Wayne Arnold Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 This is actually Buffalo's worst team since 2012 from an innovative statistics and intelligent analysis standpoint, finishing the 21st best team. Finished 9th in 2014 and 12th in 2015. So we were actually robbed of the playoffs those seasons considering 12 teams get to go. Sometimes you'd rather be lucky than good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 This is easily the worst thread of 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I sort of agree with the original poster's sentiment. It's nice to have the streak ended just because of the embarrassment it's caused over the past decade, but this team, from a talent and potential perspective, is arguably our worst since 2013. Just look at the point and yardage differentials. This isn't a team on a trajectory toward greatness (or even very-goodness). It's an old roster without much in the way of young playmakers. Honestly, the only guy on the team that I can see being a Pro Bowl caliber player three years from now is Tre White. I'm not all that excited or hopeful for the future. Grab a promising first round QB and I'm sure my feelings will change. Compare this with the drought-breaking 1988 squad. It seemed clear, with our young core, that it was the beginning of something special, not just a fluke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: This is easily the worst thread of 2018. somewhere, baldo is hard at work, hoping to prove you wrong. 4 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: I sort of agree with the original poster's sentiment. It's nice to have the streak ended just because of the embarrassment it's caused over the past decade, but this team, from a talent and potential perspective, is arguably our worst since 2013. Just look at the point and yardage differentials. This isn't a team on a trajectory toward greatness (or even very-goodness). It's an old roster without much in the way of young playmakers. Honestly, the only guy on the team that I can see being a Pro Bowl caliber player three years from now is Tre White. I'm not all that excited or hopeful for the future. Grab a promising first round QB and I'm sure my feelings will change. Compare this with the drought-breaking 1988 squad. It seemed clear, with our young core, that it was the beginning of something special, not just a fluke. come on. you're acting like this is going to be the same roster for the next 2-3 years. i think this team is even going to look wildly different next year with all of those pesky draft picks and some money to spend in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: I will return when Sammy signs and when a decision is made on Tyrod Thank god it's a package deal. It's been nice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: I sort of agree with the original poster's sentiment. It's nice to have the streak ended just because of the embarrassment it's caused over the past decade, but this team, from a talent and potential perspective, is arguably our worst since 2013. Just look at the point and yardage differentials. This isn't a team on a trajectory toward greatness (or even very-goodness). It's an old roster without much in the way of young playmakers. Honestly, the only guy on the team that I can see being a Pro Bowl caliber player three years from now is Tre White. I'm not all that excited or hopeful for the future. Grab a promising first round QB and I'm sure my feelings will change. Compare this with the drought-breaking 1988 squad. It seemed clear, with our young core, that it was the beginning of something special, not just a fluke. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the very next year, we squeaked into the playoffs with a 9-7 record and got help when Indy lost? Like it was a similar situation this year with the Ravens losing. Edited January 2, 2018 by Royale with Cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 It's going to take alot more than "get off my lawn 1972" guy to bum me out. All I need to do is watch another locker room video of Kyle hugging his sons. Good luck Bills. Brady & Bill will be retiring soon. Our future is bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 What I do not understand is why do we have to hold the bills to a higher standard then every other NFL friggen team.... It does not MATTER how we got in.....we won enough games and other teams lost enough games that WE ARE IN FACT IN. Should I feel bad about that? Cuz I dont. