Steptide Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I'd definitely have to say yes. I know we got beat down by teams in those previous years where the bills started hot, but I don't remember having 3 straight games where the bills just got completely annihilated after starting so well. I've been dwelling on what happened to this team the last few weeks. 2 and half weeks ago, the national media was praising the bills and all talking how we were going back to the playoffs this year. It's absolutely mind boggling that 2 and a half weeks ago we were 5-2. I don't even recognize this team right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I think out of all our fast starts— this one surprised me as much as any. We jettisoned a lot of talent and brought on an OC that didn’t fit our qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 2011 I'd say is about equal if not worse. Remember we had the big Patriots win in week 3 that year where it felt we finally got that monster off our shoulders. After a 5-2 start that year as well: Week 9 Loss to Jets 27-11 Week 10 Loss to Cowboys 44-7 Week 11 Loss to Dolphins 35-8 Following that recipe were due to get one more win this year. It's like this year I almost saw this coming even though I wished it didnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, Another Fan said: 2011 I'd say is about equal if not worse. Remember we had the big Patriots win in week 3 that year where it felt we finally got that monster off our shoulders. After a 5-2 start that year as well: Week 9 Loss to Jets 27-11 Week 10 Loss to Cowboys 44-7 Week 11 Loss to Dolphins 35-8 Following that recipe were due to get one more win this year. It's like this year I almost saw this coming even though I wished it didnt Interesting. I remember those 3 games in 2011, but I actually forgot how badly we lost in those games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Steptide said: I'd definitely have to say yes. I know we got beat down by teams in those previous years where the bills started hot, but I don't remember having 3 straight games where the bills just got completely annihilated after starting so well. I've been dwelling on what happened to this team the last few weeks. 2 and half weeks ago, the national media was praising the bills and all talking how we were going back to the playoffs this year. It's absolutely mind boggling that 2 and a half weeks ago we were 5-2. I don't even recognize this team right now. I would have to go with 2011, myself. 5-2. We had a strong rushing game with FredEx and Spiller, well over 100 yds in 5 of 7 games. We had a LT. We beat the Patriots. We lost to the Giants, who won the Superbowl that year, by 3 points - in fact, both our losses were by 3 points. We finally had a QB who seemed able to throw a forward pass and a "goon squad" of WR who looked as though they could catch them. We had Dareus as our new DL stud, and what looked like improved LB in Nick Barnett from GB and Kelvin Sheppard vs Pozlusney and Ayodele. Then we beat Washington, and the wheels fell off. This year, I have not been happy about our offense since the second game against the Panthers. I know 9-3 doesn't look like a blowout, but our O was so inept it just looked like "trouble ahead". Maybe it was the huge fall-off from last year's run game to this, or various people I respect here going to preseason games and saying they weren't too impressed with Dennison's schemes, but I've been all "withhold judgement" from Game 2 Edited November 21, 2017 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 All the hot starts suck. It's a Bills tradition for the entire century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 This is the worst. The beat downs were the biggest and they came at the hands of the Jets and Chargers of all teams (Saints are pretty legit this season) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) 38 minutes ago, dayman said: This is the worst. The beat downs were the biggest and they came at the hands of the Jets and Chargers of all teams (Saints are pretty legit this season) The Chargers are legit too. They’ve had terrible luck, could easily be 2 or 3 wins better. In the weak AFC, they are still in the playoff hunt. Edited November 21, 2017 by KD in CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, dayman said: This is the worst. The beat downs were the biggest and they came at the hands of the Jets and Chargers of all teams (Saints are pretty legit this season) Even the saints game shouldn't have been a blowout though. The redskins pretty much dominated the saints all game yesterday. It's pretty sad our starting offense could only put up 3 points on them at home. Redskins put up 31 points against them in New Orleans. I know though, any given Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoff Bound Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 This year is worse because it seemed like things were lining up. 5 - 2 start, good defense and an adequate offense to be competitive. The Jets game looked like a win as did the Chargers game. I figured they would be 7 - 3 right now worse case. After these three blowouts I think beating Indy will be a challenge. I am not sure they could beat the Browns or niners right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 43 minutes ago, Steptide said: I'd definitely have to say yes. I know we got beat down by teams in those previous years where the bills started hot, but I don't remember having 3 straight games where the bills just got completely annihilated after starting so well. I've been dwelling on what happened to this team the last few weeks. 