Steptide Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 I think this is pivotal that we sign a veteran qb for the sake of whoever we draft. I think a guy like McCown would be a great fit at the right cost. McCown also over achieved for the jets this year and showed some promise. I was listening to Sal on wgr the other day and he was talking about how manziel(of all people) said in an interview recently how if it wasnt for McCown he would litterally know nothing about nfl football. Obviously he didn't get the part about partying and being late to meetings, but I do think McCown would be a great mentor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Teddy Bridgewater. A big risk, to be sure, but he is still young and has flashed "Franchise QB" potential. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Don't care....just as long as they're not too capable. ? Just now, Logic said: Teddy Bridgewater. A big risk, to be sure, but he is still young and has flashed "Franchise QB" potential. He might be too good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Honestly with McCown you get a guy that can play if needed and is a heck of an asset in the QB room from what I understand. He would be ideal if we get a guy we want to make meaningful starts this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBillsBacker Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 I’m leaning McCown because of experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) Someone who won't win too many games or have long term cap implications. Any true upside is a bonus. Edited March 11, 2018 by Fetou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 I would be happy with McCown or Bridewater. The nice thing about McCown is he would be likely to transition to a QB coach in the NFL in the next couple years. I could not think of a better mentor for our first round QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Fetou said: Someone who won't win too many games or have long term cap implications. Any true upside is a bonus. yes!! we do not want to win too many games!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 I don't, really. Let Peterman and our rookie (whoever it is) battle it out in camp. Start fresh. If we have to have a vet, make it the cheapest one. I'm tired of journeymen. Lets give the young guys a shot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 minute ago, nedboy7 said: yes!! we do not want to win too many games!!! We just had the joy of ending our playoff drought. Then we had our proud moment in the sun with a spectacular 3-point performance leading to an all-too-predictable first round exit. I would like to see them achieve something a little bit more fun than that, and prioritize all of their thinking around that goal. When I look at this team, I see very little talent. The effort is great, and the coaching appears to be a breath of fresh air, but we are not built to win now. We need to add talent to the team, and the best way we can do it is with draft capital Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 McCown - A guy who gets it, I remember seeing somewhere that he's going to be a highly sought after assistant coaching prospect when he hangs it up. Bridgewater - A gamble, but if he pans out he could be a valuable asset we can flip if/when the rookie is ready, however I worry about drama in the QB room. McCarron - A similar guy to Bridgewater, could be a very valuable asset to flip but again, I don't know he'll be fine handing the job over. Bradford - if he can be on the field is an interesting option, but I just don't see him being available all that much and I worry about putting the rookie in before he's ready. That being said, if we draft the right rookie, he'll be ready. Matt Moore & Derek Anderson - I'd be similarly meh about either, but I wouldn't outright hate it. Wildcard - Blaine Gabbert - He was not awful when he played for Arizona last year Keenum- will want a clear starting job / Cutler - easy pass / Geno - EJ - Henne - Mallet, just no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2zipper Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 I like McCown or Bradford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Steptide said: I think this is pivotal that we sign a veteran qb for the sake of whoever we draft. I think a guy like McCown would be a great fit at the right cost. McCown also over achieved for the jets this year and showed some promise. I was listening to Sal on wgr the other day and he was talking about how manziel(of all people) said in an interview recently how if it wasnt for McCown he would litterally know nothing about nfl football. Obviously he didn't get the part about partying and being late to meetings, but I do think McCown would be a great mentor Buffalo is really the only team that can go for Cousins and not jeopardize their team this year. They have crazy money to fit all this in next year and are loaded with 6 top picks to draft all needs. Buffalo has enough cap space this year to sign Cousins and only Cousins if wanted. Do a 6 year 180 million contract with 40 million signing bonus and a roster bonus of 30 million next year. First year of salaries is low with 10$ this year, signing bonus goes over the 6 years. Next years cap space takes the largest hit with Roster bonus of $30mil, $20 mil salary and $7 mil in signing bonus. We have a project cap available at $80 mil so $57 mil can go hit that. The last 4 years of the contract are $20mil each. with $7 mil signing bonus attached. $27 mill average is cheap by then, cap will be well over $200 mil. Averages $30mil with 1st year getting $17 mil but paying Cousins $50 mil, 2nd year counts $57 mil but pays $50mil, that is the guarantee portion of $100mil. Last 4 years all even with cap hits of $27 mil but $20 mil paid out meaning more cash to sign our free agents. Buffalo keeps all picks so in 4 years we can pay our guys. We still have $10-15 mil to fill holes with cuts after draft and camp. Cousins isn't worth $30/mil a year but Taylor isn't worth $18 mil either. Fitz wasn't worth the $15mil. Cousins can throw, we have McCoy for 2-3 more years, probably next year will be his peak with a good line. Go for it!!!! Why not we have 8 picks NOT TO WASTE! 