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: I sort of agree with the original poster's sentiment. It's nice to have the streak ended just because of the embarrassment it's caused over the past decade, but this team, from a talent and potential perspective, is arguably our worst since 2013. Just look at the point and yardage differentials. This isn't a team on a trajectory toward greatness (or even very-goodness). It's an old roster without much in the way of young playmakers. Honestly, the only guy on the team that I can see being a Pro Bowl caliber player three years from now is Tre White. I'm not all that excited or hopeful for the future. Grab a promising first round QB and I'm sure my feelings will change. Compare this with the drought-breaking 1988 squad. It seemed clear, with our young core, that it was the beginning of something special, not just a fluke. Correct. If we're talking about the future, well, there isn't all that much to be excited about in the next couple years. But somehow I thought we were talking about the present, given the title of "Enoughs enough - this team went 9-7." Tennessee is a considerably weaker team. Jacksonville a very similar team to us. We absolutely can win on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the very next year, we squeaked into the playoffs with a 9-7 record and got help when Indy lost? Like it was a similar situation this year with the Ravens losing. shhhh. let people be upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Don't feed the trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: And yes the 18 year curse was lifted. The Bills won the tie-breakers and we're in the playoffs with the best possible first round opponent (something I predicted btw). The point is (and I keep repeating) is that this is pretty much the same records as 2014-2016, so quit thinking this coaching staff & HO turned water into wine. What it did do was create such low expectations that some consider it a miracle. What was miraculous was winning 6 games where the opposition had the ball at the end of the game with a chance to win & the Bills winning each and every time. I am as excited as anyone that they are in the playoffs and planning my Sunday, but I am not getting ahead of myself and anointing this coaching staff as an all time great. However I am a fan and don't get stuck on the minutiae wrt to drafts, schemes and philosophy. It is quite simple for us fans. If a team is 8-8 for 3 seasons in a row, you look at it and say 2 more wins and you're in the playoffs. I look at the skill positions and how they are utilized (and yes was pissed at Watkins, the trade and not targeting him enough). I thought better coaching and tweaks to properly utilize Taylor and we'd see a huge improvement. On the defensive side, it did not take much to see that they were undisciplined, took way too many penalties, and disorganized under Rex, which could be fixed easily to the point they would be competent. So as said I will be here and cheering Sunday & hopefully beyond & will leave shortly thereafter while you argue about the draft, personnel moves & free agency. I will return when Sammy signs and when a decision is made on Tyrod. Again would we fans be so excited if they went 8-8, or 8-7-1 (as McDermott tried vs. Indy) and no playoffs. It is the Playoffs that has created this euphoria, not a record that matches those the prior 3 years...... Flame away!!!!! I've been as down on this team as most pessimistic fans the last 17 years, but the bottom line is they made the playoffs and it really don't matter if they got lucky and backed in so to speak. To end 17 years of agony and frustration for the city of Buffalo and bills fans worldwide is not to be taken for granted even if this team gets clobbered in Jacksonville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBill Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 At the end of the day - we're in the playoffs. I agree with the O.P. on some counts... Playoffs do not erase the fact that this is still a weak team that needs work - but this is not something the organization fails to realize What makes me most ecstatic about the playoffs? The fact that the drought is over. This chip is off the shoulder and we can move on. It will be just as hard to repeat this next season as it would have been not making the playoffs - it just won't feel like this wall of "18" seasons. And having one less hurdle is never a bad thing. Revel in the moment. We even got a winnable playoff matchup for round 1. Winning a playoff game would be another wall removed. Not that I am trying to say this team is on the verge of anything like the past... But back before the 'run', we had a few years of success (making the playoffs, hosting playoff games, getting to the AFC Championship) - without making the SB. That is necessary I feel to having sustained success again. This is one small step, accept that while realizing this is not a SB win - and we aren't showing signs of being on the cusp right now of doing that next season either. Go Bills. Beat Jacksonville. I would LOVE another chance at the Cheatriots - with some momentum of positive energy and accomplishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: I've been as down on this team as most pessimistic fans the last 17 years, but the bottom line is they made the playoffs and it really don't matter if they got lucky and backed in so to speak. To end 17 years of agony and frustration for the city of Buffalo and bills fans worldwide is not to be taken for granted even if this team gets clobbered in Jacksonville. finishing the season 4-2 after the 3 game meltdown that took us to 5-5 with wins AT arrowhead, in OT in the snow game and then SWEEPING YOUR FINS is anything but backing into the playoffs. that's called stepping up and doing what you need to