Dareus traded to Jacksonville!

[Kirby Jackson]

Will be interesting to see how this defense plays this week because if we do lose the Raiders as most expect and the defense is horrible again some critics will no doubt point the finger and Beane and McD for their eagerness to unload a player like Dareus.

As most expect? The Bills are a 3 point favorite

[aristocrat]

dareus is gonna play next to calais campbell....who has 10 sacks already on the year.

[mannc]

As most expect? The Bills are a 3 point favorite

😄😄😄

[BeginnersMind]

Yea, tell that to Chuck Knox. A man who took a team of nobodies and made them believe in themselves so much so that they made the playoffs.

 

Bill Parcells was another man who wanted "lunch pail" guys and didn't care for superstar type players. He won a Superbowl with the backup QB scrub starting.

 

 

 

I agree with your post, but credit those Parcells teams to Belichek. He was the genius behind that defense.

[YoloinOhio]

CAPACCIO: Trade of Dareus yet another sign new Bills' regime won't be swayed from plan

http://www.wgr550.com/articles/opinion/capaccio-trade-dareus-yet-another-sign-new-bills-regime-wont-be-swayed-plan

If there were any doubt, any whatsoever, that the new Bills' regime was going to stick to their plan, and not be swayed by what looks to be a more-promising-than-thought season, Friday night should put that notion to rest once and for all...

They have a plan for the future and theyre sticking to it no matter what. Dareus simply wasnt in those plans. And if theres one thing weve learned about these two men now running the show, if youre not in their plan for the future, they have no room for you in the present, either

[SectionC3]

If that's the conversation then it's a pretty moronic one. Sadly, that's par for the course around here lately. Every future late round pick is not Tanner Vallejo, that's a ridiculous notion. We can't quantify the negative effect Dareus has on the locker room with numbers so it becomes easy to dismiss. Apathy and laziness are contagious, and I think this sends a fantastic message to the locker room - "We don't care about your contract, go hard every day or you're getting shipped out."

 

What do you think the rest of the league was offering for him this offseason? Probably nothing or a 7th round conditional pick. This guy was one more missed meeting away from being outright cut.

The draft pick has next to nothing to do with the trade. The transaction was about excising a headache from the locker room, mitigating the risk dareus suffers a catastrophic injury this year that would prevent him from being cut in a timely fashion next year, and freeing even a minimal amount of cap space. Mission accomplished. With a lottery ticket to boot.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

CAPACCIO: Trade of Dareus yet another sign new Bills' regime won't be swayed from plan

http://www.wgr550.com/articles/opinion/capaccio-trade-dareus-yet-another-sign-new-bills-regime-wont-be-swayed-plan

 

....hard to argue with.......by his own actions, Dareus made sure he was not to be a part of those plans......good riddance............

[Kirby Jackson]

 

If that's the conversation then it's a pretty moronic one. Sadly, that's par for the course around here lately. Every future late round pick is not Tanner Vallejo, that's a ridiculous notion. We can't quantify the negative effect Dareus has on the locker room with numbers so it becomes easy to dismiss. Apathy and laziness are contagious, and I think this sends a fantastic message to the locker room - "We don't care about your contract, go hard every day or you're getting shipped out."

 

What do you think the rest of the league was offering for him this offseason? Probably nothing or a 7th round conditional pick. This guy was one more missed meeting away from being outright cut.

I listed a decades worth of 6th round picks earlier: Xavier Omon, Cary Harris, Danny Batten, Chris White, Mark Asper, Dustin Hopkins, Tony Steward, Nick OLeary, Kolby Listenbee, Kevon Seymour and the aforementioned Tanner Vallejo. This wasnt cherry picking a 6th round scrub. It was painting a harsh reality of the type of talent that is acquired in the 6th round.

 

I would rather put up with Dareus personality than Vallejo and $2M in space. He wouldnt have been on my roster in 2019 but he would have been through 2018. It was a cost/benefit issue imo. I dont for one second believe that Dareus was influencing/poisoning anyone in that locker room. He was a goofball by all accounts. Even if he was lazy and apathetic that wasnt rubbing off on anyone else. They should have tried to maximize his talent or gotten enough value back to warrant shipping him out. If that wasnt the case, which it wasnt, he should have been on the roster until that happened. You had an out after 2018.

