Nick Foles is going nowhere...

[NastyNateSoldiers]

Btw today i was thinking bout Foles vs Cousins and the benefits of going after one or the other. The price for Foles is a high rd pk so we would essentially be making him our answer for 5, 6 more yrs that would also mean he's gonna get an extension at about 22 to 25 mil per season. With that being said I'd rather just pay Cousins and not have to give up any pks . 

[Rochesterfan]

20 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Why would the Eagles even entertain trading him?

 

1 - He just proved in the playoffs how valuable an above average backup is.

 

2 - He is on a team friendly deal for next year.

 

3 - Most important...will Wentz be ready for the 2018 season, and even if he does start in the opener,  how long before he is 100%, or what if he has a setback?

 

 

 

 

I think the Eagles and Foles talk and together decide what they want to do.  Obviously the Eagles think very highly of Foles and my guess is if he has a desire to try and start again - they will work out a trade.  If Foles says he loves his role and wants to be in Philly for his teammates- they keep him around.

 

It is a business first and foremost, but I think there are some coaches that care and listen and if a guy is a great teammate- they work things out to benefit both parties.

 

Foles has shown himself to be a good leader and teammate and I think that is valuable- so if he wants a shot - especially if Reich takes the Indy job - maybe you make a trade and Indy uses their top pick for a QB and sells off Luck for future draft capital. 

 

 

[billsredneck1]

9 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

After everything has been said and done..odds are Taylor will most likely be our starter for next years opener.Beane is not going to overpay for a FA and he's not going to sink a group of picks to move up for a qb..he already said he has some major holes to fill.Meaning WR,DE,DT,RT,RG,MLB and OLB.

peterman would win the job in camp.

13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think if they do trade him, they will try to do right by him in that it would be somewhere he wants to go and he’s on board. I mean, he did win them the SB. 

and what better place than buffalo.....

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Im usually not overly negative about the team but this would be “same old Bills” to me and would drain any enthusiasm i had for the next season. I admire the dedication of the Bills optimists on this board who continue to  tirelessly defend  Tyrod in every thread. I don’t get it but it’s fascinating. 

it's nauseating....like two years of ej being handcuffed by marrone and hackett posts.....same posters.

[HOUSE]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Bradham is a FA. 

 

Philly is $9M in the red on the Cap this year and short on draft picks.  One of their motivations to trade Foles (if they are motivated) would be to shed cap and gain picks.  They are not going to trade Foles for a high-priced veteran player.

 

 

What would you do to a GM that traded a QB who just won you a Superbowl, while Mr Franchise QB is still recovering from an injury, potentially leaving your team with 0 proven QB?

Bottom line, Foles will be gone after the 2018 season, holding him as a backup must be worth a #1 draft pick.....won't happen

[BuffaloHokie13]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I feel like this thread will be bumped in a few weeks to a few months once Foles is traded.

 

Tyrod was horrible this year.

 

Just remember Baldo believes the only reason Taylor wasn’t drafted in the first round was because of race.  He defends Taylor no matter how bad of an argument it is.

Care to expand at all? By what metric or measure (hopefully multiple)? What is your cutoff in said measure for horrible?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

45 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Bottom line, Foles will be gone after the 2018 season, holding him as a backup must be worth a #1 draft pick.....won't happen

 

Bottom line, you didn't answer my question.  

-Your team just won the Superbowl

-Your Franchise QB starter tears an ACL and LCL in Nov and has surgery in Dec, an injury that normally has a 9 month timeline for athletes to return to play, but 12 months to return to full strength and effectiveness

-The risk of reinjury is high for athletes who rush back

 

You've specified you fired the GM who doesn't trade him.

What do you do to a GM who trades your superbowl-winning backup, leaving you potentially with 0 QB next year?

 

Bottom line, the Eagles are in a bit of a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation, and there are arguments to be made on both sides.  The Eagles have shown willingness to do whatever pleases them at the QB position without regard to pundits and armchair GMs who call them crazy for investing as much at QB as they have, so I imagine they'll continue to do what makes sense to them, even if it doesn't make sense to you.

 

2 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

I think the Eagles and Foles talk and together decide what they want to do.  Obviously the Eagles think very highly of Foles and my guess is if he has a desire to try and start again - they will work out a trade.  If Foles says he loves his role and wants to be in Philly for his teammates- they keep him around.

 

It is a business first and foremost, but I think there are some coaches that care and listen and if a guy is a great teammate- they work things out to benefit both parties.

