3rdand12 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Get a room. we have one reserved here at Hotel TBD issues Arnold ? the one thing I do like about them to your credit and what you're saying is his footwork. He seldom is in the wrong place with his footwork and balance it's just he doesn't have what it takes to be quick enough to get there. he relies upon his strength and his ability to effectively b an anchor If he can do that, and he looks headed that way, i will be pleased. Not much for the picked #. Just want a starter who can hold his own. His ceiling is truly yet to be defined though. I see what most of us do maybe, but a bullrush and good foot and hand work could earn him respect . I am sure he will improve. What do you think of his instincts and discipline though ? General question for all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 Your hypocrisy is stunning, and I think you need to review your recent postings before making the claim that you rely on real evidence for your views. You post good stuff every now and again, but your will to tear other posters down (using words like clueless, or to suggest that others get a clue, or that your views are somehow intellectually superior to those who have different takes than you), or to post animated gifs as barbs, or to have the audacity to claim that others are treating you badly -- are all evidence that you're just another dude, just like the rest of us, who posts on a message board. Unlike BADOL I've actually provided real statistics and videos to support my statements in this thread. And I couldn't possibly care less what you think. I don't remember a single post from the poster 'NeckBeard'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Unlike BADOL I've actually provided real statistics and videos to support my statements in this thread. And I couldn't possibly care less what you think. I don't remember a single post from the poster 'NeckBeard'. Ha ha you think a single snap constitutes as evidence to make any kind of conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 Ha ha you think a single snap constitutes as evidence to make any kind of conclusion? Conclusions? This thread was never about providing conclusions about Shaq Lawson. But to answer your question - yes, 1 is greater than 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Unlike BADOL I've actually provided real statistics and videos to support my statements in this thread. And I couldn't possibly care less what you think. I don't remember a single post from the poster 'NeckBeard'. Lawson did have a nice rush, great push on contact and nice bend as you mentioned. Interesting it was from against a LT though. I give him points for that play for sure. we can all expect Lawson to continue to improve, and the Kelsey comparison is questionable. Love Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Perhaps more debate worthy is what kind of production would the Bills need from Shaq to honor the 5th year option. Does a solid edge setter get that kind of money in today's NFL? He wasn't picked by McBeane so there is no blame to be placed for the selection. I'm more interested in seeing how/if they can turn him into a player worth keeping. He seems to have a better attitude that most the other guys that have been sent packing or soon will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 #1 highest run stop percentage among edge defenders in Week 1 How long into the season before people stop sleeping on this guy? He was an exceptional run defender in college, not surprising... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Perhaps more debate worthy is what kind of production would the Bills need from Shaq to honor the 5th year option. Does a solid edge setter get that kind of money in today's NFL? He wasn't picked by McBeane so there is no blame to be placed for the selection. I'm more interested in seeing how/if they can turn him into a player worth keeping. He seems to have a better attitude that most the other guys that have been sent packing or soon will be. It will be more worthy of debate, when we get to his 3rd year or so. Let's take what we can get for now. He ain't no A. Maybin granted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Perhaps more debate worthy is what kind of production would the Bills need from Shaq to honor the 5th year option. Does a solid edge setter get that kind of money in today's NFL? He wasn't picked by McBeane so there is no blame to be placed for the selection. I'm more interested in seeing how/if they can turn him into a player worth keeping. He seems to have a better attitude that most the other guys that have been sent packing or soon will be. Yeah that's an important point.......your first round picks should be for the kind of talents you can't find or can't afford in FA. Those are your $15M+ players........your cornerstones. IMO you shouldn't use an early round pick on a player that you wouldn't pay market value to if they reach their ceiling. Been too many of those over the past 17 years. I thought they had kinda' turned the corner on this problem but Shaq and Ragnuts were a step back in the name of trying to patch hole with guys who had low ceilings but appeared to be ready to contribute right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Yeah that's an important point.......your first round picks should be for the kind of talents you can't find or can't afford in FA. Those are your $15M+ players........your cornerstones. IMO you shouldn't use an early round pick on a player that you wouldn't pay market value to if they reach their ceiling. Been too many of those over the past 17 years. I thought they had kinda' turned the corner on this problem but Shaq and Ragnuts were a step back in the name of trying to patch hole with guys who had low ceilings but appeared to be ready to contribute right away. So if he is a 10 sack player by the end of the season while still providing excellent run support does your opinion change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 So if he is a 10 sack player by the end of the season while still providing excellent run support does your opinion change? I'd bet it depends how impactful his actual pass rush is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 So if he is a 10 sack player by the end of the season while still providing excellent run support does your opinion change? If he is a 10 sack player 2 of the next 3 seasons they will pick up the 5th year option. So then Badol's view would change because he is saying your 1st round picks sbould be guys you are willing to pay when the time comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 If he is a 10 sack player 2 of the next 3 seasons they will pick up the 5th year option. So then Badol's view would change because he is saying your 1st round picks sbould be guys you are willing to pay when the time comes.The NFL is constantly changing. I don't think this is always the case anymore. When teams are able to find starters deeper in the draft , a team can forgo overpaying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 It was the Jets.. now Carolina was playing the other worst team in the NFL so no one knows who is going to win. Don't forget Carolina was 6-10 last year to our 7-9. This is a toss up game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Lawsons been a terror this game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpoolkev Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Can't really give Whaley any credit. Lawson was by far the highest rated player on the board when we picked. He only fell that far due to the shoulder. that's why I commend Whaley he knew all he had to do is get the shoulder repaired for the long term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 If he is a 10 sack player 2 of the next 3 seasons they will pick up the 5th year option. So then Badol's view would change because he is saying your 1st round picks sbould be guys you are willing to pay when the time comes. How is that a changed view? That's the original view. You use your first round picks on high impact players in the passing game. The fact that they didn't do that with the Shaq selection makes it more likely that he will not be retained Shaq was his normal self today.......no pass rush.......looked good on a couple plays where he was totally unblocked though. Lot of excellent performances by Bills DL in the pass rush game but none were Shaq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 18, 2017 Author Share Posted September 18, 2017 Shaq was his normal self today.......no pass rush.......looked good on a couple plays where he was totally unblocked though. Lot of excellent performances by Bills DL in the pass rush game but none were Shaq. This statement is false, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 How is that a changed view? That's the original view. You use your first round picks on high impact players in the passing game. The fact that they didn't do that with the Shaq selection makes it more likely that he will not be retained Shaq was his normal self today.......no pass rush.......looked good on a couple plays where he was totally unblocked though. Lot of excellent performances by Bills DL in the pass rush game but none were Shaq. what game were you watching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Reich Thing Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Shaq and Jerry were absolute animals yesterday!! So impressed with the both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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