Scott7975 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) A lot of should and mays in this; nothing specifically says it must be done which is different entirely. Edited October 1, 2017 by The Jokeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 You are correct in that it is not written anywhere, but the fact that it is in a majority of American's minds is powerful enough to badly hurt the NFL. I doubt you are correct when you say a majority, but rather a minority who do have more "buying power." I realize you think you are on the side of right but it would be very easy to make a list of the times the majority were horribly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) it would be very easy to make a list of the times the majority were horribly wrong. You can't be serious. You argue even when I am wrong, I am right. The point is it is not about right or wrong, it is about money, and how people wish to spend it. Money talks and the rest walks. The NFL has a problem, and ultimately the black players themselves. Poor CK doesn't even have a job over this. Edited October 1, 2017 by Niagara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 You can't be serious. You argue even when I am wrong, I am right. The point is it is not about right or wrong, it is about money, and how people wish to spend it. Money talks and the rest walks. The NFL has a problem, and ultimately the black players themselves. So for you the almighty dollar trumps all? Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) So for you the almighty dollar trumps all? Sad. This has nothing to do with me, it is about the reality of the NFL, and its future. BTW, Cripple Creek is a good choice for a screen name. Edited October 1, 2017 by Niagara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 I doubt you are correct when you say a majority, but rather a minority who do have more "buying power." I realize you think you are on the side of right but it would be very easy to make a list of the times the majority were horribly wrong. I can think of an example of a time when the minority were horribly wrong ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 This has nothing to do with me, it is about the reality of the NFL, and its future. Why don't you take a moment to tell us what the future of the NFL will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) This has nothing to do with me, it is about the reality of the NFL, and its future. BTW, Cripple Creek is a good choice for a screen name. The NFL is one of the most powerful and successful businesses in the world. Its future continues to be bright. A bunch of yokels burning jerseys and cancelling their ticket is nothing to them. Is Cripple Creek a tribute that Kneel Young song? Edited October 1, 2017 by Gugny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 The NFL is one of the most powerful and successful businesses in the world. Sears, heavyweight boxing, NASCAR, and golf all have seen better times. The NFL Rams LA and Chargers experiment might be a mistake. NFL Europe is defunct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Sears, heavyweight boxing, NASCAR, and golf all have seen better times. The NFL Rams LA and Chargers experiment might be a mistake. NFL Europe is defunct. Is it doing worse than previous years? Yes. But it's still fine. And these protests have nothing to do with any kind of ratings decline. Ratings have been trending downward for years. Crappy teams/football (due to the CBA that doesn't allow them to practice enough) and crappy officiating is why ratings are down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 The average fan doesn't have to have a reason for anything. It is his feelings, and how he feels things are not always logical, but what is true is he can spend his money where ever he wishes. That is the rub. Sounds like a bunch of snowflakes. Maybe the "average fan" should toughen up and be less sensitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Sounds like a bunch of snowflakes. Maybe the "average fan" should toughen up and be less sensitive. Patriotism and love of country is non negotiable. It is a feeling. You either have it or you do not. The toughen up part is laughable, as in you are tough, but others are not. Is it doing worse than previous years? Yes. But it's still fine. But it's still fine. Are you kidding? Still fine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Patriotism and love of country is non negotiable. It is a feeling. You either have it or you do not. The toughen up part is laughable, as in you are tough, but others are not. But it's still fine. Are you kidding? Still fine? It's a multi-billion dollar business. Yes. They're fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Patriotism and love of country is non negotiable. It is a feeling. You either have it or you do not. The toughen up part is laughable, as in you are tough, but others are not. What makes "one have it?" Can you see the validity of the silent non-violent protests and still be as patriotic as someone who believes that the flag/country is being disrespected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 It's a multi-billion dollar business. Yes. They're fine. No, they are not fine. Good thing is the Bills probably will not have to build a domed stadium. The pressure will be off to do so. https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2017/09/29/the-nfl-has-a-bigger-problem-than-kneeling-employees-demographics-and-trends/#3cea58984efc Unfortunately, according to a recent CNN poll, while 56% of people under age 45 think the recent demonstrations are the right thing to do, 59% of those over 45 say the demonstrations are wrong. In its "core" NFL viewership folks don't like the kneeling, so it would appear the NFL should heed the President's advice. But, looking down the road, the NFL won't succeed unless it finds a way to attract a younger audience. Can you see the validity of the silent non-violent protests You are the one who can not comprehend the validity of a counter argument. As I said, Cripple Creek is an appropriate screen name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 You are the one who can not comprehend the validity of a counter argument. As I said, Cripple Creek is an appropriate screen name. What makes you say that? I haven't expressed an opinion one way or the other & you failed to answer the question (not that you have to). Can you see the validity of the silent non-violent protests and still be as patriotic as someone who believes that the flag/country is being disrespected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 What makes you say that? I haven't expressed an opinion one way or the other & you failed to answer the question (not that you have to). Can you see the validity of the silent non-violent protests and still be as patriotic as someone who believes that the flag/country is being disrespected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 If Hughes gets a stupid flag today, the boos are gonna fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 If Hughes gets a stupid flag today, the boos are gonna fly. In ATL? No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Is it doing worse than previous years? Yes. But it's still fine. And these protests have nothing to do with any kind of ratings decline. Ratings have been trending downward for years. Crappy teams/football (due to the CBA that doesn't allow them to practice enough) and crappy officiating is why ratings are down. Crappy officiating is the number one issue. It's the reason that I only watch Bills games. NFL games no longer flow well with all of the penalty stoppages. That's without even taking into accounts by all of the games that are deciding by the refs. The Rams vs 49ers Thursday night