Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 2 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: Bradford >>>>>>> tyrod . a Realistic Bradford contract would be ? 2 years 33 million 14 year one fully guaranteed 19 year two with a smallish buy out Bradford /Peterman and a 3/4/5 th round dart is a sound plan. If you are sitting at 21 and one of the guys you like starts falling to a range when you can get him for both your two's pull the trigger. Is it still a sound plan when Bradford goes out for the year 2 weeks into the season and is still injured at the start of the next league year, so you can't cut him and that money stays on the books? (I don't think it's a sound plan to start with - I don't like any plan that doesn't involve either signing a top FA without health questions or trading up for the QB we like best) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 6 hours ago, baskingridgebillsfan said: That could be a smoke screen too. who knows . Either way they will be better at the position . That's because he only has 57% accuracy. For once please get a quarterback who can hit the damn receiver! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 2:49 AM, DKBills25 said: Die hard fan, just made this account But I think this would be the best move for us I think cousins will demand too much money and even thou he can throw well I don’t think he would get us in the right direction we need to draft our future (mayfield,Jackson) and sigh Bradford to help mold the rook. basically what the chiefs did. Bradford IMO we can get cheap and will give us the best chance to win I would also love to see us maybe trade for a young starter (most likely not gonna happen) but maybe Luck,Dalton or Winston I'm actually on board with this. The Bills QB position has been a problem for far too long. We have extra picks this year. We need to get a serious handle on it. TT needs to go, that's a given. He has reached his ceiling, and we all know what he cannot do. Buffalo is not in a position to draft a QB to sit the bench or struggle through a rookie year with a journeyman filling the gap. They need a QB who can come in and play competently until their "QB of the Future" is ready. It's just to important of a position to not ensure it's covered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) On 1/31/2018 at 3:36 AM, baskingridgebillsfan said: I like Bradford. When healthy he is very good. I have no issue rolling the dice with him. That's the issue though, he is rarely healthy. He didn't suffer a freak injury like Bridgewater. He's routinely missed large swaths of seasons. Does he sound like a McD/Beane guy with the importance they place on availability? Might as well let a rookie play and save the money because the odds are the rookie would have to play sooner than later anyway. Edited February 11, 2018 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Trade Tyrod? Maybe for a bag of deflated balls then maybe Brady will want to end his career here. Other then that your not going to get anything for a running QB that can only run a Taylor made simplified system as bad as Tyrod with that contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Sam Bradford > Tyrod by a mile. Watch Tyrod fold in crunch time like usual. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s49fIhjS3es Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Is it still a sound plan when Bradford goes out for the year 2 weeks into the season and is still injured at the start of the next league year, so you can't cut him and that money stays on the books? (I don't think it's a sound plan to start with - I don't like any plan that doesn't involve either signing a top FA without health questions or trading up for the QB we like best) I understand your concern about Bradford's fragility. It certainly is warranted. But there is an assumption that the Bills are going to use a high pick on a top shelf qb prospect. If that assumption is true then it is worthwhile to gamble on an injury prone player whose purpose is to be a temporary answer at qb position. On the other hand there is an upside to this very often battered player: He is talented. He can run a pro offense and he is a good passer. If you are going to take a risk on a player why not take on a player who is talented with the mitigated risk that he is temporary solution. Who knows we may get lucky and get a player who performs much better than expected? It happened when the Vikes picked up Keenum who was an afterthought addition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 8:10 AM, FearLess Price said: Pizza rules. Breakfast pizza is awesome. Lunch pizza is awesome. 2nd lunch pizza is awesome. Dinner pizza is awesome. High midnight pizza is awesome. Fck it. Pizza is always awesome. Riddle: What do pizza and nooky have in common? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, billsbackto81 said: Riddle: What do pizza and nooky have in common? ...gotta be the "pepperoni"........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Don't you mean Get Bradford and his backup for when Bradford goes down after 3 or 4 gaems again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: Don't you mean Get Bradford and his backup for when Bradford goes down after 3 or 4 gaems again? ...as much as I like Sam, Humpty Dumpty is in better shape.....some pretty eye opening dollar numbers.....nice work if you can get it...... Total Earnings for Bradford through 2017 (through 8 seasons): $114 million Career TD passes: 101 or $1.128 million EACH Career starts: 80 or $1.425 million EACH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, JohnC said: I understand your concern about Bradford's fragility. It certainly is warranted. But there is an assumption that the Bills are going to use a high pick on a top shelf qb prospect. If that assumption is true then it is worthwhile to gamble on an injury prone player whose purpose is to be a temporary answer at qb position. I look at it differently. If the Bills spend a high draft pick on a top shelf QB prospect, the most important thing becomes to properly develop that QB. That includes, having the vet QB in place to let him sit until he's ready, if that's what he needs. Perhaps EJM could never have been a starting NFL QB but surely the way the Bills handled the QB situation around him, did not help his development. Bradford is "Fool's Gold" as a QB. Edited February 11, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I look at it differently. If the Bills spend a high draft pick on a top shelf QB prospect, the most important thing becomes to properly develop that QB. That includes, having the vet QB in place to let him sit until he's ready, if that's what he needs. Perhaps EJM could never have been a starting NFL QB but surely the way the Bills handled the QB situation around him, did not help his development. Bradford is "Fool's Gold" as a QB. I don't care how much EJ was improperly managed he was not going to be a franchise qb. He was a fourth round talent taken in the first round. His selection in the first round was a mistake. In my opinion, regardless if he had the best tutelage his inherent weaknesses (accuracy and vision) would never allow him to be a franchise qb.. I understand why you would have