 

Foles has shown himself to be a good leader and teammate and I think that is valuable- so if he wants a shot - especially if Reich takes the Indy job - maybe you make a trade and Indy uses their top pick for a QB and sells off Luck for future draft capital.

 

I think the Eagles may seek Foles input, but the trade (or not) will be ultimately driven by comparing Foles undoubted value to the team vs. the team's need for cap space and draft picks.

 

They do need to somehow create $9M of cap space by March 14th, and trading Foles would get them halfway there.  Of course, he could renegotiate if he wants to stay, too.

Edited February 8, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I feel like this thread will be bumped in a few weeks to a few months once Foles is traded.

 

Tyrod was horrible this year.

 

Just remember Baldo believes the only reason Taylor wasn’t drafted in the first round was because of race.  He defends Taylor no matter how bad of an argument it is.

 

62%  14 TD and 4 INT and  a QB rating of 89 and game managing a team to the playoffs is "horrible" now?

 

Of course it's not, Creeplebees.

 

I get that some of you are emotional and having a tantrum about the topic..........but you are just abjectly wrong with hyperbole like "Tyrod was horrible this year".

 

It's a bad look if you hope engage in RATIONAL football topic discussions at a point in the future when you are back on your meds. 

 

As for me defending Taylor regardless of the accuracy of the take........not hardly.......there has been no greater champion of upgrading the QB position on TSW than I.......while you were nursing a groin on BBMB (Teef's groin)....I have been a staunch proponent of upgrading the QB position by taking a QB in round 1 every year for the past decade.

 

Always be upgrading the QB position.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

33 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Care to expand at all? By what metric or measure (hopefully multiple)? What is your cutoff in said measure for horrible?

 

This is what I’m measuring this on.

 

- Roughly 9 games with 1 TD or less.

- 29 total offensive TD’s

-Towards the bottom on the league in passing.

- Identifying the open WR downfield and relying on throwing to RB’s coming out of the backfield.

- Ball placement issues.

- Taking way too many sacks simply because he held the ball too long.

 

Dennison was a major issue of course...it’s not all Tyrods fault.  Even after our running game got going in the middle of the year, we still couldn’t do anything in the air.

[Thurman#1]

On 2/8/2018 at 12:08 AM, LabattBlue said:

Why would the Eagles even entertain trading him?

 

1 - He just proved in the playoffs how valuable an above average backup is.

 

2 - He is on a team friendly deal for next year.

 

3 - Most important...will Wentz be ready for the 2018 season, and even if he does start in the opener,  how long before he is 100%, or what if he has a setback?

 

 

 

 

Bottom line is it could go either way. He'd be very useful to the Eagles this year if Wentz is injured again. And this is probably the peak of his value, so they would get maximum value for trading him.

 

Both make sense. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

62%  14 TD and 4 INT and  a QB rating of 89 and game managing a team to the playoffs is "horrible" now?

 

Of course it's not, Creeplebees.

 

I get that some of you are emotional and having a tantrum about the topic..........but you are just abjectly wrong with hyperbole like "Tyrod was horrible this year".

 

It's a bad look if you hope engage in RATIONAL football topic discussions at a point in the future when you are back on your meds. 

 

As for me defending Taylor regardless of the accuracy of the take........not hardly.......there has been no greater champion of upgrading the QB position on TSW than I.......while you were nursing a groin on BBMB (Teef's groin)....I have been a staunch proponent of upgrading the QB position by taking a QB in round 1 every year for the past decade.

 

Always be upgrading the QB position.

 

 

Oh god here comes Baldo with his typical 12 year old response “nursing Teefs groin”.  Back on your meds?  You’re an adult right?  

 

You made the argument he wasn’t a 1st round pick because of race.  That’s what I’m talking about.  Yeah that’s rationale.

 

14 TD’s is not horrible?

It would be very difficult to have a below 60% completion percentage if you’re constantly throwing to RB coming out of the backfield.  That’s impressive to you?

[BuffaloHokie13]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

This is what I’m measuring this on.

 

- Roughly 9 games with 1 TD or less.

- 29 total offensive TD’s

-Towards the bottom on the league in passing.

- Identifying the open WR downfield and relying on throwing to RB’s coming out of the backfield.

- Ball placement issues.

- Taking way too many sacks simply because he held the ball too long.

 

Dennison was a major issue of course...it’s not all Tyrods fault.  Even after our running game got going in the middle of the year, we still couldn’t do anything in the air.

Some of that sounds like the entire offense, not Tyrod specifically, but idk.