game was a great one, only to be decided by the refs. I felt like I'd be cheated out of three hours of my life. I'm more concerned with how the Pats can commit offensive interference every play than I am with this other BS. Biased/borderline crooked officiating ruins a sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 The NFL is one of the most powerful and successful businesses in the world. Its future continues to be bright. A bunch of yokels burning jerseys and cancelling their ticket is nothing to them. Is Cripple Creek a tribute that Kneel Young song? you mean The Band ? good wit though, R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 you mean The Band ? good wit though, R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 you mean The Band ? good wit though, R Fan, I might guess ? Go Bills ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 thurman thomas seems to have chosen a side - this doesn't seem like a coincidence: Thurman Thomas@thurmanthomas 9:28 AM - 1 Oct 2017 Repping my dawg @Iam_jerryhughes with my Dog #Henny my politics have me siding with hughes and thurman on this. i wonder if this means kelly and thurman have beef going forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Looks like it's a good thing Hughes is on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 thurman thomas seems to have chosen a side - this doesn't seem like a coincidence: Thurman Thomas@thurmanthomas 9:28 AM - 1 Oct 2017 Repping my dawg @Iam_jerryhughes with my Dog #Henny my politics have me siding with hughes and thurman on this. i wonder if this means kelly and thurman have beef going forward Why would they? Kelly and Hughes have already talked and respect each other's opinions. I'm sure Kelly and Thomas can too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 you mean The Band ? good wit though, R No, I meant Young. Cripple Creek Ferry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timtebow15 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 You are misinterpreting my comment as a complaint and I never said disgraceful. I understand freedom of expression but my point is there has got to be a better way. There is such a thing as flag etiquette and if it wasn't understood as disrespectful then why would the players use it as a protest in the first place? Here is just one section of flag etiquette: •All other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, or if applicable, remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. So it is not in my own mind which was a rude way to frame the discussion. Not everyone loves the military but you should respect what veterans have given in service to this country as represented by the flag. where is it written that kneeling for the anthem is a disgraceful, disrespectful act? (the correct answer is in your own mind) Sometimes the country needs a wake up call. There are so many in this country who (a) think there is no more racial equality problem, (b) doesn't care that there is a racial equality problem, or © is glad there is a racial equality problem because it benefits them personally. To me, the flag/anthem represents exactly what you say - the idealism of freedom, liberty and equality and to honor those who stood for them (especially but not excluded to the military). That's why I will always stand. But that flag/anthem doesn't mean the same to everyone. And even if it does, it doesn't prevent one from making a statement in this way when they find it necessary. Very well said. My point is they could find a way to make a statement that isn't as divisive as kneeling during the national anthem. Why would the "average white guy in the stands" feel "mad and disrespected" by the black players who are exercising their first amendment right? If they're mad then that's on them. I don't think we should make it about race. I am sure many people of all backgrounds are upset - not because they don't have the right but because they choose to use it in this way instead of another way of stating their concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timtebow15 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 How about people just stop being idiots. That's why they're offended by a simple protest. Because they can't understand the other side's point of view or they're too simple-minded to think outside the box. Villenueva (the Pittsburgh lineman) apologized because he did it the wrong way. Exactly what you're claiming the kneelers are doing. Did you even listen to him explain himself? He simply didn't understand the situation and was also a victim of peer pressure. You know what we did in the military when we heard the national anthem, but couldn't see the flag? We simply turned in the direction of the song and stood at attention. Simple. Logical. That's all Villanueva had to do and he realized that after the fact, so he apologized. He didn't mean to divide his team or contribute to such a stupid, stupid, stupid crusade. People can protest how they want. The flag represents SO many things to all different groups of people. Not just our vets. Or our immigrants. Or our immigrant vets. Our our politicians. Or our minority politicians. Or our young. Or our old. Holy hell. People need to just shut the !@#$ up, unless they have something worthwhile to say. So you just called me an idiot and told me to shut the hell up because I don't share your opinion and declared that Villenueva did something the wrong way. If everyone is allowed to protest (or not) how they want why does he have to apologize for "dividing" his team. This is my point, if you want to convince a larger group of your viewpoint and that something needs attention it is wise to do so in a way that doesn't upset people that happen to think differently about an important symbol than you do. Of course, people can protest how that want which is what makes this country special. But it doesn't mean they shouldn't find a more productive, effective way to do it. I don't think it is wise just to order people not to be offended. Perhaps finding a way not to offend is more helpful toward your cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 So you just called me an idiot and told me to shut the hell up because I don't share your opinion and declared that Villenueva did something the wrong way. If everyone is allowed to protest (or not) how they want why does he have to apologize for "dividing" his team. This is my point, if you want to convince a larger group of your viewpoint and that something needs attention it is wise to do so in a way that doesn't upset people that happen to think differently about an important symbol than you do. Of course, people can protest how that want which is what makes this country special. But it doesn't mean they shouldn't find a more productive, effective way to do it. I don't think it is wise just to order people not to be offended. Perhaps finding a way not to offend is more helpful toward your cause. You must have a guilty conscience, because his comments were not made toward you. Just stop being offended, already, will you??! John 3:16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 You must have a guilty conscience, because his comments were not made toward you. Just stop being offended, already, will you??! John 3:16 Uhhhhh, you mean Austin 3:16?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Because while on the sideline with the team he criticized its star player I don't think he did that while on the sidelines................He could have been anywhere and seen Shady do that, and said the same exact thing on the radio. I'm pretty sure he would have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 silence is deafening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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