Freddie's Dead Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 http://www.talkoffamenetwork.com/rick-gosselins-2017-nfl-special-teams-rankings/ We clearly need to fire Crossman, immediately. That said, we need a better PR/KR. Otherwise, ST's were good this year. For ST naysayers, I put more faith in Gosselin's rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Crossman has survived 3 different regime's in Buffalo so he must be doing something right, but yes we still need a more explosive return game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 ST penalties as a whole appeared to be down this year compared to the past 2 so that is a positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 We need a less aggressive kickoff return. When that ball is kicked into the endzone, kneel and stop running out. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 The ST improved but again the Bills put a lot of resources towards it. That is a major factor. The Bills kept a lot of fringe NFL players to be core ST players. Some teams have better depth guys than Andre Holmes and Joe Webb. It depends on your priorities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 The return games were not very productive. A good return for us was one where we didn't have any penalties, and where we returned kickoffs at least to the 20. Usually if we brought it out of the end zone, we didn't get to the 25. Part of the problem might have been the lack of talent of the returners, but most of the time our guys were running into solid walls of defenders or didn't have time to do much on punt returns. Why did other teams have more opportunities? The coverage units, and the punter and kicker, all played well for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, White Linen said: We need a less aggressive kickoff return. When that ball is kicked into the endzone, kneel and stop running out. This times 100 - seriously how many returns have been from the end zone versus how many drives have started from the 20 or less? Do some analytics on that! Take the damn knee and 1/4 of the football field every time. The coverage team only has to run a short distance these days anyways. Take the free yards. This is MADDENING to see someone 2-3 yards deep in the end zone only to watch them make it to MAYBE the 15.......take the DAMN KNEE! GO BILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Apparently these rankings don’t take into account onsides kick returns. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 We were dead last in the NFL on onside kicks. Crossman is weak and I was surprised he wasn't sent packing with Dennison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: The ST improved but again the Bills put a lot of resources towards it. That is a major factor. The Bills kept a lot of fringe NFL players to be core ST players. Some teams have better depth guys than Andre Holmes and Joe Webb. It depends on your priorities. you would think if it was that big of a priority maybe they would try and find a return man worth a crap.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) We have not had any firings in a few weeks.... I’m game, I don’t want my pitchfork getting rusty Edited January 25, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSJayDee Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 It indicates we're tied for 1st place w/ zero giveaways on ST. Didn't we fail to cover 2 onside kicks (I distinctly remember at least one)? I would think those count as giveaways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 26 minutes ago, eSJayDee said: It indicates we're tied for 1st place w/ zero giveaways on ST. Didn't we fail to cover 2 onside kicks (I distinctly remember at least one)? I would think those count as giveaways. Not really as you are kicking the ball to the opposition - now if you recover that on sides kick would be a takeaway. Just outa curiosity what is the "reputation" ranking? And how in the things all holy does SaviorPeterman have triple digits???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: The ST improved but again the Bills put a lot of resources towards it. That is a major factor. The Bills kept a lot of fringe NFL players to be core ST players. Some teams have better depth guys than Andre Holmes and Joe Webb. It depends on your priorities. Truth. Lots of UFA's on ST's. Gonna be interesting next year. Crossman is clearly a Dow Joneser tied to the talent. Competent ST coach, but Bobby April or the late great Bruce DeHaven, he ain't. Edited January 25, 2018 by Freddie's Dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Through 17 games this year (correct me if I'm wrong).... ZERO blocked punts ZERO blocked FGs/PATs ZERO KO Return TD ZERO Punt return TD I don't remember Bills even getting close to a blocked kick either. Bills Kickers and coverage teams are fine... but would be nice to block a kick here and there and return 1 or 2 a season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Does Steven Hauschka's abilities at scoring field goals for us tie into this improved ranking as well? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Does Steven Hauschka's abilities at scoring field goals for us tie into this improved ranking as well? Absolutely, especially the 50+ yard bombs. As well as Schmidt's knack for downing punts inside the opposing 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 New punt returner? yeah, sure. New kick returner? Maybe not a big deal. Looking at all the games I've seen, kickoff coverage has become so consistent (or maybe it was rule changes that affected what return teams can do) nobody is consistently effective at running back kickoffs from the endzone. For every big return from the endzone, there are dozens of returns that fail to get to the 25 yard line. If I were the special teams coach, I would tell my returners to down any kickoff that reaches the endzone in the endzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 And Hauschka made all his PAT's. Kinda figured he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 hours ago, billieve420 said: ST penalties as a whole appeared to be down this year compared to the past 2 so that is a positive. How can that be possible? I remember a flag on every punt return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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