42 minutes ago, Steptide said: I think this is pivotal that we sign a veteran qb for the sake of whoever we draft. I think a guy like McCown would be a great fit at the right cost. McCown also over achieved for the jets this year and showed some promise. I was listening to Sal on wgr the other day and he was talking about how manziel(of all people) said in an interview recently how if it wasnt for McCown he would litterally know nothing about nfl football. Obviously he didn't get the part about partying and being late to meetings, but I do think McCown would be a great mentor Moore would be better if mentoring is the objective. We need someone who can play possibly the first year. I am of a different thought. With 8 picks we can draft starters and backups with 6 being in 1st three rounds, 3-4 of them will be starters. Play this smart and we can win now, compete for division and Super Bowls. Go for broke sign Cousins and Watkins. Play it a bit smarter. Sign McCown and Bridgewater and have it all out in camp with loser being backup. Draft every pick, don't move. Get a QB in 2nd or 3rd round for project. Let Peterman go. Edited March 11, 2018 by USABuffaloFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Too many unknowns with this years FA veteran QB class Bridgewater presents the most potential. But can he recover from that horrible knee injury? Glennon is the safest choice for a season or two. He doesn't have the upside that Bridgewater has. Nor does he have the specter of a career ending knee injury. He has a track record, nothing flashy but not terrible. Keenum has more upside than Glennon, but will also want alot more money. I'm not sure the BIlls are willing to commit that much cash and in the process write off this years draft class in favor of a QB with a limited track record McCown is the best bridge guy if the plan is to draft a QB. The problem is if the BIlls don't land their guy, McCown is likely to be more than just a bridge McCarron, when was the last time a career backup Free Agent became a franchise QB for another team? Bradford is damaged goods. None of the others are worth pursuing except as a backup or #3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 38 minutes ago, Fetou said: Someone who won't win too many games or have long term cap implications. Any true upside is a bonus. What!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 minute ago, /dev/null said: Too many unknowns with this years FA veteran QB class Bridgewater presents the most potential. But can he recover from that horrible knee injury? Glennon is the safest choice for a season or two. He doesn't have the upside that Bridgewater has. Nor does he have the specter of a career ending knee injury. He has a track record, nothing flashy but not terrible. Keenum has more upside than Glennon, but will also want alot more money. I'm not sure the BIlls are willing to commit that much cash and in the process write off this years draft class in favor of a QB with a limited track record McCown is the best bridge guy if the plan is to draft a QB. The problem is if the BIlls don't land their guy, McCown is likely to be more than just a bridge McCarron, when was the last time a career backup Free Agent became a franchise QB for another team? Bradford is damaged goods. None of the others are worth pursuing except as a backup or #3. He also doesn't have talent, skill or the ability to run an offense. You are right, he isn't terrible. He's so bad there isn't even a word for it in the known English language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 42 minutes ago, Logic said: Teddy Bridgewater. A big risk, to be sure, but he is still young and has flashed "Franchise QB" potential. Can't be just him and rookie QB. Need a stable veteran. Moore and him or have it out with McCown and him competing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Ryan Fitzmonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 39 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: yes!! we do not want to win too many games!!! LMAO!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 33 minutes ago, Fetou said: We just had the joy of ending our playoff drought. Then we had our proud moment in the sun with a spectacular 3-point performance leading to an all-too-predictable first round exit. I would like to see them achieve something a little bit more fun than that, and prioritize all of their thinking around that goal. When I look at this team, I see very little talent. The effort is great, and the coaching appears to be a breath of fresh air, but we are not built to win now. We need to add talent to the team, and the best way we can do it is with draft capital Sorry the team couldnt score enough points for you to feel good about them. Jacksonville scored 10. Against our scrubs. They must suck too. When you look at this team I doubt you see anything but negativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Ryan Fitzmonkey Fitz isn’t available . How about EJ? He got his change of scenery already . And lots of folks said that he never got a fair shot to be good. Well, here is the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Sorry the team couldnt score enough points for you to feel good about them. Jacksonville scored 10. Against our scrubs. They must suck too. When you look at this team I doubt