stinky finger Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 If you don't love what Beane and McD have done to this organization in a remarkably short time, I just can't help you... I think they are worse off. How do you not think so? There is a reason why he was starting. At the absolute worst, he provides great depth.. They didn't get a better offer because he has a big contract in which he hasn't lived up too, and he has off field concerns. But that doesn't take away that he isn't better than some random the Bills are going to have to plug in when Worthy needs a breather. Does it make sense for the future? Yes I understand that part. Does this make them a slightly worse team today? Absolutely Dude you're 6 games in. Fans aren't wrong to notice the lack of top flight talent and paper thin depth. Dude - what did that talent do when it was here? Time will tell. All I know is this appears like a radically different approach. Im thinking 2017 is a building year, who the hell knows about 2018 draft & free agency? hmmm let's see. radically different? I can't understand why. It's only been 17 years since..... < quickly scrolls entire thread looking for quality take > <.finds none, moves on > you're wonderful < quickly scrolls entire thread looking for quality take > <.finds none, moves on > you're wonderful Winning will keep a GM around for a long time. I dont care about the big names, just the Ws. So far this team has already passed my expectations and im looking forward to the rest of the season. But what about all that talent we lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastalpika Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 You have got to be kidding me... The team is currently 4-2 and Marcell Dareus has done absolutely nothing to contribute to their current winning record. I watched him closely last week and I was not impressed at all. At no point did he seem like one of the top DT's in the league. Marcell was given every chance to succeed under multiple coaching staffs and he instead chose to make poor decisions and became a cancer in the locker room. Do you recall him publically throwing Rex Ryan under the bus last year and whining about his defense being too complicated? What was his excuse this season now that the defense has been simplified? It is Marcell's fault that he came into this year out of shape and chose laziness over discipline. With regards to his other moves, this team is in cap hell and like it or not Buffalo is not an attractive destination for free agents do to the franchise history and the national perception of Buffalo in general. They have to build through the draft and so far I give them an A+ for fielding a competitive team after getting rid of their "stars." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 If you don't love what Beane and McD have done to this organization in a remarkably short time, I just can't help you... You mean like when they let Gilmore walk and used that money to sign Poyer and Hyde? Or when they traded Darby who want the best fit and got a guy in Gaines that (while being oft hurt) has played amazing? Almost seems like they have an plan...a...dare I say process that they are taking. Building a team? Maybe just maybe that's not just "coachspeak"? Bills fans just aren't used to a sensible long term approach with a plan for long term competitive structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard bills fan Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Fixed that for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 4 - 2. Bills fans don't understand what winning feels like, yikes. Oh, so we're in the playoffs now? Sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 No kidding ! If you actually believe what you have written in this post you might want to look into what level the rest of the D has been playing at WITH OUT Dareus on the field !! The guy has had more than his share of chances while being a Bill & has gotten paid by the previous FO which was a foolish deal to say the least ! Lock a guy in to a contract that put's the team in salary cap purgatory & all's the player has to do is make one mistake & he's on the bench for 3/4's of the season because the dude just seemed to not care & why should he he's guaranteed $60 mill weather he plays or not ... Give me $60 mill & watch me sit on my ass too !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Hasn't made a single right decision his tenure here. Keeps trading away the only talented players on our roster and for what? Has anyone taken a look at our DT depth, its horrible. He just handed out a pro bowl DT in the prime of his career for pennies. NONE of his trades/signings have made any sense. complete shambles. People think this is a good trade just bc we are 4-2. Wait until November rolls around and the real Buffalo Bills show up just like the last 17 years folks. This fan base is legit the most delusional in the NFL. no joke. If anyone is responsible for the success of our team right now its DOUG WHALEY I think I am now dumber after reading this...thanks OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 4 solo tackles and one sack in 6 games says otherwise. Why would the Bills start him/play him then, if there were 2 players at his