do. at the end of the day the bills did enough throughout the season and the ravens didn't. bottom line. doesn't matter if it happened the last play of the game or midseason. they got help but they most definitely did not back into the posteason. not even close. Edited January 2, 2018 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: And I am a fan....... But I also look at this team without rose-coloured glasses...... I've said it if not a FAN, this team is hard to watch. They are hanging on for dear life almost every win and come the second half they lose almost everytime on halftime adjustments. They should have kicked Miami's butts twice, thoroughly outplayed KC too, yet hung on for dear life. Jauron ball kills me and the inability to throw for 300 (though they seem up for the challenge the first half at times). So you think this team is better the the prior 3 years? I will say they are more disciplined and for a change getting some breaks. Y^es I'm excited, but TBD and the pom pom waving does make me smirk. Now I get it. You're freakin' Canadian! Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I think reasons for future optomism is that this IS a weaker team then previous years in terms of talent but they still made the playoffs......we are about to go into a draft with several draft picks....we have free agency money to spend.......we traded away players we considered our blue chip players and STILL made the playoffs even though its not a finished product as far as McDermott's vision Plenty to be excited about for the future here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 So switch the Ravens' games against the Bengals and the Colts. Do the Bills still back into the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Schick Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Look around the NFL....almost every team could be called weak if you wanted to nit-pick. If you can't give the Bills significant credit for going 9-7 against a pretty brutal schedule with this roster then you're missing out. Beating KC when and where they did is a minor miracle on its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 12 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: finishing the season 4-2 after the 3 game meltdown that took us to 5-5 with wins AT arrowhead, in OT in the snow game and then SWEEPING YOUR FINS is anything but backing into the playoffs. that's called stepping up and doing what you need to do. at the end of the day the bills did enough throughout the season and the ravens didn't. bottom line. doesn't matter if it happened the last play of the game or midseason. they got help but they most definitely did not back into the posteason. not even close. We most certainly backed in. This team went 4-5 in their final 9 games including an ugly 3 game losing streak and 2 lopsided Pats losses in which the offense scored a combined 12 points. Also we did not control our destiny in week 17 and was pure luck the Bengals converted a 4th and long and took it for a score against the Ravens. But again, it really don't matter how we got to the playoffs. At least the drought is finally over and things finally went this team's way. And regardless what happens against the Jags this regime won't have that hanging over their heads even if they fail to get back to the playoffs next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, SaviorPeterman said: We most certainly backed in. This team went 4-5 in their final 9 games including an ugly 3 game losing streak and 2 lopsided Pats losses in which the offense scored a combined 12 points. Also we did not control our destiny in week 17 and was pure luck the Bengals converted a 4th and long and took it for a score against the Ravens. But again, it really don't matter how we got to the playoffs. At least the drought is finally over and things finally went this team's way. And regardless what happens against the Jags this regime won't have that hanging over their heads even if they fail to get back to the playoffs next year. dude. you're so far gone.... 4-2 over the last 6 weeks. you are going all the way back to freaking week 8 just to try and prove a dumb point.... they started hot. they lost 3 in a row middle of the season and then bounced back to snatch the playoffs with a late surge. that's literally nothing close to backing in. while we're on the pure luck train why don't we claim big bens last game drive to beat the ravens 4 weeks ago was also the only reason we are in. or maybe a loss they suffered back in September..... point being, if the Dalton play happens 3 weeks ago nobody is peddling that dumb narrative. look at the season as a whole. we did more than they did to get in over the course of 17 weeks. bottomline..... and finishing a season 4-2 after the benching of their qb is ANYTHING BUT BACKING IN. I don't know where you come up with this crap.... pretty soon your gonna be arguing next gen stats will prove somehow the fins can still sneak into the wildcard and blathering on about how good their coaching is. Edited January 2, 2018 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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