twoandfourteen Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 For months, we've heard... "You can win with Tyrod!" "Scheme an offense around Tyrod!" "Tyrod is better than like, 20 other QBs!" After watching frequent punchline Blake Bortles today duel it out with all-time great Ben Roethlisberger, I really honestly want to see that stuff end. It's not really a local thing anymore, but the national media narrative -- especially the criticism and insinuations, if not outright accusations, of racism regarding the Bills and Western New York concerning Tyrod Taylor's time here have no basis in fact or reality. Even Blake Bortles is capable of playing at an entirely different level than Taylor is. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Maybe the Jags will keep him next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 You make fair points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Wait til you see Case Keenum’s big day ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 29 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Wait til you see Case Keenum’s big day ? Holy crap Keenum has all freakin' day back there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Holy crap Keenum has all freakin' day back there This Vikings team is pretty legit. OL, D, WR’s, and McKinnon/Murray picking up the slack from Dalvin Cooks injury are all pretty pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 46 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: For months, we've heard... "You can win with Tyrod!" "Scheme an offense around Tyrod!" "Tyrod is better than like, 20 other QBs!" After watching frequent punchline Blake Bortles today duel it out with all-time great Ben Roethlisberger, I really honestly want to see that stuff end. It's not really a local thing anymore, but the national media narrative -- especially the criticism and insinuations, if not outright accusations, of racism regarding the Bills and Western New York concerning Tyrod Taylor's time here have no basis in fact or reality. Even Blake Bortles is capable of playing at an entirely different level than Taylor is. Er... what a strange conclusion. Wouldn't you think that because "even" Blake Bortles could take a team to the AFC Championship Game, so could Tyrod? What I'd love to see end is this notion from fans that Tyrod could "never" accomplish this, that, or the other thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) Bortles didnt duel it out with anyone...the Jags did their best to hide him and gave him a few play action shots. Do you even know what you are watching when you watch football? I swear 75% of the posters have no idea what they are wtaching or any concepts in play with some of these threads...SMFH. You have a lot to learn about football if you thought Bortles was dueling it out with Roethlesberger. Edited January 14, 2018 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, LA Grant said: Er... what a strange conclusion. Wouldn't you think that because "even" Blake Bortles could take a team to the AFC Championship Game, so could Tyrod? What I'd love to see end is this notion from fans that Tyrod could "never" accomplish this, that, or the other thing. Tyrod had 70 yards passing through 3 qtrs last time he saw the Steelers D. He can’t win a playoff game, he’s never done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, Teddy KGB said: Tyrod had 70 yards passing through 3 qtrs last time he saw the Steelers D. He can’t win a playoff game, he’s never done it. Earlier in the season, it was "Tyrod can't get us to the playoffs, he's never done it." It's a moot point because they're almost certainly going to move on from Tyrod. But fans with such stubborn certainty about things they can't be certain about is annoying. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Yeah because Big Ben threw for 469 and Blake Bottles for 214. Its all about the passing yards. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, reddogblitz said: Yeah because Big Ben threw for 469 and Blake Bottles for 214. Its all about the passing yards. If we were the Jags, there'd be countless threads like "Blake Bortles still can't throw for 300 yards! We're never going to win with him!" 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Yeah because Big Ben threw for 469 and Blake Bottles for 214. Its all about the passing yards. There was an interesting stat about Big Ben and his playoff record during pre game show. They showed that anytime that Big Ben throws for over 275 yards in playoffs , the Steelers lose. That still holds true after today, Pittsburgh is 0-7 in playoffs when Big Ben is racking up the yards . Edited January 14, 2018 by prissythecat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Yeah because Big Ben threw for 469 and Blake Bottles for 214. Its all about the passing yards. 214 1 Td > 134 yards 1 Int Hating yards because you got involved with Taylor is some odd math. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I've resigned myself to the fact that they will probably roll with tt again next season. they've started the damage control for it, first fire the oc...now the plate is set that he was the problem, next the will sit and do nothing while all the qbs will get signed somewhere else, then obviously they will have no shot at the 5-6 good lucking prospects in the draft, they will draft other positions i'm guessing wr some defense players and go right back to year 4 of the tt era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA Grant Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, prissythecat said: There was an interesting stat about Big Ben and his playoff record during pre game show. They showed that anytime that Big Ben throws for over 275 yards in playoffs , the Steelers lose. That still holds true after today, Pittsburgh is 0-7 in playoffs when Big Ben is racking up the yards . Which, I mean, makes perfect sense. You'd naturally throw for more yards when playing from behind. One big takeaway from that, also, is how unlikely it is to make the comeback when you're down. I remember earlier in this season, when the conversation was about "Tyrod has never led a 4th quarter comeback" that Sal on WGR brought out stats that show that ANY QB making a comeback is rarer than you'd think, even among the greats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Albwan said: I've resigned myself to the fact that they will probably roll with tt again next season. they've started the damage control for it, first fire the oc...now the plate is set that he was the problem, next