Enough's enough - This team went 9-7......

[buffaloboyinATL]

47 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

We most certainly backed in. This team went 4-5 in their final 9 games including an ugly 3 game losing streak and 2 lopsided Pats losses in which the offense scored a combined 12 points.

 

Also we did not control our destiny in week 17 and was pure luck the Bengals converted a 4th and long and took it for a score against the Ravens.

 

But again, it really don't matter how we got to the playoffs. At least the drought is finally over and things finally went this team's way. And regardless what happens against the Jags this regime won't have that hanging over their heads even if they fail to get back to the playoffs next year.

LOL. You don't go back to a teams record over the past NINE games to determine if they backed in.  Backing in typically mean you lose your last game or two but get in because of other teams losing games they should have won. We won the games that mattered over the past several weeks and earned our way in.  Lots of teams needed certain scenarios to play out, like us needing the Ravens loss, but that doesn't mean it wasn't earned.

[blacklabel]

I think a thread from a few weeks ago said something like, "8-8 or 9-7 with this team is impressive" and I responded that I agreed. After all the changes and all the turnover, just about everyone was saying, "Yeah, they're focused on 2018, it's not about this year." And in that thread there were people saying 8-8 or 9-7 wouldn't be enough and that we should be embarrassed about such a record and McDermott should not only be fired but banned from coaching or even offering advice in any sport ever again. My response to them was, what would meet your expectations for this season? Especially with this roster. They have one legit star and the rest of the team is comprised of a few really good players, a handful of above-average players and then mostly average players after that. For them to make the playoffs with all the trades, that horrendous three-game skid, the questions surrounding the QB position, etc etc, it most certainly is impressive and gives me a lot of excitement heading into next season. I mean, they broke the streak with a team full of "effort" guys. I can't wait to see who they go after and add to this team in the off-season and see what they're capable of when they have better players plugged into positions of need.

[teef]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And the Ravens nearly lost that game against the Colts.

 

Say they tackle Tyler Boyd at the 10 on Sunday after that catch and with 3 shots (they'd have had to use one down to clock it) the Bengals fail to score a touchdown.  In that scenario the Ravens would have made the play offs by hanging on by their finger nails, at home, inside their 10 yard line consecutive weeks against teams whose final records would have been 10-22.  That sounds like it would have been "backing in" to the playoffs to me. 

 

NEWSFLASH - most wildcard teams "back in" to some degree.  But wildcard teams have gone the distance before.   I don't expect this Bills team to go the distance but to try and discredit their getting there because they were a wildcard at 9-7 is ridiculous in my opinion.  And the fact that we are not a great team and made it.... I can only see that as a positive.  This leadership has some kudos it has a plan and I'm very hopeful that as the roster improves so will our chances of making some noise in the post-season over the next few years.  And schedule wise.... we played the best division in football and the AFC West this year.  Next year we get the AFC South (maybe with a healthy Luck and Watson admittedly but let's see) and the NFC North (with a Vikings team that is bound to regress to the mean a bit, Detroit and Chicago rebuilding and the Packers at a crossroads). Then we will play the Ravens and Chargers in our other in conference games.  It's not an easy looking schedule but I fancy the match ups on it a little better than the gauntlet of Quarterbacks we played this year. 

this sums it up nicely gunner.

[Buffalo03]

4 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And yes the 18 year curse was lifted.  

 

The Bills won the tie-breakers and we're in the playoffs with the best possible first round opponent (something I predicted btw).

 

The point is (and I keep repeating) is that this is pretty much the same records as 2014-2016, so quit thinking this coaching staff & HO turned water into wine.

 

What it did do was create such low expectations that some consider it a miracle.

 

What was miraculous was winning 6 games where the opposition had the ball at the end of the game with a chance to win & the Bills winning each and every time.  

 

I am as excited as anyone that they are in the playoffs and planning my Sunday, but I am not getting ahead of myself and anointing this coaching staff as an all time great.

 

However I am a fan and don't get stuck on the minutiae wrt to drafts, schemes and philosophy.

 

It is quite simple for us fans.  If a team is 8-8 for 3 seasons in a row, you look at it and say 2 more wins and you're in the playoffs.  I look at the skill positions and how they are utilized (and yes was pissed at Watkins, the trade and not targeting him enough).  I thought better coaching and tweaks to properly utilize Taylor and we'd see a huge improvement.