 

25th in YPA

27th in TD/G (includes partial games)

4th in TD/TO

27th in YPT

25th in TD%

18th in Passer Rating

22nd in ANY/A

23rd in my rating system

 

That's his numbers this year against his peers (37 qualifying QBs). Mostly on a per game or per attempt basis as it includes folks like Watson, Rodgers, and Garoppolo who all started less than 8 games. None of them scream horrible to me. They don't scream good, and they are certainly lower than they were in previous years, but horrible feels like an exaggeration.

[FearLess Price]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Oh god here comes Baldo with his typical 12 year old response “nursing Teefs groin”.  Back on your meds?  You’re an adult right?  

 

You made the argument he wasn’t a 1st round pick because of race.  That’s what I’m talking about.  Yeah that’s rationale.

 

14 TD’s is not horrible?

It would be very difficult to have a below 60% completion percentage if you’re constantly throwing to RB coming out of the backfield.  That’s impressive to you?

 

 

The same people that crucify Tyrod for 14 TDs prop Teddy Bridgewater up like a yuuuge upgrade when his stats are the same or worse in every catagory. Thats what hes on.

 

We kno Tyrod isnt a world beater and were drafting a QB high in the 1st but, half the bridge QBs some want to replace him with are worse,  significantly.

[HOUSE]

you already said it

 

Bottom line, the Eagles are in a bit of a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation, and there are arguments to be made on both sides.  The Eagles have shown willingness to do whatever pleases them at the QB position without regard to pundits and armchair GMs who call them crazy for investing as much at QB as they have, so I imagine they'll continue to do what makes sense to them, even if it doesn't make sense to you.

[row_33]

28 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

62%  14 TD and 4 INT and  a QB rating of 89 and game managing a team to the playoffs is "horrible" now?

 

Of course it's not, Creeplebees.

 

I get that some of you are emotional and having a tantrum about the topic..........but you are just abjectly wrong with hyperbole like "Tyrod was horrible this year".

 

It's a bad look if you hope engage in RATIONAL football topic discussions at a point in the future when you are back on your meds. 

 

As for me defending Taylor regardless of the accuracy of the take........not hardly.......there has been no greater champion of upgrading the QB position on TSW than I.......while you were nursing a groin on BBMB (Teef's groin)....I have been a staunch proponent of upgrading the QB position by taking a QB in round 1 every year for the past decade.

 

Always be upgrading the QB position.

 

 

cherrypicked stats with heavy bias in his favour worships Tyrod

 

watching him play tends to diminish his godlike work on the real playing field

 

 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

42 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

62%  14 TD and 4 INT and  a QB rating of 89 and game managing a team to the playoffs is "horrible" now?

 

Of course it's not, Creeplebees.

 

I get that some of you are emotional and having a tantrum about the topic..........but you are just abjectly wrong with hyperbole like "Tyrod was horrible this year".

 

It's a bad look if you hope engage in RATIONAL football topic discussions at a point in the future when you are back on your meds. 

 

As for me defending Taylor regardless of the accuracy of the take........not hardly.......there has been no greater champion of upgrading the QB position on TSW than I.......while you were nursing a groin on BBMB (Teef's groin)....I have been a staunch proponent of upgrading the QB position by taking a QB in round 1 every year for the past decade.

 

Always be upgrading the QB position.

 

U were proud when u posted that 14-4 stat. 14-4 was good in the early 70s when Bob Griese was throwing the ball 12 times a gm.  Lol

Edited February 8, 2018 by NastyNateSoldiers

[BADOLBILZ]

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

1)Oh god here comes Baldo with his typical 12 year old response “nursing Teefs groin”.  Back on your meds?  You’re an adult right?  

 

2)You made the argument he wasn’t a 1st round pick because of race.  That’s what I’m talking about.  Yeah that’s rationale.

 

3)14 TD’s is not horrible?

It would be very difficult to have a below 60% completion percentage if you’re constantly throwing to RB coming out of the backfield.  That’s impressive to you?

 

1) My bad.....I suppose in retrospect you opening with a misguided bald-shaming nickname in response to my post......apparently to try to discredit my opinion because you think bald people are the intellectual lesser of folically advantaged folks.......well that was very civil of you, Creeplebees.   I clearly should have responded in a more mature manner rather than busting your delicate balls.   How callous of me.

 

2) I never said Tyrod Taylor wasn't a 1st round pick because of race..........nothing even close to that.........total fabrication borne of your emotional distress regarding Tyrod and my upsettingly rational takes on his play.    Feel free to provide the source material for this accusation though.