the will sit and do nothing while all the qbs will get signed somewhere else, then obviously they will have no shot at the 5-6 good lucking prospects in the draft, they will draft other positions i'm guessing wr some defense players and go right back to year 4 of the tt era. What does how someone looks have to do with them being able to play QB in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, White Linen said: What does how someone looks have to do with them being able to play QB in the NFL? reported for sexual preference race baiting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicharito Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said: Wait til you see Case Keenum’s big day ? Vikings will not let him or bridgewater go Bradford is the odd man out and buffalo better not go after this bum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Bortles didnt duel it out with anyone...the Jags did their best to hide him and gave him a few play action shots. Do you even know what you are watching when you watch football? I swear 75% of the posters have no idea what they are wtaching or any concepts in play with some of these threads...SMFH. You have a lot to learn about football if you thought Bortles was dueling it out with Roethlesberger. Exactly don't know what games people are watching but if it fits their anti Tyrod crusade then logic doesn't matter. Jags got to a lead with fournette and the running game. Jags D played well early on and they were able to build a nice lead. Bortles had a solid game nothing amazing the same type of game Taylor would get crucified here for since he didnt throw for 300 and the team won despite him. Edited January 14, 2018 by billieve420 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclepete Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 We’re not building an offense around Tyrod but.... the superior Qb has lost a lot in the playoffs. IMO: Taylor >Bortles Roethlisbrger>Bortles Ryan>Foles Smith>Mariota Brees>Keenum (if the score keeps up) seems like the quality of the team is more important than the QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Hunh???? 14/26 for 214 yards and 1 TD is an "entirely different level"?!?! Is this a friggin joke? Tyrod is still a better QB than Bortles. Bortles is just on one of the most talented teams in the NFL. Amazing. And nothing that I just said should be taken as we should not actively try to upgrade on Tyrod. But what a joke of an argument to throw one game Bortles has that resembles several games Taylor has had as proof that Tyrod can't even live up to the play of Bortles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, unclepete said: We’re not building an offense around Tyrod but.... the superior Qb has lost a lot in the playoffs. IMO: Taylor >Bortles Roethlisbrger>Bortles Ryan>Foles Smith>Mariota Brees>Keenum (if the score keeps up) seems like the quality of the team is more important than the QB? Ceetainly the quality of the team matter a lot . Football is after all a team sport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said: Tyrod had 70 yards passing through 3 qtrs last time he saw the Steelers D. He can’t win a playoff game, he’s never done it. Totally different teams you can't make that comparison and expect anyone to take you seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, LA Grant said: Er... what a strange conclusion. Wouldn't you think that because "even" Blake Bortles could take a team to the AFC Championship Game, so could Tyrod? What I'd love to see end is this notion from fans that Tyrod could "never" accomplish this, that, or the other thing. This thread and the logic in it, or lack thereof, is just absolutely incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 hours ago, twoandfourteen said: For months, we've heard... "You can win with Tyrod!" "Scheme an offense around Tyrod!" "Tyrod is better than like, 20 other QBs!" After watching frequent punchline Blake Bortles today duel it out with all-time great Ben Roethlisberger, I really honestly want to see that stuff end. It's not really a local thing anymore, but the national media narrative -- especially the criticism and insinuations, if not outright accusations, of racism regarding the Bills and Western New York concerning Tyrod Taylor's time here have no basis in fact or reality. Even Blake Bortles is capable of playing at an entirely different level than Taylor is. You forgot "it's the O-line's fault!" or "It's the receivers fault!" or "it's the defense's fault!" Refs, coordinators, HC's, whatever...just not Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 46 minutes ago, Albwan said: I've resigned myself to the fact that they will probably roll with tt again next season. they've started the damage control for it, first fire the oc...now the plate is set that he was the problem, next the will sit and do nothing while all the qbs will get signed somewhere else, then obviously they will have no shot at the 5-6 good lucking prospects in the draft, they will draft other positions i'm guessing wr some defense players and go right back to year 4 of the tt era. If this happens several posters here are going to be on serious suicide watch I can envision one more year with Taylor but think we're going to draft a QB in the first, probably through a trade up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) It doesn’t matter who is better than who. Four three point games by Taylor says enough. 7 of 15 games under 16 points. TT won’t be back unless he takes another $10 mil payout and agrees to be one of the backups. Edited January 14, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said: Wait til you see Case Keenum’s big day ? Keenum’s earned it this year.......He literally was just intercepted by Williams???? Nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: It doesn’t matter who is better than who. Four three point games by Taylor says enough. How many 3 pt games the 2 years prior. I guess the OC that just got fired had nothing to do with that. Look I am fine with moving on from Tyrod. He was nothing more than a bridge to me until we could have someone to replace him. Here's hoping we get someone who is an upgrade in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, billieve420 said: How many 3 pt games the 2 years prior. I guess the OC that just got fired had nothing to do with that. Look I am fine with moving on from Tyrod. He was nothing more than a bridge to me until we could have someone to replace him. Here's hoping we get someone who is an upgrade in here. So I guess Taylors 3 games of 33.4, 34.6 and 44.2 are all on Rico? Who called the plays that converted 43% of 3rd downs? Rico did. Who’s choice was it to pass on the one with an RPO? Who failed to see open receivers frequently? Who’s fault is it that Taylor holds the ball too long? Edited January 15, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) I get the sentiment of wanting to build around Tyrod when we snuck into the playoffs. Then we lost 3 to 10. Doesn't matter anyway his time was over when he got benched. Tyrod was only out there because there was no other option. Even with a chance at redemption he choked away a playoff game. I'm not living in past. His time was this year and his moment was in Jax and he failed. Edited January 15, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lfod said: Tyrod was only out there because there was no other option. Even with a chance at redemption he choked away a playoff game. This exactly!