you see anything but negativity. I see Tre White as a cornerstone kind of player. I see two very good safeties on fantastic contracts. I see good coaching and a reason to be optimistic with the front office. Shady McCoy is an amazing win now asset and fun to watch. That's about it. Beyond that, there is very little talent or anything of trade value. That Jacksonville team makes our team look like dog****. And that is with a mediocre at best quarterback. They likely have more talent on defense than we could compile from every roster in the last ten years. Edited March 11, 2018 by Fetou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fetou said: I see Tre White as a cornerstone kind of player. I see two very good safeties on fantastic contracts. I see good coaching and a reason to be optimistic with the front office. That's about it. That Jacksonville team makes our team look like dog****. And that is with a mediocre at best quarterback. They likely have more talent on defense than we would have from every roster in the last ten years. so you like 3 of our players. thats a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Too many unknowns with this years FA veteran QB class Bridgewater presents the most potential. But can he recover from that horrible knee injury? Glennon is the safest choice for a season or two. He doesn't have the upside that Bridgewater has. Nor does he have the specter of a career ending knee injury. He has a track record, nothing flashy but not terrible. Keenum has more upside than Glennon, but will also want alot more money. I'm not sure the BIlls are willing to commit that much cash and in the process write off this years draft class in favor of a QB with a limited track record McCown is the best bridge guy if the plan is to draft a QB. The problem is if the BIlls don't land their guy, McCown is likely to be more than just a bridge McCarron, when was the last time a career backup Free Agent became a franchise QB for another team? Bradford is damaged goods. None of the others are worth pursuing except as a backup or #3. Why is McCarron a career backup. He was a top QB coming out of college winning I think 2 Championships. If Buffalo had drafted him I think people would have been very happy. See no logic in your statement. Cincy did not want to lose him, court ruled against on free agency status. Until Dalton's huge throw, McCarron calls were very often called out in games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 I don't think Bridgewater wants to go somewhere where he'd be the backup qb. My guess is he'd sign with a team with the best potential to be starter. I think that probably would put the bills low on his list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 47 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: I don't, really. Let Peterman and our rookie (whoever it is) battle it out in camp. Start fresh. If we have to have a vet, make it the cheapest one. I'm tired of journeymen. Lets give the young guys a shot. You are not a gambling man, why in Vegas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 There are two QB's I like for the reason that if you get talent around them they will win with it. Foles has already proven this, the Eagles are very talented and Foles was able to win the super with it. McCarron is the same type of QB just has not proven that he can do it yet. He had the talent advantage in college and he won. McCarron has done ok as a starter, I think if you put him on a team like the Eagles with a talent advantage that he can do the same things as Foles. I still think the best strategy for us to fix the QB issues that have plagued us for the past years is to sign AJ McCarron in FA and draft Baker Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 44 minutes ago, Fetou said: We just had the joy of ending our playoff drought. Then we had our proud moment in the sun with a spectacular 3-point performance leading to an all-too-predictable first round exit. I would like to see them achieve something a little bit more fun than that, and prioritize all of their thinking around that goal. When I look at this team, I see very little talent. The effort is great, and the coaching appears to be a breath of fresh air, but we are not built to win now. We need to add talent to the team, and the best way we can do it is with draft capital We won 9 games, were in on 2-3 more and if we had a QB would have beat Jacksonville. That was without a passer and sack people. Just not seeing what you see. Oh by the way we have 6 picks in the Top 3 rounds with one of the 3rd's being the 1st pick. that is 4 picks in the top 60 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 1 minute ago, USABuffaloFan said: Why is McCarron a career backup. He was a top QB coming out of college winning I think 2 Championships. If Buffalo had drafted him I think people would have been very happy. See no logic in your statement. Cincy did not want to lose him, court ruled against on free agency status. Until Dalton's huge throw, McCarron calls were very often called out in games. In 3 NFL seasons AJM has only thrown a total of 133 passes and the only games he has started was because the Bengals starting QB was injured. That is the definition of a career backup. I think you misinterpreted my question "when was the last time a career backup Free Agent became a franchise QB for another team?" AJM could possibly become somebody's franchise QB, but history is not on his side 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, prissythecat said: Fitz isn’t available . How about EJ? He got his change of scenery already . And lots of folks said that he never got a fair shot to be good. Well, here is the chance. I sure hope this is a joke!