 

On the defensive side, it did not take much to see that they were undisciplined, took way too many penalties, and disorganized under Rex, which could be fixed easily to the point they would be competent.

 

So as said I will be here and cheering Sunday & hopefully beyond & will leave shortly thereafter while you argue about the draft, personnel moves & free agency.

 

I will return when Sammy signs and when a decision is made on Tyrod.

 

Again would we fans be so excited if they went 8-8, or 8-7-1 (as McDermott tried vs. Indy) and no playoffs.  

 

It is the Playoffs that has created this euphoria, not a record that matches those the prior 3 years......

 

Flame away!!!!!

 

 

There is always one person that just can't be happy

[teef]

if you want to talk backing into a playoff spot, i remember the seahawks making the playoffs with a 7-9 record one year, and if i'm not mistaken, they won their first round game.  bills fans would have killed for that.  here we are, and apparently it's not quite good enough for some because we didn't dominate our way into the playoffs.  

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, teef said:

this sums it up nicely gunner.

 

Basically you are saying cut the waffle that is the rest of the post and just leave that sentence?  I got ya Teef

[teef]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Basically you are saying cut the waffle that is the rest of the post and just leave that sentence?  I got ya Teef

oh no.  the rest of the post is the syrup and chocolate chips that help make up the delightful brunch we know as your work.

[Richard Noggin]

4 hours ago, Charlottebillsfan2 said:

Please slowly walk away from any sharp objects 

Or fall directly on them.

[Bad Things]

Good grief.  Some people...

[BringBackFlutie]

13 minutes ago, teef said:

oh no.  the rest of the post is the syrup and chocolate chips that help make up the delightful brunch we know as your work.

When I had brunch yesterday, I could barely see straight to read the menu.  18 years of partying on NYE made yesterday very difficult.

[GG]

22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And the Ravens nearly lost that game against the Colts.

 

Say they tackle Tyler Boyd at the 10 on Sunday after that catch and with 3 shots (they'd have had to use one down to clock it) the Bengals fail to score a touchdown.  In that scenario the Ravens would have made the play offs by hanging on by their finger nails, at home, inside their 10 yard line consecutive weeks against teams whose final records would have been 10-22.  That sounds like it would have been "backing in" to the playoffs to me. 

 

 

 

BTW, the Ravens fans who are complaining about the phantom holding that scratched Weddle's INT are silent about the blatant PI that would have given Colts another 4 downs at the 10.

[Gugny]

23 minutes ago, teef said:

if you want to talk backing into a playoff spot, i remember the seahawks making the playoffs with a 7-9 record one year, and if i'm not mistaken, they won their first round game.  bills fans would have killed for that.  here we are, and apparently it's not quite good enough for some because we didn't dominate our way into the playoffs.  

 

They beat the Saints.  I remember checking the score on my Blackberry whilst boarding a plane.  People were talking about it on the plane and the buzz was kind of like when Buster Douglas knocked out Tyson (not quite as loud of a buzz).

[Wayne Cubed]

While I think this post is a bit premature, I get what the OP is trying to say. The goal should be, as always, sustained success. Lest we forget Dick Jauron won coach of the year. Marvin Lewis has taken the Bengals to the playoffs 7 times and is 0-7. And the list goes on. McDermott isn’t without faults. This wasn’t some amazing season and the Bills certainly have some problems from a talent stand point going forward. This is an older team, that will need an influx of young talent.

 

Saying all that, he’s got the wart off this franchise. It feels good. No more questions about the drought. This gives the Bills credibility, takes the pressure off players coming here. They aren’t responsible for ending the drought. 

 

There’s really no reason to piss anyone’s Cheerios at this point. No point in pounding your chest and saying who’s right. This is 17 years in the making, maybe just enjoy that for a bit and when the season ends, then we can talk about what’s gone wrong.

[SaviorPeterman]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Hey Savior...remember saying this?

Well, we beat the team that you said was a lock for the playoffs.  So why does it matter if it took both games to stopping them after on onside kick?

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Posted November 5, 2017

I still think Miami is a lock for a WC will finish 2nd to the Pats in the division which means they'll likely get the #5 seed.

