stevestojan Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Having a ****ty QB and ****ty defense are not mutually exclusive. Fixing one (or at least moving away from one that we know is broken) is better than doing nothing. By the logic of “it’s not Tyrod’s fault that the defense can’t tackle” is like saying you shouldn’t put the fire out in your kitchen because the bathroom is flooding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Remember the huge to do about Deshaun Watson's lack of arm strength at this years combine? Had the weakest arm with the poorest velocity of any quarterback there. If any of these guys truly had a "noodle arm" they wouldnt be in the NFL. Peterman can make up for the lack of velocity by being ahead of the curve when it comes to reading defenses and getting the ball out quickly. Where I think the real issue is with Nate is his inaccuracy. Has a tendency to miss wide and high. To me, Watson's arm was clearly superior to Peterman's and wasn't an issue. The fact it was to a lot of scouts, when it's better than Nate's should show you why NP was a fifth rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Peterman arm strength is fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 minute ago, stevestojan said: Having a ****ty QB and ****ty defense are not mutually exclusive. Fixing one (or at least moving away from one that we know is broken) is better than doing nothing. By the logic of “it’s not Tyrod’s fault that the defense can’t tackle” is like saying you shouldn’t put the fire out in your kitchen because the bathroom is flooding. Exactly. The National media’s logic makes no sense. Besides we DID make a move for the run defense, we cut Worthy and signed Coleman. I don’t remember anyone saying “why are the Bills trying to fix the run defense if the offense sucks?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Just now, K-9 said: Everything in the sense of the straw that broke the camel's back maybe, but I don't see McD as the type of coach to pull a player based on one bad game. TT has had many in his tenure and it's his whole body of work in that regard that informs the decision more than anything. I agree. He isn't an emotional type of guy like Rex. He is a deliberate person and plays it relatively safe. And I'm reading this from the way his defenses are - they are sound, solid, and safe. He doesn't take a lot of risks with his defenses. He's going to take the percentages, whatever gives him the best safest chances. So IMO this wasn't a rash decision, and I have to think he has been thinking about this for sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Just now, HappyDays said: Exactly. The National media’s logic makes no sense. Besides we DID make a move for the run defense, we cut Worthy and signed Coleman. I don’t remember anyone saying “why are the Bills trying to fix the run defense if the offense sucks?” Picking a lineman off waivers isn't really a 'fix' on defense. It's a change. QB is the only position that really has major impact, that's why it's a difficult call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Remember the huge to do about Deshaun Watson's lack of arm strength at this years combine? Had the weakest arm with the poorest velocity of any quarterback there. If any of these guys truly had a "noodle arm" they wouldnt be in the NFL. Peterman can make up for the lack of velocity by being ahead of the curve when it comes to reading defenses and getting the ball out quickly. Where I think the real issue is with Nate is his inaccuracy. Has a tendency to miss wide and high. Yes I noticed those misses too. I think that's his footwork. He wasn't set properly. If he's a tad off, that throw goes way wide. He needs to get more consistent footwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 25 minutes ago, KCNC said: I have said for a long time, one thing I think that has hampered TT is he is not a cold weather quarterback. Hoping that is not the case with NP. NP played @ Pitt it gets cold there 14 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: The Tyrod Taylor experiment is over with in Buffalo. Hopefully it is not too late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I didnt see McD as the kind of coach to change his offensive strategy a few times in one season. I didn't see him as a coach to have such highs and such lows. I didn't see him as a coach to watch his team not stop the run or the pass and then not do much of anything to try to take at least one of them away. Not sure I follow the logic here. Are you suggesting that because he hasn't shown much of anything in the way of fixing a broken run defense that he shouldn't make a QB switch? As for highs and lows, I think he's been pretty steady. That loss hurt on Sunday; it was of historic proportions so I can understand the low there but I suspect he made the film study in a rational way and didn't make the switch out of some sense of desperation. Perhaps I'm wrong about that, but I just don't get the vibe that he's a knee-jerk reactionary. Not sure I follow the idea of changing the offensive strategy a few times in one season, either. Game plans tend to be different each week for every team as it is. I think he made a good decision to consult his OLine about using more of the zone concepts they preferred from last season as that helped the running game afterward for a few games and they've continued to try to establish the run game. They didn't get away from wanting to establish TT as a pocket passer so they've been consistent in that regard, too. Maybe I'm not understanding your comment so if you can point to a couple specifics it might help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 11 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: NP played @ Pitt it gets cold there Hopefully it is not too late It's too late, he will never be the long term starter here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 4 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Pretty much tells you they realize the team is heading down the tubes this season and might as well evaluate Peterman. I think my slightly different spin on the same thought is, they realized they aren't going to be able to fix the defense, so a game manager mobile low turnover QB no longer works. Time to roll the dice hoping to trade a few more picks for a lot more offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
