also suggests that his knowledge, skills and abilities are on par with other QBs in the "top QB" discussion: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-rankings-accuracy-arm-strength-and-everything-to-know-about-qbs/ It sounds like you guys are saying that he wouldn't be rated so well if he was playing in a different type of offense? Why wouldn't these skills translate to the NFL? On 3/14/2018 at 7:39 AM, LeGOATski said: He's kind of an EJ, but a little more accurate, with a little less arm strength, I think. If he can learn the pro game, he could be very good. He'll need to get better at handling pressure. Whoa, he can play cornerback too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 On 3/14/2018 at 1:48 AM, Turk71 said: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/mason-rudolph-1.html He has good size and good football smarts. I like how he has gotten better every year as well. Hilarious how many 'experts' around here just write off a guy who had one the best college careers ever. I guess when you are so used to good qb play it makes you cynical. He is nothing special. Extremely ordinary. Read his and Nate Peterman’s draft profile on NFL.com and you will see that Nate got a slightly higher pre draft grade. They are the same level of prospects and we are looking for something special, not Bryce Petty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Make it stop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 So we acquired all these assets to draft Mason "Tiny Fingers" Rudolph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 6:28 PM, Bustersit said: Why is this guy not ranked higher on the mock drafts? I don't watch a ton of college football but his numbers are sick. My high level "you tube scouting" that I do everytime this year, tells me nothing. BUT seriously the dude looks amazing. Passer rating, TDs, pick ratio and his hair is sweet too. What is his knock or downfall? Help me understand Short and intermediate routes, no experience under center, average arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 6:28 PM, Bustersit said: Why is this guy not ranked higher on the mock drafts? I don't watch a ton of college football but his numbers are sick. My high level "you tube scouting" that I do everytime this year, tells me nothing. BUT seriously the dude looks amazing. Passer rating, TDs, pick ratio and his hair is sweet too. What is his knock or downfall? Help me understand You expect anyone to take your post seriously, when you end it with... "...and his hair is sweet too." This is why newbies shouldn't be allowed to start new threads until after a fixed amount of time(after joining), or after a number of posts . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/14/2018 at 2:06 AM, Seanbillsfan2206 said: You know who else had one of the greatest college careers ever? Timmy Chang. Google it... Colt Brennan man! That's the guy right there. Actually more talented than Rudolph honestly. On 3/15/2018 at 8:05 PM, nikuman said: I was just wondering the same thing. This article also suggests that his knowledge, skills and abilities are on par with other QBs in the "top QB" discussion: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-rankings-accuracy-arm-strength-and-everything-to-know-about-qbs/ It sounds like you guys are saying that he wouldn't be rated so well if he was playing in a different type of offense? Why wouldn't these skills translate to the NFL? Chris Trapasso articles hold no weight in this argument. He clearly shares an agent with Rudolph or maybe he's his godfather or something. His articles are completely subjective (great for a journalist btw) because his love for Rudolph has made him blind to reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) i have been listening to the radio all day and all the hosts say that there's no way we went up 9 spots without the intention of going to the top. trading cordy glen put us up 9 spots you dumbasses...nothing more ,nothing less. it was not stroke of genius or intent to go to no. 2. so here we are with no. 12. it's the perfect spot to let the draft come to us without giving up a single pick...which we haven't sacrificed not one yet. they are not going to do anything til draft night. they may have a possible trade with the browns for no.4 and i think they do depending on how things shake out. for instance let's say.... 1.darnold 2. rosen 3. mayfield if this happens why would we trade up and give up picks? if the giants are going to take rosen, they ain't trading. that drops barkley in the browns lap so there goes that move..so why would we trade up for allen if he may fall? what if denver takes him at 5? we very well may be stuck with 12, but that's a great spot to be for r. smith or vita vea. and...if these qbs come off like this right off the bat, you can bet other teams are going to scramble to move up, so sitting at 12, we may need to take rudolph there. i believe form here on out, the bills are going to let things play out. Edited March 19, 2018 by billsredneck1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Nope. Allen and Jackson if you want to take a chance on high ceiling, low floor types. Rudolph at 12 is ridiculous. I don't like him much at all, but if you take him in the first round, you better be taking Roquon Smith at 12 and wait till 22 for your third round level qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Nope. Allen and Jackson if you want to take a chance on high ceiling, low floor types. Rudolph at 12 is ridiculous. I don't like him much at all, but if you take him in the first round, you better be taking Roquon Smith at 12 and wait till 22 for your third round level qb. 22 would be ideal, but if it turns into a feeding frenzy there may be no choice. i could see allen here as we have a.j. signed for 2 yrs. which is what i think it will take jethro to fit in. i think rudolph is a derek carr pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, billsredneck1 said: 22 would be ideal, but if it turns into a feeding frenzy there may be no choice. i could see allen here as we have a.j. signed for 2 yrs. which is what i think it will take jethro to fit in. i think rudolph is a derek carr pick. I honestly don't see how, with our draft capital, we get shut out. If there is a run on qb, you can trade up to 7 and grab the fourth qb on your board, which I doubt is Rudolph. You like him more, so the rationale is less problematic for you. That's fine, of course. Maybe he is better than I think, but I will not be amused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4life1924 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/14/2018 at 2:03 PM, MrEpsYtown said: Ohhh Colt Brennan too. His numbers were sick! I was just gonna mention Colt Brennan lol.. glad ur comment was the next one I saw, beat me to it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Bills4life1924 said: I was just gonna mention Colt Brennan lol.. glad ur comment was the next one I saw, beat me to it Dude's numbers were ridiculous! Shows you how much numbers mean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 28 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: i have been listening