Kirby Jackson Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Coming in sixth in the AFC isn’t satisfying to me. I don’t call that winning. Riding Peterman to a worse finish, knowing for sure he sucks and having a top ten pick ( and all the higher picks in the following rounds) along with KC’s pick would make me a happier person today. It’s called “ Short term sacrifice for long term gain” or foresight . I’m glad that I don’t have that loser mentality. It’s worked great for he Sabres. I would love to win a Super Bowl but am not mad at a guy that was 23-21 as a Bills QB. Find me the last Bills to do that? 10 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Foles won more games than he lost. In the playoffs, he won more than he lost. He also won more Super Bowls than he lost. There's a reason Foles' value is set at a 1st, and TT's a 3rd. So you want Foles? I want Rosen (and have since prior to the 2017 draft). It’s documented. We will see who is better from this point forward. Also, you can set the value wherever you want. I think Foles fetched a 2nd max. Edited March 10, 2018 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: 23-21 Heck of a winning mentality you’re espousing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, JohnC said: Bill, You may be right that he has more potential but that isn't the overriding issue for us. It appears that the Bills are going to make a move up for a premium qb prospect. If that is the plan then the thinking is for a short term holding plan strategy for the veteran qb. If the Bills do get McCarron you are not going to hear any complaints from me. I think he can do a solid job. But ask yourself from McCarron's perspective who has patiently waited behind Dalton and challenged the Bengals for his free agent status is that the best situation for him? If McCarron was willing to accept a one year or two contract in order to upgrade his status I would be all for it. My belief is that McCarron has options in the market. Although I'm not sure that Buffalo is the best option for him it would be a reasonable option for us. Buffalo has a starting QB job, it is his job if they sign him. Someone like Moore would end up being signed to back him up. This is a solid choice though I would go for Foles and drafting a QB with second or third pick to compete with Peterson for backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, Buffalo Boy said: Heck of a winning mentality you’re espousing. Says the guy that wanted the team to lose!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 43 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Sure it does if you do not let one game define a career. A carreer? Foles is that long suffering journeyman who finally made good... He's 22-17 as starter, 61 touchdowns to 29 INT's, one pro-bowl appearance, and one SB ring that as much as you want it to, cannot be swept aside. He was a late 3rd rounder in 2012.. Taken long after guys like RG3, Tanneyhill, Weeden, Osweiller, -even Wilson.. He endured a rough start, got bounced around the league, Suffered disappointments, but still took one last shot before walking away. He'd be a great example to any team of what's possible if you keep putting in the work. OR, you can mortgage the next 3+ years of your future for a #1 pick who hasn't done diddly squat. 43 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Let another team make a mistake of doing that we already did once with Rob Johnson What mistake? -Not starting Flutie? Edited March 10, 2018 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 If the Bills are seriously considering trading a high draft pick for Nick Foles, I am hoping they are asking themselves a few simple questions: 1. What happened to Foles and his play during the 2014-2016 seasons? 2. Why was nobody in our organization interested in Foles when he was available during Free Agency exactly one year ago? 3. How much did their opinion of Foles change between January 20, 2018 and February 4, 2018? The cold hard facts. Most of the media saw Foles as a backup-level QB, and felt the Eagles were going to get easily knocked out by the Vikings in the Divisional Playoffs. Three weeks and two games later, he was suddenly a tremendous asset and best reserve in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Coming in sixth in the AFC isn’t satisfying to me. I don’t call that winning. Riding Peterman to a worse finish, knowing for sure he sucks and having a top ten pick ( and all the higher picks in the following rounds) along with KC’s pick would make me a happier person today. It’s called “ Short term sacrifice for long term gain” or foresight . What do you call it then? You have a Ricky Bobby mentality...you either go 0-16 first pick or 16-0 and win the SB. Boy there are steps in between in life. So unless you tank and lose you are showing no foresight! Got it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, #34fan said: A carreer? Foles is that long suffering journeyman who finally made good... He's 22-17 as starter, 61 touchdowns to 29 INT's, one pro-bowl appearance, and one SB ring that as much as you want it to, cannot be swept aside. He was a late 3rd rounder in 2012.. Taken long after guys like RG3, Tanneyhill, Weeden, Osweiller, -even Wilson.. He endured a rough start, got bounced around the league, Suffered disappointments, but still took one last shot before walking away. He'd be a great example to any team of what's possible if you keep putting in the work. OR, you can mortgage the next 3+ years of your future for a #1 pick who hasn't done diddly squat. What mistake? -Not starting Flutie? ....great...let's regurgitate pre-Y2K lore ...this should be fun.....YAWN.