writer21 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Wow I'm shocked.... Everyone and their mother could see who the better QB was garbage time or not. But the Bills had the balls to make the change with a winning record. Maybe not same ole Bills. If he falls on his face then we know what position will be priority in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclepete Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said: If he is a mediocre backup then wouldn't he be even more likely to lose than Tyrod? I love this news. Now we can see what we have in Peterman, if anything, prior to the draft. Oh, and if by chance he DOES succeed? Bonus! The problem is we might pass on drafting a franchise QB because we believe in Peterman. Even if Tyrod got us to the playoffs we would draft his replacement. Average success by Peterman could mean he gets the more time than he deserves. Or worse, we draft a QB next year and have another controversy. I hope he balls out but this could have been handled better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 3 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: National media making it about one game, Bills fans making it about 38 games and McD making it about 9 games. have no clue, nor does anyone else. Do have a clue about Tyrod though, prolly 175 and 1 TD, with no picks , and lots of plays left on the field and lots of 3 and outs I was just curious as a lot of folks wanted this to happen. Wanted to see what people we expecting. I guess a good follow up question would be what does Peterman have to do for the remainder of the season for us not draft a 1st round QB in the draft next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 14 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: It's too late, he will never be the long term starter here. The Chargers can be defeated, Miami can be defeated, Indy can be defeated. We controlled KC last season for a half w/o passing in the 2nd hafl that led to a loss. Well I'm thinking our chances there have changed for the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 6 minutes ago, unclepete said: The problem is we might pass on drafting a franchise QB because we believe in Peterman. Even if Tyrod got us to the playoffs we would draft his replacement. Average success by Peterman could mean he gets the more time than he deserves. Or worse, we draft a QB next year and have another controversy. I hope he balls out but this could have been handled better. I can't agree with this; I think we are going hard after a QB. But if Peterman flashes, it may mean we won't have to give up too many picks or reach for one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: The Chargers can be defeated, Miami can be defeated, Indy can be defeated. We controlled KC last season for a half w/o passing in the 2nd hafl that led to a loss. Well I'm thinking our chances there have changed for the better. I was referring to Tyrod being the starter, which is what I thought you were talking about, guess I missed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worstcaseontario Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Wow shame on me, i thought the bills would see if tryod lost 2 or 3 more to make a change. Cant wait to see what Peterman can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: I would like to publicly call out users here such as 26 Corner Blitz and Kelly the Dog for their continued horrendous takes regarding the game of football. I enjoyed Kelly's comment not long ago where he bitched about "having to endure the continued ridiculous talk of starting Peterman" which of course others lapped up like so much Bills flavored Kool Aid. Then we have the lovely 26 Corner Blitz making it his second job (after spambotting this forum 24/7) to attack any user at any time about how great Tyrod is and how foolish it is to suggest that Peterman might be better or should start. Within the last few days, 26 Corner Blitz offered up such highly informing commentary as "Oh yeah, then why is Peterman the back-up if he is so good?" and so on. Then you have the more garden variety of clueless kool aid Bills drinker referencing McD's comment in the post-game press conference saying "Tyrod is our starter" as if that means, case closed, he is the starter. I guess some haven't figured out yet that what a coach says publicly and what he thinks are usually two different things. Why is it that the most consistently clueless around here are often the loudest? Please gentlemen, sit down and SHUT THE F UP! Thanks! No, Thank You. 26 owes us all a big apology. Edited November 15, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 minute ago, K-9 said: I can't agree with this; I think we are going hard after a QB. But if Peterman flashes, it may mean we won't have to give up too many picks or reach for one. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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