position better than him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12Kachy Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I question Bean and MCD too; however, Darues made himself expendable through his off field actions and lack of on field actions. Who knows what will happened over the next three years. But doing the same thing over the last 17 years has resulted in nothing. At least Beane and Ronald MCD are trying something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) Top 3 worst GM's! Well someone hasn't payed attention during the last 17 years. Had we kept an often injuried WR we were a playoff team for sure! When exactly has a WR carried a team to the playoffs? Give me that teamand year? He keeps trading away all of our talented players? I'm confused, how many snaps as Darius plate this year? How many has Kyle Williams? Now we know MD has more talent but KW plays the game the right way. I'll take more Kyle Williams type players than big ego boys. But in the end, can we get a QB? Edited October 28, 2017 by KRT88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 You have got to be kidding me... The team is currently 4-2 and Marcell Dareus has done absolutely nothing to contribute to their current winning record. I watched him closely last week and I was not impressed at all. At no point did he seem like one of the top DT's in the league. Marcell was given every chance to succeed under multiple coaching staffs and he instead chose to make poor decisions and became a cancer in the locker room. Do you recall him publically throwing Rex Ryan under the bus last year and whining about his defense being too complicated? What was his excuse this season now that the defense has been simplified? It is Marcell's fault that he came into this year out of shape and chose laziness over discipline. With regards to his other moves, this team is in cap hell and like it or not Buffalo is not an attractive destination for free agents do to the franchise history and the national perception of Buffalo in general. They have to build through the draft and so far I give them an A+ for fielding a competitive team after getting rid of their "stars." ....there you go with that "VOICE OF REASON" stuff.........the "fickle get fickler"..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Hasn't made a single right decision his tenure here. Keeps trading away the only talented players on our roster and for what? Has anyone taken a look at our DT depth, its horrible. He just handed out a pro bowl DT in the prime of his career for pennies. NONE of his trades/signings have made any sense. complete shambles. People think this is a good trade just bc we are 4-2. Wait until November rolls around and the real Buffalo Bills show up just like the last 17 years folks. This fan base is legit the most delusional in the NFL. no joke. If anyone is responsible for the success of our team right now its DOUG WHALEY Your going to be labeled a troll for this but I agree for the most part. If we lose against the Raiders like most expect, 4-2 can easily become 4-4 in the span of 5 days. And even if we win against some equal to worse teams record wise, not sure where the wins are coming from against the Dolphins x 2, Pats x 2, Saints, Chiefs, Chargers, etc. Bills won't be favored in any of those games. Realistically though I think Beane and McD know this isn't a playoff team this year but they are doing what they can to stay competitive while looking ahead to the future. And while stockpiling draft picks is nice, it won't matter if we don't hit on them and/or trade most of them away to move up for a QB or player like we did with Watkins and that guy don't pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I love our new team of admin. and coaches. Cleaning out the swamp. Give them a break. Six games in and we couldn't be happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Why would the Bills start him/play him then, if there were 2 players at his position better than him? To show a trading partner he was healthy? Do you think he played his most snaps of the year because they were starting to like him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) I don't think this is true, is it? Dareus' cap hit for the Bills this year was around $16M. The only reason it's listed at $5M for the Jags is because the Bills already paid a big chunk of it (and that stays on our cap) I don't remember the exact figure but His 2018 cap hit for the Bills would have been over $14 or $16M. By trading Dareus the Bills save $5.7M on the cap this year and they save $2M on the cap next year, so I don't see how they would have had $10M more in cap space next year by keeping him...? Edit - here's a breakdown I found from 2015. I'm not sure if it's 100% correct or not. I'll have to look around some more. https://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-analysis-all-22/2015/9/12/9310199/marcell-dareus-contract-details-buffalo-bills-full-breakdown You are correct this is wrong as spotrak wipes out old info as soon as trade happens. I will past the correct in here in a min. Sorry! Correction is below credit to Bumbles247 100% Originally Posted by Bumbles247 http://www.!