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m glad that I don’t have that loser mentality. It’s worked great for he Sabres. I would love to win a Super Bowl but am not mad at a guy that was 23-21 as a Bills QB. Find me the last Bills to do that? So you want Foles? I want Rosen (and have since prior to the 2017 draft). It’s documented. We will see who is better from this point forward. Also, you can set the value wherever you want. I think Foles fetched a 2nd max. Is a second better than a third? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Is a second better than a third? Yes, he hasn’t gotten that yet either. I thought that you wanted Cutler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....great...let's regurgitate pre-Y2K lore ...this should be fun.....YAWN.......... Wait a minute.... -Why can't Rob Johnson have his own thread in 2018? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, #34fan said: Wait a minute.... -Why can't Rob Johnson have his own thread in 2018? ...be my guest........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I’m glad that I don’t have that loser mentality. It’s worked great for he Sabres. I would love to win a Super Bowl but am not mad at a guy that was 23-21 as a Bills QB. Find me the last Bills to do that? So you want Foles? I want Rosen (and have since prior to the 2017 draft). It’s documented. We will see who is better from this point forward. Also, you can set the value wherever you want. I think Foles fetched a 2nd max. The issue isn't really if the fans want Foles, Rosen or whomever. It's the draft, FA and trades. All have a price to pay , opportunity cost possibilities etc. it really comes down to what does the Bills FO value most, who do they believe in or not, and what is the path they choose to get the franchise to the promised land? I think there are a few different ways they could go, but no idea what way they will ultimately decide is right. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Yes, he hasn’t gotten that yet either. I thought that you wanted Cutler? I think Cutty may have limited value to this team, the difference between him and a Bradford may be worth the dropoff if we have a QB we expect to be ready by week 4 at the latest. I don't want Foles for a 2nd on this team. I think that's too much for us. For whatever team loses out on Cousins, namely Denver, it may be worth it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: The issue isn't really if the fans want Foles, Rosen or whomever. It's the draft, FA and trades. All have a price to pay , opportunity cost possibilities etc. it really comes down to what does the Bills FO value most, who do they believe in or not, and what is the path they choose to get the franchise to the promised land? I think there are a few different ways they could go, but no idea what way they will ultimately decide is right. I don’t disagree but everything that they have done is based on not settling for acceptable QB play. It has been beaten to death in here. I don’t think that they turn around and go to Kennum, Bradford, Foles, etc... that potentially offers you average play. I (firmly) believe that they are trying to hit a home run with the QB. That’s why they have done the research that they have and loaded up with picks. 2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: I think Cutty may have limited value to this team, the difference between him and a Bradford may be worth the dropoff if we have a QB we expect to be ready by week 4 at the latest. I don't want Foles for a 2nd on this team. I think that's too much for us. For whatever team loses out on Cousins, namely Denver, it may be worth it. Agree with all of that. I don’t want an expensive vet. I’d like it to be $7M or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t disagree but everything that they have done is based on not settling for acceptable QB play. It has been beaten to death in here. I don’t think that they turn around and go to Kennum, Bradford, Foles, etc... that potentially offers you average play. I (firmly) believe that they are trying to hit a home run with the QB. That’s why they have done the research that they have and loaded up with picks. Agree with all of that. I don’t want an expensive vet. I’d like it to be $7M or less. $5M for Cutty to smoke cigarettes and hangout behind Rosen for 16 weeks is perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, horned dogs said: What do you call it then? You have a Ricky Bobby mentality...you either go 0-16 first pick or 16-0 and win the SB. Boy there are steps in between in life. So unless you tank and lose you are showing no foresight! Got it No one is guaranteed anything but educated guesses can be made ahead of time about a teams chances and our chances of getting to the SB , much less winning it last year , were slim and none. If you say otherwise you are BSing to win an argument. Breaking “ the drought” doesn’t do us a dumb bit of good today other than the warm fuzzy we all had for a week before we LOST in the playoffs. Again, I’d rather have the higher pick today. And please don’t compare hockey to football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: $5M for Cutty to smoke cigarettes and hangout behind Rosen for 16 weeks is perfect. I am okay with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...be my guest........ I'll call it: "Nck Foles, -The next Rob Johnson" 41 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: I hate to break it to you, but even if the Bills win the Super Bowl, you aren't getting a ring! Wait... Can't you buy a replica's on the team website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, #34fan said: I just want a SB ring... If you're looking for a veteran stopgap QB , and last year's SB winner is available, how do you not at least research a move in that direction? Can he get you to a SB starting the whole season? From what I've seen so far, he can't and until he starts a season and takes an team to a SB my stance will stay the same. I'm not saying he wouldn't be a good fit here, but to give up valuable picks for a guy who's never proven he can other than I'd like another team to use the picks on him, just my opinions, I'm ok that others don't agree, at least were finally talking about Buffalo and the QB position. Edited March 10, 2018 by BuffaloBillsGospel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, #34fan said: I'll call it: "Nck Foles, -The next Rob Johnson" Wait... Can't you buy a replica's on the team website? a replica's what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I have no interest in Foles. Go get a top rookie Agree 200% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: $5M for Cutty to smoke cigarettes and hangout behind Rosen for 16 weeks is perfect. You're plan is to draft Rosen and play him right away? The guy is a 6'4" 213 lbs twig who suffered 2 concussions last year. He wouldn't last the season. People thinking any of these qbs are a guaranteed success are way off imo. I want a qb who can play now while the prospect learns. There is no reason the Bills can't compete immediately while grooming the future. This team made the playoffs with below avg qb play. No reason they can't go further with a better qb. I want them to keep winning, not just blindly hoping the guy they picked is gonna be the one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, Turk71 said: You're plan is to draft Rosen and play him right away? The guy is a 6'4" 213 lbs twig who suffered 2 concussions last year. He wouldn't last the season. People thinking any of these qbs are a guaranteed success are way off imo. I want a qb who can play now while the prospect learns. There is no reason the Bills can't compete immediately while grooming the future. This team made the playoffs with below avg qb play. No reason they can't go further with a better qb. I want them to keep winning, not just blindly hoping the guy they picked is gonna be the one. Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, mjt328 said: If the Bills are seriously considering trading a high draft pick for Nick Foles, I am hoping they are asking themselves a few simple questions: 1. What happened to Foles and his play during the 2014-2016 seasons? 2. Why was nobody in our organization interested in Foles when he was available during Free Agency exactly one year ago? 3. How much did their opinion of Foles change between January 20, 2018 and February 4, 2018? The cold hard facts. Most of the media saw Foles as a backup-level QB, and felt the Eagles were going to get easily knocked out by the Vikings in the Divisional Playoffs. Three weeks and two games later, he was suddenly a tremendous asset and best reserve in the league. Philly did the most "unlike the NFL-thing" they could possibly do when Wentz went down and they were forced to rely on Foles--they changed their offense to suit what he was most comfortable/able to do. Virtually to a man, NFL coaches are about hammering round, square, triangular and oblong pegs into round holes. They are infatuated by their own expertise and ability to play a system and get the roster to follow suit. It took an iconclast like Pederson to shrug off that straitjacket. Now I may be wrong and have not followed Foles career enough, but he seems like the classic square peg in round hole guy. Played his best football under smart offensive-mined guys like Pederson and Reid and struggled under boneheads like Jeff Fisher. He also seems like the proverbial plain-jane little sister that the guys all ignored until she put on some makeup and filled out her blouse. I'd be fine with Foles as the bridge guy if none of the first round picks are involved in landing him Daboll could steal from Pederson's RPO playbook and build an offense that would accentuate Foles' strengths and help a rookie draft pick learn the ropes. Foles also has a cap-friendly contract that runs through 2021 [ http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/nick-foles-9898/ ] that wouldn't be that hard to carry if the heir apparent comes on faster than anticipated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 17 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: a replica's what? Replica... As in, -I'm pretty sure I can get a replica of the ring we'll win with Foles as our QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, #34fan said: Replica... As in, -I'm pretty sure I can get a replica of the ring we'll win with Foles as our QB. I know, I was just messing with you over your horrible grammar and punctuation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 ....Chip pushed Roseman aside......Roseman knows cap....Chip knew crap....Roseman will figure it out while keeping Nick IMO...