Edited October 28, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[26CornerBlitz]

@SalSports

Dareus' snap count this season (5 games played): 59% 26% 31% 33% 57%

[BeginnersMind]

I listed a decades worth of 6th round picks earlier: Xavier Omon, Cary Harris, Danny Batten, Chris White, Mark Asper, Dustin Hopkins, Tony Steward, Nick OLeary, Kolby Listenbee, Kevon Seymour and the aforementioned Tanner Vallejo. This wasnt cherry picking a 6th round scrub. It was painting a harsh reality of the type of talent that is acquired in the 6th round.

 

I would rather put up with Dareus personality than Vallejo and $2M in space. He wouldnt have been on my roster in 2019 but he would have been through 2018. It was a cost/benefit issue imo. I dont for one second believe that Dareus was influencing/poisoning anyone in that locker room. He was a goofball by all accounts. Even if he was lazy and apathetic that wasnt rubbing off on anyone else. They should have tried to maximize his talent or gotten enough value back to warrant shipping him out. If that wasnt the case, which it wasnt, he should have been on the roster until that happened. You had an out after 2018.

 

Successful teams (in all aspects of life and sport) are built around people buying in. One bad apple CAN spoil the bunch. And when that bad apple is the highest paid player on the team, you better bet it hurts morale.

 

@SalSports

Dareus' snap count this season (5 games played): 59% 26% 31% 33% 57%

 

 

I really like Dareus and the Bills will miss him. I support the new regime but I hope the others can get it done!

[SoTier]

I'm surprised that the Bills were able to find a trade partner at all. The reason they only got a 6th is because every team in the NFL knew how badly the Bills wanted to unload Dareus and most were willing to wait for the Bills to cut Dareus in the off season when they could get him without his contract.

 

That Jacksonville was willing to trade for a player that the entire league knew was going to be cut after the season says that Marrone wanted Dareus pretty badly, too. My guess is that Dareus is going to flourish under Marrone and that the Jags' D is going to carry that team to the playoffs, possibly keeping the Bills from making the playoffs this year. They're 4-3 and tied for first in the AFC South despite problems on offense with Bortles poor play (although he's improved somewhat recently). The Jags' D is already formidable, earning the nickname "Sacksonville" early on:

• 6th in yards/game;
• 2nd in points/game;
• 1st in total sacks;
• 2nd in INTs;
• tied for 1st in forced fumbles;

Like the trades of Jason Peters and Marshawn Lynch a few years ago as well as Sammy Watkins this preseason, it's likely this one is going to come back to bite the Bills in their arse simply because the Bills got so little in return ... and this time traded a player within their own conference.

 

The 2018 draft better be something special because the Bills are going to need to fill half their team with rookies next season.

[Kirby Jackson]

 

Successful teams (in all aspects of life and sport) are built around people buying in. One bad apple CAN spoil the bunch. And when that bad apple is the highest paid player on the team, you better bet it hurts morale.

The Patriots won the AFC with Aaron Hernandez. Im not buying the one bad apple theory. The only way it holds true is if that player is a leader of the team. Bryant isnt ruining the Steelers either. They will just send him to the bench and move along. Hes a way worse character guy than Dareus. They are going to try to reel him back in and maximize his talent. They are doing that because the value that the Steelers will get at this point isnt enough to rid themselves of the talented headache.

[26CornerBlitz]

Rodak: Bills Save $54 million in Cap Space by Dumping Marcell Dareus' Contract

The sixth-round pick the Bills got from the Jaguars might not seem like much compensation for Marcell Dareus, but the trade saved Buffalo $54 million.

 

Without Dareus, the Bills are expected to use a rotation of Adolphus Washington, Jerel Worthy and Cedric Thornton alongside longtime starter Kyle Williams at defensive tackle. Even with Dareus' limited contributions, the Bills' run defense ranks sixth in yards allowed per game (84.5) and fourth in opposing yards per carry (3.45).

 

"Obviously we wouldn’t have done [the trade] if we didn’t feel like we had depth at the D-tackle position," Beane said. "We kept five D-tackles [on the 53-man roster]. Those guys all had experience. They played the Denver game [in Week 3] when Marcell was injured. So we feel good about those guys going forward this year. So that’s why we felt compelled to go through with the move."

[Kirby Jackson]

Rodak: Bills Save $54 million in Cap Space by Dumping Marcell Dareus' Contract

 

Without Dareus, the Bills are expected to use a rotation of Adolphus Washington, Jerel Worthy and Cedric Thornton alongside longtime starter Kyle Williams at defensive tackle. Even with Dareus' limited contributions, the Bills' run defense ranks sixth in yards allowed per game (84.5) and fourth in opposing yards per carry (3.45).