an aversion toward Bradford. I'm more willing to take a calculated risk for a qb we hope to be a bridge qb. Apparently my risk tolerance is higher than yours. That's okay. However, what I don't want to be subjected to again is a qb who can't run a pro offense. That's a bottom line issue that I will not compromise on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...gotta be the "pepperoni"........... Answer: When its hot, it's good. When it's cold, it's still pretty good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 3 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: Riddle: What do pizza and nooky have in common? Even when its bad, its still good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) I'm not sure Bradford would want to go to a team on a cheap deal as short-term fix and mentor a first round QB. He thinks he's a franchise QB and he wants to win a SB.........I am sure he thinks he has a lot of years left in him.............and when healthy he's proven he is as AT LEAST as good as Kirk Cousins. Perhaps I am wrong but if you want him but don't want to commit long term.......and you aren't a SB contender on paper.........and also want him to mentor a QB you plan to take in round 1......I think you have to pay him over $20M per............and with the hellacious injury history not sure how that works. If I were him.......if Minnesota wouldn't commit.......with those sore knees.........I'd be looking at how Carson Palmer salvaged his career in sunny Arizona and trying to get myself there and willing to take a cheaper deal to do so. Edited February 11, 2018 by BADOLBILZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 3 hours ago, JohnC said: I don't care how much EJ was improperly managed he was not going to be a franchise qb. He was a fourth round talent taken in the first round. His selection in the first round was a mistake. In my opinion, regardless if he had the best tutelage his inherent weaknesses (accuracy and vision) would never allow him to be a franchise qb.. I understand why you would have an aversion toward Bradford. I'm more willing to take a calculated risk for a qb we hope to be a bridge qb. Apparently my risk tolerance is higher than yours. That's okay. However, what I don't want to be subjected to again is a qb who can't run a pro offense. That's a bottom line issue that I will not compromise on. If the Bills go into next season with Taylor and a rookie, how will this failure to compromise on your part be exhibited? You'll buy seasons and burn them? Rent a billboard? A banner towing plane? Hold your breath until you turn blue? It just seems a wierd thing to say. If you get your wish and the Bills bring in Bradford and we wind up starting a QB who can't (yet) run a pro offense effectively, what will your 'bottom line' be then? I don't know if my risk tolerance is higher or lower than yours. My perception is that paying millions of dollars to a QB likely to wind up on IR is not a particularly effective strategy to improve at the QB position. There seems to be a tendency to paint a "live mouse/dead lion" choice, but I tend to believe we will have different options at QB, just as we potentially had different options last offseason. Certainly my assessment of Bradford is affected by living in St Louis and seeing the negative team impact of clinging to hope for (and paying) a promising QB who can't stay on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If the Bills go into next season with Taylor and a rookie, how will this failure to compromise on your part be exhibited? You'll buy seasons and burn them? Rent a billboard? A banner towing plane? Hold your breath until you turn blue? It just seems a wierd thing to say. If you get your wish and the Bills bring in Bradford and we wind up starting a QB who can't (yet) run a pro offense effectively, what will your 'bottom line' be then? I don't know if my risk tolerance is higher or lower than yours. My perception is that paying millions of dollars to a QB likely to wind up on IR is not a particularly effective strategy to improve at the QB position. There seems to be a tendency to paint a "live mouse/dead lion" choice, but I tend to believe we will have different options at QB, just as we potentially had different options last offseason. Certainly my assessment of Bradford is affected by living in St Louis and seeing the negative team impact of clinging to hope for (and paying) a promising QB who can't stay on the field. I have already cancelled my NFL Ticket. If Taylor is the starting qb I will not renew. I have no interest in watching a pop warner offense. I do not know who the free agent qb is going to be if Taylor is dealt or let go. I'm confident that he won't be on next year's roster. Could I be wrong? Sure can be. We'll just have to wait and see how this plays out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) On 2/9/2018 at 6:57 AM, 26CornerBlitz said: 8 reasons Sam Bradford will be the Bills' starting QB in 2018 By Ryan Talbot | Contributing writer There is no doubt that the Buffalo Bills are doing their homework on quarterbacks that will be available in the draft, via trade and in free agency. Buffalo's roster is good enough to win now as evidenced by their 9-7 season in 2017. To stay competitive this season, Buffalo may look for a veteran to start while grooming a rookie. Could that veteran be Sam Bradford? Here's a look at 8 reasons why Bradford will be the Bills' starter in 2018. Most realistic option for Buffalo? Worked briefly with Brian Daboll protege Josh McDaniels Some experience in O Daboll will run Ideal short-term bridge QB Doesn't prevent Bills from selecting QB in draft Accurate Upgrade to Tyrod Taylor Protects the ball Maybe the plan is to sign Bradford, and if they are not able to get the QB they want in the draft, they use their picks to fill other holes. Then if/when Bradford (inevitably) gets hurt and they have to start a crappy backup, we are able to get a high draft pick for 2019 and get our QB then... lol Seriously though, He wouldn't be my first choice by any means but Id actually be ok with Bradford if that was the best option available to Buffalo. He's a pretty good QB when he's on the field, especially in the right type of offense. His knees are just such a huge question mark. Edited February 12, 2018 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, BillsFan4 said: Maybe the plan is to sign Bradford, and if they are not able to get the QB they want in the draft, they use their picks to fill other holes. Then if/when Bradford (inevitably) gets hurt and they have to start a crappy backup, we are able to get a high draft pick for 2019 and get our QB then... lol Seriously though, He wouldn't be my first choice by any means but Id actually be ok with Bradford if that was the best option available to Buffalo. He's a pretty good QB when he's on the field, especially in the right type of offense. His knees are just such a huge question mark. I would obviously hope that if the Bills did sign him, that they f Had a way to draft a good QB prospect in the 1st though. I expect Bradford to be signed well before the draft with UFA starting in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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