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 52 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: I don't, really. Let Peterman and our rookie (whoever it is) battle it out in camp. Start fresh. If we have to have a vet, make it the cheapest one. I'm tired of journeymen. Lets give the young guys a shot. It's really not about McCown starting, more of the mentor than anything and that is valuable to have imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 If the Bills Trade up for Rosen or Mayfield I'm 100% on board with McCown as the bridge/mentor QB. With 15 years exp across the league knowing his time as a player is a season or 2 away, I believe he would hands down be the best suited candidate for us to mold our shiny new toy at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: so you like 3 of our players. thats a good start. Guys like that are hopeless and depressed. So he doesn't like our LT's, Incognito, Groy, Benjamin, Clay, Lawson, Holmes, Kyle Williams, etc.. I admit we need upgrades but this is a young team with 8 picks. One QB from 2-3 more wins. Maybe the guy should get more sun and vitamin D3 and move to Jacksonville. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, Steptide said: I don't think Bridgewater wants to go somewhere where he'd be the backup qb. My guess is he'd sign with a team with the best potential to be starter. I think that probably would put the bills low on his list Bridgewater will only get one year deal. He and the team won't want to be locked into anything. You are correct he doesn't want to be a back-up but no team is going to put their QB future on his knee. He will sign with one of the teams that is sure to draft a first round QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Nick Foles.....up and down career with mostly the down part being under Jeff FIsher and that Rams team.....nuff said......if the price is right def target him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, Steptide said: I don't think Bridgewater wants to go somewhere where he'd be the backup qb. My guess is he'd sign with a team with the best potential to be starter. I think that probably would put the bills low on his list And with that statement who will just hand out starting job to him. Tell me a team you know will give him starting status? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, USABuffaloFan said: Guys like that are hopeless and depressed. So he doesn't like our LT's, Incognito, Groy, Benjamin, Clay, Lawson, Holmes, Kyle Williams, etc.. I admit we need upgrades but this is a young team with 8 picks. One QB from 2-3 more wins. Maybe the guy should get more sun and vitamin D3 and move to Jacksonville. Kyle Williams is very close to retirement. Incognito is 34 years old. Benjamin is a piece, but certainly not a top-end #1 WR. That you are reaching for Lawson and Holmes really says it all in terms of the talent level on this team. Lets see: Malik Jackson, Telvin Smith, Jalen Ramsey, AJ Bouye, Myles Jack, Yannick Ngakoue, Calais Campbell. Edited March 11, 2018 by Fetou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 I think it depends on who you are drafting. If you aren't going to trade up or need a guy for 1-2 years I would probably go Bradford or Keenum. If if you are signing a guy to be the guy I guess you go after Bridgewater or McCar on, who are both still young. The other option would be a trade for Foles. If you trade up for Josh Rosen you sign a guy to basically start 4-8 games this year while Rosen gets ready. That could be a much older guy who isn't all that impressive. That could be McCown, Matt Moore, Chad Henne..something along those lines. Any way you slice it you absolutely must have a veteran in the quarterback room. It can't be like Peterman and a rookie. What the Bills do this week is going to give us a good idea of what their draft plans are imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Just now, MrEpsYtown said: I think it depends on who you are drafting. If you aren't going to trade up or need a guy for 1-2 years I would probably go Bradford or Keenum. If if you are signing a guy to be the guy I guess you go after Bridgewater or McCar on, who are both still young. The other option would be a trade for Foles. If you trade up for Josh Rosen you sign a guy to basically start 4-8 games this year while Rosen gets ready. That could be a much older guy who isn't all that impressive. That could be McCown, Matt Moore, Chad Henne..something along those lines. Any way you slice it you absolutely must have a veteran in the quarterback room. It can't be like Peterman and a rookie. What the Bills do this week is going to give us a good idea of what their draft plans are imo. I agree with this If its Josh Rosen....then you should not spend a ton for the vet...because chances are that guy will not finish the season as the starter. If you stand fast and draft at say....21 and Lamar Jackson....then you need to invest a little more money in the vet because Lamar needs a year of holding a clipboard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, /dev/null said: In 3 NFL seasons AJM has only thrown a total of 133 passes and the only games he has started was because the Bengals starting QB was injured. That is the definition of a career backup. I think you misinterpreted my question "when was the last time a career backup Free Agent became a franchise QB for another team?" AJM could possibly become somebody's franchise QB, but history is not on his side Aaron Rodgers was a career backup, so was Steve Young to your definition. SF is making Garoppolo that man. Alex Smith has become that man. Cousins has become that man. Your wrong. McCarron was drafted by Cincy as insurance and future. Maybe trade collateral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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