2 and half weeks ago, the national media was praising the bills and all talking how we were going back to the playoffs this year. It's absolutely mind boggling that 2 and a half weeks ago we were 5-2. I don't even recognize this team right now. Yes but mostly because every time it happens again it’s the worst time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Too early to tell. Our other 2 we finished 6-10 and 7-9. So if we don't win another which we may well not, then yeah. Otherwise, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 42 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I would have to go with 2011, myself. 5-2. We had a strong rushing game with FredEx and Spiller, well over 100 yds in 5 of 7 games. We had a LT. We beat the Patriots. We lost to the Giants, who won the Superbowl that year, by 3 points - in fact, both our losses were by 3 points. We finally had a QB who seemed able to throw a forward pass and a "goon squad" of WR who looked as though they could catch them. We had Dareus as our new DL stud, and what looked like improved LB in Nick Barnett from GB and Kelvin Sheppard vs Pozlusney and Ayodele. Then we beat Washington, and the wheels fell off. This year, I have not been happy about our offense since the second game against the Panthers. I know 9-3 doesn't look like a blowout, but our O was so inept it just looked like "trouble ahead". Maybe it was the huge fall-off from last year's run game to this, or various people I respect here going to preseason games and saying they weren't too impressed with Dennison's schemes, but I've been all "withhold judgement" from Game 2 Yeah the Jets game that year was definitely one of the most disappointing games of the drought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Too early to tell. Our other 2 we finished 6-10 and 7-9. So if we don't win another which we may well not, then yeah. Otherwise, no. Other two? We went 4-2 last year, in 2014 we started 5-3 and back in 04 we were 9-6 and I shouldn't even have to tell you how that ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 This is what we get for drinking the Kool Aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Just now, Steptide said: Other two? We went 4-2 last year, in 2014 we started 5-3 and back in 04 we were 9-6 and I shouldn't even have to tell you how that ended. We started 5-2 in 2008, 2011, and 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: This is what we get for drinking the Kool Aid. Thing is I never really did this year. I went into this season with zero expectations. What is disappointing to me is the enormous drop off that happened after the raiders game. I could at least respect if we lost the last 3 games in a respectable fashion, but I got Nothin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 This one is shocking because as good as the defense was playing early on they have just had three of the worst defensive performances in history. And one DT doesn't make that much difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Before the season I bought so much stock in McDermont that I can't sell now. However it's really hard to watch the daily stock report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Just now, Steptide said: Thing is I never really did this year. I went into this season with zero expectations. What is disappointing to me is the enormous drop off that happened after the raiders game. I could at least respect if we lost the last 3 games in a respectable fashion, but I got Nothin I’m clueless as what happened to the defense. There is no way all of those INTs and strips were “pure luck” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: We started 5-2 in 2008, 2011, and 2017. True, but we've had quite a few good starts only to be let down. The sad thing is, of all those good starts, the only team that we beat that was really good was the Pats in 2011. Every other team I can think of beating in these hot starts was never really good that particular year, unless I'm forgetting someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) This one was a mirage. No way those TOs were sustainable. Should of seen it coming. Edited November 21, 2017 by billsfan714 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, billsfan714 said: This one was a mirage. No way those TOs were sustainable. Should of seen it coming. What’s funny As soon as someone here posted that the well dried up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 LIke when the play by play guy says he hasnt fumbled in 350 carries......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Just now, billsfan714 said: LIke when the play by play guy says he hasnt fumbled in 350 carries......... Then he fumbles or they haven’t scored 35 points all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I think the 2008 was the worst. Started 5-1 then Trent got his clock cleaned on a head shot and went 1-9 to finish the season. There was more than a glimmer of hope that year but it all feel apart after that hit and Captain checkdown was born. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I think the 2008 was the worst. Started 5-1 then Trent got his clock cleaned on a head shot and went 1-9 to finish the season. There was more than a glimmer of hope that year but it all feel apart after that hit and Captain checkdown was born. Trent was shell shocked after that hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Sometimes I wonder if Edwards is still our QB if that hit had never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Then he fumbles or they haven’t scored 35 points all season. Or the Bills havent been 6-4 after starting 5-2 since......yep it was right there staring us in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 25 minutes ago, billsfan714 said: This one was a mirage. No way those TOs were sustainable. Should of seen it coming. Someone in the national media (I think it was Bill Barnwell on ESPN.com) said in a column a couple weeks ago that the Bills defense would regress to the mean during the 2nd half of the season. I didn't want to believe it but, alas, here we are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Another Fan said: 2011 I'd say is about equal if not worse. Remember we had the big Patriots win in week 3 that year where it felt we finally got that monster off our shoulders. After a 5-2 start that year as well: Week 9 Loss to Jets 27-11 Week 10 Loss to Cowboys 44-7 Week 11 Loss to Dolphins 35-8 Following that recipe were due to get one more win this year. It's like this year I almost saw this coming even though I wished it didnt Yeah, that was worse. This year always felt like a smoke and mirrors thing to me. Back then I was a fool - I really believed we had turned the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 13 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Yeah, that was worse. This year always felt like a smoke and mirrors thing to me. Back then I was a fool - I really believed we had turned the corner. Same here, beating the Patriots that year made me Bill-ieve, especially in Fitz-Magic (though I wasn't that much of a sucker to buy a Fitz-Magic shirt that year). I would have to had wait a couple more weeks this year before I really bought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 Just now, Another Fan said: Same here, beating the Patriots that year made me Bill-ieve, especially in Fitz-Magic (though I wasn't that much of a sucker to buy a Fitz-Magic shirt that year). I would have to had wait a couple more weeks this year before I really bought in. I wouldn't be surprised if we had retained Fitz in 2013 and brought in some good recievers, that we would've made the playoffs. Think of Fitz with those 2013 and 2014 teams. Think we could've possibly made the playoffs those years with him. He definitely wasn't the long term answer by any means. But Imo he is better than Ej and Kyle Orton and it's debatable if he's better than Tyrod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: This is what we get for drinking the Kool Aid. I was gonna take my first sip after the jets game. Never got around to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 39 minutes ago, Haslett_Stomp said: Someone in the national media (I think it was Bill Barnwell on ESPN.com) said in a column a couple weeks ago that the Bills defense would regress to the mean during the 2nd half of the season. I didn't want to believe it but, alas, here we are... At this point I would be happy if we could get back to average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 15 minutes ago, Air it out Fitzy said: I was gonna take my first sip after the jets game. Never got around to it. That's right where I was. That would've been 6-2, and I would've been right on the bandwagon ... but in the back of my mind, I knew better ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 18 minutes ago, Steptide said: I wouldn't be surprised if we had retained Fitz in 2013 and brought in some good recievers, that we would've made the playoffs. Think of Fitz with those 2013 and 2014 teams. Think we could've possibly made the playoffs those years with him. He definitely wasn't the long term answer by any means. But Imo he is better than Ej and Kyle Orton and it's debatable if he's better than Tyrod Fitz actually hasn't been doing too shabby these last couple weeks. I always really liked him as he came across as a very likeable guy. You may be right about 2013 & 2014. I just remember he really struggled here after he got his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 Just now, Another Fan said: Fitz actually hasn't been doing too shabby these last couple weeks. I always really liked him as he came across as a very likeable guy. You may be right about 2013 & 2014. I just remember he really struggled here after he got his contract. Yes, and struggled with the jets last year after getting a contract. He definitely had some awful moments, but in hindsight keeping him in the 13/14 seasons would've probably played out much better for the bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 17 minutes ago, Steptide said: Yes, and struggled with the jets last year after getting a contract. He definitely had some awful moments, but in hindsight keeping him in the 13/14 seasons would've probably played out much better for the bills You could dream up a pretty decent alternative history in which we kept Fitzy, never drafted EJ, kept Fitzy through his big money years (I think that means through 2015), went QB shopping in the 2016 draft, and came away with Dak Prescott. But knowing us, we would've come away with Paxton Lynch ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 31 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: That's right where I was. That would've been 6-2, and I would've been right on the bandwagon ... but in the back of my mind, I knew better ... Having a sip at 5-2 is amateur hour as a bills fan ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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