 

3) No, 14 TD's and only 4 INT in 14 starts is not "horrible".    Even in the dour context of "Dennison/Zay as WR1/Jauron Ball" it's not "horrible".     Franchise QB Matt Ryan only threw 20 TD's and 12 INT this year....with Julio Jones and Mo Sanu and Taylor Gabriel......was he "horrible"?     I know some of you don't follow the league closely but the NFL is seeing a regression wrt passing TD totals.    In 2015 11 QB's threw for 30 or more TD's.........in 2016 that number dropped to 5.......and this year that number dropped to 3.    That's significant.   Defenses are adapting.    They are getting faster and better in coverage........and offenses are going back to the ground more so some passing totals are getting muted.   

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

16 hours ago, billsredneck1 said:

i think a sure fire trade is no. 22 and cordy. peters has been in the league going into his 14th year. he should be making at least as much as cordy....cordy's cap space would come in handy. i myself do not think glenn is going to be able to start playing 16 game seasons and we have dawkins.

 

philly would be better off and can have johnson at rt.  maybe we could also get a player in the trade..like bradham.

 

if there was a way i could do something with tyrod in a trade, i would consider that as well, but i can't see where that would work with philly.

 

They can't afford his salary, they are over the cap as of now.  Bradham is a free agent.  Peters will be cut.

[CircleTheWagons99]

13 hours ago, Mat68 said:

Yes. Foles has more years and Buffalo needs a Qb.  Try to trade Taylor for a rb.   But with all their Rbs no way they do that. 

I was just saying it because there was a post about how the eagles wanted him back. Im not suggesting it or think its possibly going to happen. 

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

 

cherrypicked stats with heavy bias in his favour worships Tyrod

 

watching him play tends to diminish his godlike work on the real playing field

 

 

Are people STILL defending TT? My god man......

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Btw today i was thinking bout Foles vs Cousins and the benefits of going after one or the other. The price for Foles is a high rd pk so we would essentially be making him our answer for 5, 6 more yrs that would also mean he's gonna get an extension at about 22 to 25 mil per season. With that being said I'd rather just pay Cousins and not have to give up any pks . 

 

This is zeroing in on you for a viewpoint several people have expressed, but I think it's worth pointing out:

->the mindset that a high round pick = committment for 5-6 years

 

The Bills have got to move on from that mindset.  To find a QB, picking a QB in Rd 1 and 2 (or trading a 1-2 rd pick for one) can no longer mean a 5-6 year commitment before trying to upgrade.  Start with servicable, upgrade to good, and then keep trying to upgrade to great should be the mindset.

[Royale with Cheese]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

1) My bad.....I suppose in retrospect you opening with a misguided bald-shaming nickname in response to my post......apparently to try to discredit my opinion because you think bald people are the intellectual lesser of folically advantaged folks.......well that was very civil of you, Creeplebees.   I clearly should have responded in a more mature manner rather than busting your delicate balls.   How callous of me.

 

2) I never said Tyrod Taylor wasn't a 1st round pick because of race..........nothing even close to that.........total fabrication borne of your emotional distress regarding Tyrod and my upsettingly rational takes on his play.    Feel free to provide the source material for this accusation though.

 

3) No, 14 TD's and only 4 INT in 14 starts is not "horrible".    Even in the dour context of "Dennison/Zay as WR1/Jauron Ball" it's not "horrible".     Franchise QB Matt Ryan only threw 20 TD's and 12 INT this year....with Julio Jones and Mo Sanu and Taylor Gabriel......was he "horrible"?     I know some of you don't follow the league closely but the NFL is seeing a regression wrt passing TD totals.    In 2015 11 QB's threw for 30 or more TD's.........in 2016 that number dropped to 5.......and this year that number dropped to 3.    That's significant.   Defenses are adapting.    They are getting faster and better in coverage........and offenses are going back to the ground more so some passing totals are getting muted.   

Geezus.

 

Didnt day you need to be the most mature but you always reference balls and genitals when making fun of someone.  That’s a 12 year old.

 

Yes, you did use race as a reason Tyrod wasn’t a 1st round pick.  You argued with several people about it.  Do I need to bring that thread back up?

 

LOL...so a two year decline in TD passes means the defenses are getting it?  How about the 3 years prior to 2015?  That doesn’t factor into the pattern or you just use a very small sample size to think you proved a point?  If your pattern indicates anything than 2014 would have had more than 11 and 2013 would as well.  Guess what...they weren’t.  2015 was just a great year...that’s it.

So I guess you’re expecting less than 3 next year LOL.

 

Oh Baldo....