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: I know, I was just messing with you over your horrible grammar and punctuation. Pissed me off when you said I wasn't getting a ring... I was like "Why the F___ can I not have a F___ing ring.... I think I've earned it!" Edited March 10, 2018 by #34fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, Turk71 said: You're plan is to draft Rosen and play him right away? The guy is a 6'4" 213 lbs twig who suffered 2 concussions last year. He wouldn't last the season. People thinking any of these qbs are a guaranteed success are way off imo. I want a qb who can play now while the prospect learns. There is no reason the Bills can't compete immediately while grooming the future. This team made the playoffs with below avg qb play. No reason they can't go further with a better qb. I want them to keep winning, not just blindly hoping the guy they picked is gonna be the one. 15 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Who? Rosen and Baker are the only 2 guys that start day 1 IMO. He is very advanced mentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 6 hours ago, Juice_32 said: Super Bowl MVP = retread. Tough crowd. Indeed. 6 hours ago, Juice_32 said: I'd be happy with Foles and don't think that getting him prevents us from moving up for a top rookie. Walk through this with me. To trade up for a top rookie we need draft picks. To trade for Foles we need draft picks. Either or, not both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Who? Foles is my first choice, his contract is ridiculously team friendly. If not I would look for the best value. There are a lot of qbs on the market that would still be upgrades imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, Turk71 said: Foles is my first choice, his contract is ridiculously team friendly. If not I would look for the best value. There are a lot of qbs on the market that would still be upgrades imo. If you acquire Foles, you may not get the best prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, jmc12290 said: If you acquire Foles, you may not get the best prospect. They aren’t trading for Foles AND trading up. They aren’t using a 2nd for a 1 year bridge. It’s one or the other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, jmc12290 said: If you acquire Foles, you may not get the best prospect. I guess it all depends on what you would have to pay, and somehow knowing who the best prospect is going to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 6 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Philly has to knock off 9 mill from its cap before 4 pm ET March 14. Can they get there without trading Foles? After losing out in the Tyrod Taylor sweepstakes (felt good saying that), looks like it might come down to the Cardinals as the Bills, main competition. Dark Horse is the Colts who might move down from no. 3 and use part of the returns to reunite Frank Reich with the SB MVP. bottomline: I'd offer good odds on a trade for Foles happening the afternoon of March 14. Interesting take. I heard Indy is going to draft a QB at #3 and trade Luck and load up on picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 49 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: The issue isn't really if the fans want Foles, Rosen or whomever. It's the draft, FA and trades. All have a price to pay , opportunity cost possibilities etc. it really comes down to what does the Bills FO value most, who do they believe in or not, and what is the path they choose to get the franchise to the promised land? I think there are a few different ways they could go, but no idea what way they will ultimately decide is right. 1000000% agree. Hit the nail on it's proverbial head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said: They aren’t trading for Foles AND trading up. They aren’t using a 2nd for a 1 year bridge. It’s one or the other. I'd be FINE with that... Under those circumstances, I might support taking either Jackson or Rudolph at 22 if they fall... Payne is still my pick at 21, tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Indeed. Walk through this with me. To trade up for a top rookie we need draft picks. To trade for Foles we need draft picks. Either or, not both. Philly can huff and puff about wanting a first or more for Foles, but they're over a barrel. They'll get nothing if he's on the roster at the end of 2018. Now they could hold off and hope another team has an injury and gets desperate. But IMO, they'll eventually jump on something like this year's #2 and a 2019 second round pick--which I'd be happy to oblige... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Lurker said: Philly can huff and puff about wanting a first or more for Foles, but they're over a barrel. They'll get nothing if he's on the roster at the end of 2018. Now they could hold off and hope another team has an injury and gets desperate. But IMO, they'll eventually jump on something like this year's #2 and a 2019 second round pick--which I'd be happy to oblige... It's a fair price... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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