to the radio all day and all the hosts say that there's no way we went up 9 spots without the intention of going to the top. trading cordy glen put us up 9 spots you dumbasses...nothing more ,nothing less. it was not stroke of genius or intent to go to no. 2. so here we are with no. 12. it's the perfect spot to let the draft come to us without giving up a single pick...which we haven't sacrificed not one yet. they are not going to do anything til draft night. they may have a possible trade with the browns for no.4 and i think they do depending on how things shake out. for instance let's say.... 1.darnold 2. rosen 3. mayfield if this happens why would we trade up and give up picks? if the giants are going to take rosen, they ain't trading. that drops barkley in the browns lap so there goes that move..so why would we trade up for allen if he may fall? what if denver takes him at 5? we very well may be stuck with 12, but that's a great spot to be for r. smith or vita vea. and...if these qbs come off like this right off the bat, you can bet other teams are going to scramble to move up, so sitting at 12, we may need to take rudolph there. i believe form here on out, the bills are going to let things play out. Accumulating a ton of trade assets, getting scared off the price tag, selling mediocrity which is happily sucked up by a large portion of the fanbase who just wants a reason to get drunk and break tables. Yep, that sounds like the last 20 years of Bills football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) I think I'm getting on the Rudolph train. Watch him in this game versus Iowa State. He looks pretty freaking great to me against a pretty good defense. He moves around in the pocket very well, doesn't panic when the defense brings the blitz, extends plays and his ball placement looks great to me. I plan on watching the Virginia Tech game this week. They had the 21st ranked pass defense in college this year and he lit them up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMn7lLfN4d4 Edited March 19, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 6:39 PM, LeGOATski said: He's kind of an EJ, but a little more accurate, with a little less arm strength, I think. If he can learn the pro game, he could be very good. He'll need to get better at handling pressure. How much is “a little more”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 On 14/03/2018 at 5:48 AM, Turk71 said: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/mason-rudolph-1.html He has good size and good football smarts. I like how he has gotten better every year as well. Hilarious how many 'experts' around here just write off a guy who had one the best college careers ever. I guess when you are so used to good qb play it makes you cynical. Either that or we've seen so much bad QB play, we know exactly what it is when we see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 51 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Accumulating a ton of trade assets, getting scared off the price tag, selling mediocrity which is happily sucked up by a large portion of the fanbase who just wants a reason to get drunk and break tables. Yep, that sounds like the last 20 years of Bills football. my point was that if it goes darnold/rosen/mayfield and allen goes to denver at 5....where do we find a trade partner for one of these? no.4...not if barkley is there. imo opinion, next guy up is rudolph and he has just as much of a chance at being the best in the class as the rest. the fact is we may be stuck at 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, Buddo said: Either that or we've seen so much bad QB play, we know exactly what it is when we see it Not really sold on any of these guys. Good prospects but no sure thing. No way I bet the farm on any of them. Just think its funny how you experts can state unequivocably who will suck and who will be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Turk71 said: Not really sold on any of these guys. Good prospects but no sure thing. No way I bet the farm on any of them. Just think its funny how you experts can state unequivocably who will suck and who will be great. I'm pretty much with you on that one - the response was as much to do with the excessive helpings of irony being dished out by yourself. And I would never consider myself an expert. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 6:32 PM, Kmart128 said: He is a scheme QB... A lot like Bryce Petty was. I do like Rudolph better than Petty. But he is rated where he is for similar reasons. Please explain what that means. I see it repeatedly and when I watch his game cut ups, I see many intermediate and deep throws and throws with some anticipation. He definitely did not pad his passing stats with a lot of short passes. I remember when Aaron Rodgers was downgraded because nobody had ever succeeded from a Jeff Telford offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 24 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said: my point was that if it goes darnold/rosen/mayfield and allen goes to denver at 5....where do we find a trade partner for one of these? no.4...not if barkley is there. imo opinion, next guy up is rudolph and he has just as much of a chance at being the best in the class as the rest. the fact is we may be stuck at 12. And my point is saying "oh well, we got locked out, let's overdraft the 6th best QB" is classic Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/14/2018 at 2:03 PM, simool said: Mason Rudolph fraud. Maybe we could arrange to exclusively play big 12 defenses next season. Then we can draft Mayfield and Rudolph. Super Bowl! Again, wasn’t Baker Mayfield and Oklahoma in the same conference? Has anyone ever thought the PAC-10 (Darnold and Rosen) was full of even decent defenses? This is not a paid political ad for Rudolph, but I truly don’t see why so many are so down on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Buddo said: I'm pretty much with you on that one - the response was as much to do with the excessive helpings of irony being dished out by yourself. And I would never consider myself an expert. That's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Dr. Who said: I honestly don't see how, with our draft capital, we get shut out. If there is a run on qb, you can trade up to 7 and grab the fourth qb on your board, which I doubt is Rudolph. You like him more, so the rationale is less problematic for you. That's fine, of course. Maybe he is better than I think, but I will not be amused. I think Denver at 5 might nix that plan. 54 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: How much is “a little more”? How is he anything like EJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: I think Denver at 5 might nix that plan. How is he anything like EJ? I don’t know ... but I only read “a little more accurate than”... and and want to understand if that meant the Gatorade table instead of the hospitality tent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 He's EJ Manuel, but wrapped all over with white bandages like a mummy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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