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: It doesn’t matter who is better than who. Four three point games by Taylor says enough. 7 of 15 games under 16 points. TT won’t be back unless he takes another $10 mil payout and agrees to be one of the backups. I think some of you just keep saying this so adamantly because you really hope it will happen. But at this point if I were throwing out %s I'd bet it's something like 60% Taylor is still a Bill next year under his current contract. I don't think McDermott wants another vet QB, yet at the end of the year PC he said he wanted a veteran QB "for a number of reasons," which tells me it's as much about leadership and culture as anything. I think firing Dennison so abruptly and quickly hiring Dabol is more of a sign Taylor will be here in 2018 because I think it's an acknowledgment that Dennison was just awful and highly responsible for our offensive woes. I think Taylor's route out of Buffalo is a packaged deal trading up to get a QB. We'll see. Shaping up to be an interesting offseason, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, billieve420 said: Totally different teams you can't make that comparison and expect anyone to take you seriously. I know. That Steelers team didn’t have Joe Haden or Artie Burns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, LA Grant said: Er... what a strange conclusion. Wouldn't you think that because "even" Blake Bortles could take a team to the AFC Championship Game, so could Tyrod? What I'd love to see end is this notion from fans that Tyrod could "never" accomplish this, that, or the other thing. if tyrod could have manage one single td against the jags, the whole landscape of the afc playoffs would have probably changed. we held the jags to 10 and then they tromped the steelers. what a wast of an excellent defensive effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: This exactly!!!! I mean the red carpet was rolled out for him. Even after all the disasters this season Tyrod had a golden opportunity to win a playoff game. When the defense would go fetch the ball back in the start of the year did Taylor ball out and obliterate teams? When the field position was good did Tyrod feast? In the playoff game was Tyrod able to lead the Bills to victory when the opponent can only score 10 points? As a QB you couldn't ask for more when having to hold up your side of the show. He had a chance to change the narrative about him. He can't ever say he didn't. Edited January 15, 2018 by Lfod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) Actually this weekend might prove the opposite. It looks like the big name QB isn’t winning every game these days. We’ve already seen Ryan and Roethlisberger fall, possibly Beees. However, I also think that TT misses too many reads to lead his team anywhere. Foles, Bortles, and Keenum are nothing to brag about, but all have made plays when necessary. TT leaves dozens of plays on the field every game. TT also has the uncanny ability of melting in big time moments. For example, I just can’t see him winning a game at Heinz Field. We can cackle about Bortles all we want, but he made a few plays in big spots. 3 minutes ago, Lfod said: I mean the red carpet was rolled out for him. Even after all the disasters this season Tyrod had a golden opportunity to win a playoff game. When the defense would go fetch the ball back in the start of the year did Taylor ball out and obliterate teams? When the field position was good did Tyrod feast? In the playoff game was Tyrod able to lead the Bills to victory when the opponent can only score 10 points? As a QB you couldn't as for more when having to hold up your side of the show. He had a chance to change the narrative about him. He can't ever say he didn't. He fails to show up when you need him most. That has been the one constant with TT. We can laugh at all the “bum QB’s” left in the playoffs, but they’ve done enough to win in big moments. Edited January 15, 2018 by DriveFor1Outta5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, twoandfourteen said: For months, we've heard... "You can win with Tyrod!" "Scheme an offense around Tyrod!" "Tyrod is better than like, 20 other QBs!" After watching frequent punchline Blake Bortles today duel it out with all-time great Ben Roethlisberger, I really honestly want to see that stuff end. It's not really a local thing anymore, but the national media narrative -- especially the criticism and insinuations, if not outright accusations, of racism regarding the Bills and Western New York concerning Tyrod Taylor's time here have no basis in fact or reality. Even Blake Bortles is capable of playing at an entirely different level than Taylor is. 100% spot on. You got clueless John Clayton coming on WGR every Thursday talking like Taylor is Joe Montana even though he hasn’t watched a game of his in 3 years...just looks at his inflated bs numbers. Then, the hack Mike Schoop pulls the race card saying that has a lot to do with it. Fact: Taylor hit the open market last year and nobody else bought his BS asking price. Our passing game is horrendous, teams constantly stack the box because they aren’t scared of TT, and he refuses to throw to receivers. The real McBean will show me a lot this offseason and it starts with getting rid of #5 ASAP. Edited January 15, 2018 by McBean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I think some of you just keep saying this so adamantly because you really hope it will happen Yes I hope it will happen because Tyrod is not the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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