Lurker Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 What am I missing? Ah, I see. Yes, I agree, the thread title is very misleading.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 At least JK doesnt speak in third person all the time anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Different era guys. Jim was raised that way, and that's good If the NFL is smart they will outlaw personal politics at the games. It's entertainment, not a political event. At the London game, nobody took a knee for God Save the Queen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Expressing ignorant opinions tends to make people sour on you, no matter how well you threw a football 25 years ago.Ignorant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Lost a lot of respect for #12 today. He's always been a simpleton country bumpkin, which was part of his charm, but he's just as prone to ignorance as anyone despite the adoration of an entire geography. Problem is, white American's love for this inanimate object is connected, rightly so or not, to the formation of this country by slave owners. It's creation and existence are embedded in whiteness and the actions of white racists. So any attempt by non-white's to challenge this symbol is a challenge to whiteness, but one conveniently veiled as "freedom" (tell that to the slaves who weren't free when the flag was created) and liberty. Nowhere is this mentality more engrained than the rural Appalachia that #12 grew up in and includes, geographically, the southern part of this state and where the seeds of this country's racism were planted. So Kelly's done to me. Don't care anymore what he says. Sadly, this division in our country being enjoyed by this bum in office is making us pick sides and distance ourselves from friends, family, and now athletes we liked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Just read that Villanueva's jersey is a hot item. The consumers seem to be speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Ignorant?Yes, Snowflake. Not all opinions are created equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Lost a lot of respect for #12 today. He's always been a simpleton country bumpkin, which was part of his charm, but he's just as prone to ignorance as anyone despite the adoration of an entire geography. Problem is, white American's love for this inanimate object is connected, rightly so or not, to the formation of this country by slave owners. It's creation and existence are embedded in whiteness and the actions of white racists. So any attempt by non-white's to challenge this symbol is a challenge to whiteness, but one conveniently veiled as "freedom" (tell that to the slaves who weren't free when the flag was created) and liberty. Nowhere is this mentality more engrained than the rural Appalachia that #12 grew up in and includes, geographically, the southern part of this state and where the seeds of this country's racism were planted. So Kelly's done to me. Don't care anymore what he says. Sadly, this division in our country being enjoyed by this bum in office is making us pick sides and distance ourselves from friends, family, and now athletes we liked. Wow. Your post above is filled with so much nonsensical drivel, it's both comical and breathtaking. And your hate for President Trump is duly noted. The fact is that about half the country thinks that the last President was an incompetent fool, and race baiter, who did nothing for racial unity in this country, even though he was half black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Sadly, this division in our country being enjoyed by this bum in office is making us pick sides and distance ourselves from friends, family, and now athletes we liked. You're part of the problem, and you don't even see it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Sadly, this division in our country being enjoyed by this bum in office is making us pick sides and distance ourselves from friends, family, and now athletes we liked. No one is making you distance yourself from friends or families other than you and your actions. Just that simple. All you have to do is tune it out. Stop clicking on links to stories by ego-centric sports writers trying to stir the pot for their own ideologies. Stop watching any news show that doesn't just report on news. Turn it out. Don't take the bait. If everyone did this, the entire BS story goes away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 The only reason that this "got out of hand" is because of the guy with the orange hair. The NFL has no leverage to order the players to stand. If they don't, then what ? Are they all fired? They do have the power to do that, actually. It's wildly impractical for lots of reasons. Don't pretend the NFL as an employer doesn't have certain rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Wow. Your post above is filled with so much nonsensical drivel, it's both comical and breathtaking. And your hate for President Trump is duly noted. The fact is that about half the country thinks that the last President was an incompetent fool, and race baiter, who did nothing for racial unity in this country, even though he was half black. yes, the white conservatives that couldn't stand that a black man was President Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Jim has the freedom to have his opinion and to express it. So does Shady. So do we all. I think Shady should have paid attention during the anthem. I don't like that he didn't. But I won't boycott the team or league over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 So, this is about JK now? This guy sure loves the spotlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 yes, the white conservatives that couldn't stand that a black man was President And this is why this issue will never die. Because there will forever be people too intellectually lazy to do anything other than repeat things they're told by people who NEED the country to be divided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 They do have the power to do that, actually. It's wildly impractical for lots of reasons. Don't pretend the NFL as an employer doesn't have certain rights.No, they do not have the power to stop it. The players are members of a labor union and their employment is subject to the terms of a collective bargaining agreement that prevents the owners from firing disciplining them for expressing their views in the ways that the protesters have done. But don't feel bad; that is a concept that our president apparently does not grasp, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) Exactly the way I feel. Shady could've used a little better judgment but these athletes have every right to express themselves. It was great to see the solidarity of the players expressed in different ways by different teams across the league. But stretching during the anthem wasn't one of them. Edited September 25, 2017 by LABILLBACKER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) Imo if you look a little deeper it's about him connecting with a community he's never felt a part of. He grew up in a white family in a well to do white suburb. His first exposure to black culture was in college and he saw he didn't fit in. So he joined an all black fraternity to the surprise of a lot of his teammates. His fraternity influenced a lot of his current beliefs and they have a history of activism. He felt different growing up as a person of color in an all white suburb, felt different in college not fitting in with his teammates, he just really wants to fit in somewhere. It's tough growing up an orphan feeling unwanted. Add to that feeling different your whole life being biracial and not fitting in with any one group. Makes you try harder to fit in. Or maybe he really just wants to change the world even though he has never been oppressed himself. There are a lot who feel that way. It isn't really just a black vs. white issue... it's a right vs wrong issue. I wish the Trump supporters would spend as much time trying to figure out the psychology and true motives of their hero, the president of the United States, as they would an 20-something NFL football player. Edited September 25, 2017 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 There are a lot who feel that way. It isn't really just a black and white issue... it's a right vs wrong issue. I wish the Trump-bots would spend as much time trying to figure out the psychology and true motives of their hero, as they would an 20-something NFL football player. Says the Soros-bot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 yes, the white conservatives that couldn't stand that a black man was President LMAO. Another total crock of crap. So I guess DT got elected only because of "white conservatives'" votes!? In reality, DT got more black and Hispanic votes than Romney did in 2012, and of course he got plenty of support from both independents and women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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