 

So essentially the Bills will be competing with a handful of other teams for the final spot, likely the Jets, Raiders, Chargers and Titans/Jags. This is of course assuming the season don't go completely off the rails in the next few week and still think that's very probably given the upcoming schedule against teams on a whole other level compared to the Jets that easily beat this team.

 

You're right it doesn't, my point though is it's not like we beat a bunch of playoff teams down the stretch. Also I was right about the Bills struggling after the 5-2 start, they did finish 4-5 in their final 9.

 

Miami certainly disappointed this season after many experts (including myself) thought they were a SB contender. But goes to show that even in a down season, Gase had this team playing hard and both games against them could have easily went in Miami's favor with a little luck.

 

Look for Miami to bounce back strong next season and possibly win the division should Brady and the Pats ever falter.

Edited January 2, 2018 by SaviorPeterman

[GG]

5 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

They beat the Saints.  I remember checking the score on my Blackberry whilst boarding a plane.  People were talking about it on the plane and the buzz was kind of like when Buster Douglas knocked out Tyson (not quite as loud of a buzz).

 

Was that the game where Marshawn rediscovered his mojo?  I recall he was pedestrian for them during the season until that game

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, GG said:

 

Was that the game where Marshawn rediscovered his mojo?  I recall he was pedestrian for them during the season until that game

 

Yea, he had that insane run.

[teef]

1 minute ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Yea, he had that insane run.

it was super long, and he absolutely rolled over people.  we all remember that, but not how they got into the playoffs.  

[Gugny]

9 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Was that the game where Marshawn rediscovered his mojo?  I recall he was pedestrian for them during the season until that game

 

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[CLTbills]

5 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And yes the 18 year curse was lifted.  

 

The Bills won the tie-breakers and we're in the playoffs with the best possible first round opponent (something I predicted btw).

 

The point is (and I keep repeating) is that this is pretty much the same records as 2014-2016, so quit thinking this coaching staff & HO turned water into wine.

 

What it did do was create such low expectations that some consider it a miracle.

 

What was miraculous was winning 6 games where the opposition had the ball at the end of the game with a chance to win & the Bills winning each and every time.  

 

I am as excited as anyone that they are in the playoffs and planning my Sunday, but I am not getting ahead of myself and anointing this coaching staff as an all time great.

 

However I am a fan and don't get stuck on the minutiae wrt to drafts, schemes and philosophy.

 

It is quite simple for us fans.  If a team is 8-8 for 3 seasons in a row, you look at it and say 2 more wins and you're in the playoffs.  I look at the skill positions and how they are utilized (and yes was pissed at Watkins, the trade and not targeting him enough).  I thought better coaching and tweaks to properly utilize Taylor and we'd see a huge improvement.

 

On the defensive side, it did not take much to see that they were undisciplined, took way too many penalties, and disorganized under Rex, which could be fixed easily to the point they would be competent.

 

So as said I will be here and cheering Sunday & hopefully beyond & will leave shortly thereafter while you argue about the draft, personnel moves & free agency.

 

I will return when Sammy signs and when a decision is made on Tyrod.

 

Again would we fans be so excited if they went 8-8, or 8-7-1 (as McDermott tried vs. Indy) and no playoffs.  

 

It is the Playoffs that has created this euphoria, not a record that matches those the prior 3 years......

 

Flame away!!!!!

 

 

Why are you a fan?

 

Marrone and Rex had MUCH more talented rosters and of the 3 seasons you spoke of, 2 of the 3 ended up with worse records than this one... with MUCH less talented rosters.

 

Go be a Pats* fan

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, SaviorPeterman said:

 

We most certainly backed in. This team went 4-5 in their final 9 games including an ugly 3 game losing streak and 2 lopsided Pats losses in which the offense scored a combined 12 points.

 

Also we did not control our destiny in week 17 and was pure luck the Bengals converted a 4th and long and took it for a score against the Ravens.

 

But again, it really don't matter how we got to the playoffs. At least the drought is finally over and things finally went this team's way. And regardless what happens against the Jags this regime won't have that hanging over their heads even if they fail to get back to the playoffs next year.

McD was playing 4d chess to purposely draw the game against the Jags.