 

"Obviously we wouldnt have done [the trade] if we didnt feel like we had depth at the D-tackle position," Beane said. "We kept five D-tackles [on the 53-man roster]. Those guys all had experience. They played the Denver game [in Week 3] when Marcell was injured. So we feel good about those guys going forward this year. So thats why we felt compelled to go through with the move."

Clickbait

 

He wasnt ever going to be on the roster in 2019 so those savings were inevitable.

[SoTier]

I listed a decades worth of 6th round picks earlier: Xavier Omon, Cary Harris, Danny Batten, Chris White, Mark Asper, Dustin Hopkins, Tony Steward, Nick OLeary, Kolby Listenbee, Kevon Seymour and the aforementioned Tanner Vallejo. This wasnt cherry picking a 6th round scrub. It was painting a harsh reality of the type of talent that is acquired in the 6th round.

 

I would rather put up with Dareus personality than Vallejo and $2M in space. He wouldnt have been on my roster in 2019 but he would have been through 2018. It was a cost/benefit issue imo. I dont for one second believe that Dareus was influencing/poisoning anyone in that locker room. He was a goofball by all accounts. Even if he was lazy and apathetic that wasnt rubbing off on anyone else. They should have tried to maximize his talent or gotten enough value back to warrant shipping him out. If that wasnt the case, which it wasnt, he should have been on the roster until that happened. You had an out after 2018.

 

I agree. IMO, McDermott and his figurehead Beane are throwbacks to the Jauron years when Jauron and his figurehead Levy got rid of whatever talent the Bills had in order to replace them with JAGs and STers who "bought into their system". Watch it happen. We've already seen it happen with the WRs where talented WRs with NFL caliber skillsets were moved out to be replaced by other WRs with skillsets more in tune with McDermott/Beane's requirements ... whatever they might be. Dropping passes? Being unable to get open? Not being deep threats? Playing for cheap?

Edited October 28, 2017 by SoTier

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

 

I agree. IMO, McDermott and his figurehead Beane are throwbacks to the Jauron years when Jauron and his figurehead Levy got rid of whatever talent the Bills had in order to replace them with JAGs and STers who "bought into their system". Watch it happen. We've already seen it happen with the WRs where talented WRs with NFL caliber skillsets were moved out to be replaced by other WRs with skillsets more in tune with McDermott/Beane's requirements ... whatever they might be. Dropping passes? Being unable to get open? Not being deep threats? Playing for cheap?

 

.....now there's a REAL valid comparison.....Levy+Jauron versus McBeane+McD......sounds like fossil fuels versus solar........good Lord, as the world turns.............

[ALF]

Good summary article of money involved, link posted by hemma in another tread

 

http://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/29701/bills-save-54-million-in-cap-space-in-dumping-marcell-dareus-contract

[macaroni]

We better hope to God that Dareus doesn't play well. If this sixth rounder turns into a fifth, we lose our shot at Tom Brady.

 

 

but ..... but ..... BUT ..... That would mean we could get a QB that is possibly one round BETTER than Tom Brady ..... wait a minute .... isn't that Peterman??????

[26CornerBlitz]

Jaguars Acquire DT Marcell Dareus

Jaguars acquire DT Marcell Dareus from Buffalo Bills in exchange for sixth-round selection in 2018 NFL Draft; trade contingent on Dareus passing physical.

 

The Jaguars rank sixth in the NFL in total defense – second in pass defense and 31^st in run defense. They have allowed just over 192 yards a game rushing in their three losses this season.

[NoSaint]

 

Successful teams (in all aspects of life and sport) are built around people buying in. One bad apple CAN spoil the bunch. And when that bad apple is the highest paid player on the team, you better bet it hurts morale.

 

 

I really like Dareus and the Bills will miss him. I support the new regime but I hope the others can get it done!

Thats of course over simplified as you can scan most successful teams and find a share of guys that arent great at buying in.

 

The Seahawks at their peak had harvin and Tate and fights in the locker room - the giants had brandin Jacobs - the pats had a guy that was so bought in he was killing people on his off days.

 

That two guys noted to be among the strictest, and one a former coach of dareus, took this guy on should say to anyone watching that they think that dareus is a handful but that the right coaching can make a difference. We will see, and normally I hate that- but these guys know him well.