@#$.com/showthread.php?p=3464931#post3464931 You can't look at Spotrac's number for Jax and apply them to Buffalo's. First of all, Buffalo's cap hit for 2017 if they kept him was $16.4 mil. That included $9.75 million in salary, $250,000 in workout bonus, and $6.4 mil in prorated signing bonus. The $5.735 mil "hit" you're showing is how much of the base salary Jax now has to pay Dareus. $9,750,000 / 17 weeks = $573,529 per week X 10 remaining weeks = $5,735, 290. That's how much Jax would be hit with if they cut Dareus now (along with $7.35 mil of guaranteed 2018 salary). That's also the amount Buffalo "saves" this year because they no longer have to pay that portion of his salary. So our original cap hit for 2017 went from - --$9.75 mil salary ---- .25 mil workout + 6.40 mil prorated ... --$16.4 mil to - ---$4.0155 mil salary ----- .25 mil workout -- +6.40 mil prorated ... ---$10.665 mil Our 2017 cap hit went from $16.4 mil down to $10.665 mil, meaning we saved $5.735 in cap space in 2017. For 2018 you show a hit of $10.175 mil. Again, that's Jax's hit, not what ours would have been if we kept him. Jax's numbers come from MD's $9,925,000 salary + $250,000 workout bonus. If Buffalo had kept him it would have included those numbers plus another $6.4 in prorated signing bonus, totaling $16.575 mil. The cap hit we get by accelerating his remaining prorated bonus is now $14.2 mil. That means we save $2.375 mil in cap space in 2018. Moving on to 2019, again, you're looking at Jax's numbers. They can cut MD after 2018 with no more cap hits because they don't have any prorated bonus amounts charged against them. That stays with us. The $14.2 mil charge against us in 2018 comes from prorated charges of- 2018 - $6.4 mil 2019 - $6.4 mil 2020 - $1.4 mil These charges don't apply to Jax. But if the Bills kept Dareus through 2018 then released him they would still have the 2019 and 2020 charges accelerated. Meaning they would still get hit with $7.8 mil in dead cap in 2019. Now let's review- Keeping Dareus for 2017 and 2018 would cost the Bills (in cap charges) - 2017 - $16.400 mil 2018 - $16.575 mil 2019 - $ 7.800 mil By trading him the cap hits are now - 2017 - $10.665 mil ($5.735 mil less) 2018 - $14.200 mil ($2.375 mil less) 2019 - $00.000 mil ($7.8 mil less) Yes there is dead cap space. And there are plenty of arguments about whether the amount we are saving is worth losing the player. But we are not losing any cap space by this trade. We are gaining. Edited October 28, 2017 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 You have got to be kidding me... The team is currently 4-2 and Marcell Dareus has done absolutely nothing to contribute to their current winning record. I watched him closely last week and I was not impressed at all. At no point did he seem like one of the top DT's in the league. Marcell was given every chance to succeed under multiple coaching staffs and he instead chose to make poor decisions and became a cancer in the locker room. Do you recall him publically throwing Rex Ryan under the bus last year and whining about his defense being too complicated? What was his excuse this season now that the defense has been simplified? It is Marcell's fault that he came into this year out of shape and chose laziness over discipline. With regards to his other moves, this team is in cap hell and like it or not Buffalo is not an attractive destination for free agents do to the franchise history and the national perception of Buffalo in general. They have to build through the draft and so far I give them an A+ for fielding a competitive team after getting rid of their "stars." And that was his best game of the year,his crappy stats just about doubled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Hasn't made a single right decision his tenure here. Keeps trading away the only talented players on our roster and for what? Has anyone taken a look at our DT depth, its horrible. He just handed out a pro bowl DT in the prime of his career for pennies. NONE of his trades/signings have made any sense. complete shambles. People think this is a good trade just bc we are 4-2. Wait until November rolls around and the real Buffalo Bills show up just like the last 17 years folks. This fan base is legit the most delusional in the NFL. no joke. If anyone is responsible for the success of our team right now its DOUG WHALEY LOOOOOOLLLLL your an idiot. Beane will go down as the best GM ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Building your D around Dareus would be a big mistake. MD is one joint away from a year or more suspension...having used up all the prior shorter penalities. Can't believe they really found a taker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) Whatever side you are on, you got to admit. Beane has some brass balls. Whaley wouldn't have even considered this. Edited October 28, 2017 by BillsEnthusiast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 The only trade I wasn't crazy about was Watkins. We would be better with him and now that we dumped Dareus, which they planned all along we could have afforded him. He isn't hurt finally so that's the part that sucked these last few years. TT would be so much better with Watkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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