Bronxbomber21 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 This has to be a NFL record for total trades in a single off season. Leading the NFL has to be the Buffalo Bills new front office... 1. The trade down for White & 1st in 2018 2. The trade up for Zay Jones 3. The trade up for Deon Dawkins 4. Watkins deal 5. Darby deal 6. C.Jones deal 7. Ragland deal 8. Clay deal Plus is Beane setting a new trend for player for player trades? I don't remember seeing so many players for player deals in resent memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToughII Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 This has to be a NFL record for total trades in a single off season. Leading the NFL has to be the Buffalo Bills new front office... 1. The trade down for White & 1st in 2018 2. The trade up for Zay Jones 3. The trade up for Deon Dawkins 4. Watkins deal 5. Darby deal 6. C.Jones deal 7. Ragland deal 8. Clay deal Plus is Beane setting a new trend for player for player trades? I don't remember seeing so many players for player deals in resent memory. You have to be drastic when the talent is way over hyped and under performing. Get them off the roster, but get something if you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 You have to be drastic when the talent is way over hyped and under performing. Get them off the roster, but get something if you can. The Patriots* way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 You have to be drastic when the talent is way over hyped and under performing. Get them off the roster, but get something if you can. Best bbmb poster. Next to teef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 You have to be drastic when the talent is way over hyped and under performing. Get them off the roster, but get something if you can. We had a top 5 defense and top 10 offense within 3 years. The talent was fine. The coaches sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 We had a top 5 defense and top 10 offense within 3 years. The talent was fine. The coaches sucked. I hate to take this "there," but had Whaley been able to choose his own HC, rather than have they Ryan Bros. shoved down his throat - he'd likely have been in the running for exec. of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 You have to be drastic when the talent is way over hyped and under performing. Get them off the roster, but get something if you can. That about sums up our "talent." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) We had a top 5 defense and top 10 offense within 3 years. The talent was fine. The coaches sucked.Hah! With the exception of Watkins and Gilmore, the core players are still here from these awesome teams with "top 10" and "top 5" defense and offense, respectively. For a team that's sucked for so long, it's incomprehensible the Beane and McDermott criticism for actually being proactive and building. Again, may not work, but at least it's a a semblance of a plan. Smh. Edited September 2, 2017 by dubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam727 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I'm starting to think they are trying to get every player Whaley drafted off the roster as fast as they can so that in two years if they aren't performing well they can make a stronger case for blaming it on the previous regime. That's 5 Whaley players traded this off-season all under the age of 24, all playing on rookie contracts, three of which were starting last year and one that we just used 3 picks to draft only one year ago.. (And it was almost 6 players because it seems like they were trying to move on from Miller too except that Ducasse has been terrible) If we were getting rid of players in their 30s or players with bloated contracts I'd completely understand it, but I don't understand building for the future by getting rid of all of the 22, 23, 24 year old talent on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 We had a top 5 defense and top 10 offense within 3 years. The talent was fine. The coaches sucked. Yup I hate to take this "there," but had Whaley been able to choose his own HC, rather than have they Ryan Bros. shoved down his throat - he'd likely have been in the running for exec. of the year. Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I'm starting to think they are trying to get every player Whaley drafted off the roster as fast as they can so that in two years if they aren't performing well they can make a stronger case for blaming it on the previous regime. That's 5 Whaley players traded this off-season all under the age of 24, all playing on rookie contracts, three of which were starting last year and one that we just used 3 picks to draft only one year ago.. (And it was almost 6 players because it seems like they were trying to move on from Miller too except that Ducasse has been terrible) If we were getting rid of players in their 30s or players with bloated contracts I'd completely understand it, but I don't understand building for the future by getting rid of all of the 22, 23, 24 year old talent on the team. Me too and keeping players has been on many teams as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 THE ONLY RECORD IVE SEEN THEM SET IS THEYVE BEEN THE FASTEST FRONT OFFICE TO SET THE STADIUM WALL ON FIRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I'm starting to think they are trying to get every player Whaley drafted off the roster as fast as they can so that in two years if they aren't performing well they can make a stronger case for blaming it on the previous regime. That's 5 Whaley players traded this off-season all under the age of 24, all playing on rookie contracts, three of which were starting last year and one that we just used 3 picks to draft only one year ago.. (And it was almost 6 players because it seems like they were trying to move on from Miller too except that Ducasse has been terrible) If we were getting rid of players in their 30s or players with bloated contracts I'd completely understand it, but I don't understand building for the future by getting rid of all of the 22, 23, 24 year old talent on the team. Good post. The new regime can buy a lot of time because they inherited such a "mess" when it really was a 8-8 team that would be a playoff contender with a franchise qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) When Carroll took over the Seahawks they literally had over 100 player transactions in his first year on the job. They took the roster, shook it, shook it some more....and contunued to shake the **** out of it unTil they built a Super Bowl Champion. You'd think Beane and McDermott were breaking up the early 90's Bills with some fans reactions, Edited September 2, 2017 by Binghamton Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 When Carroll took over ver the Seahawks they literally had over 100 player transactions in his first year on the job. They took the roster, shook it, shook it some more....and contunued to shake the **** out of it unTil they built a Super Bowl Champion. You'd think Beane and McDermott were breaking up the early 90's Bills with some fans reactions, But I understand feelings of our fanbase. Losing streak has taken a toll on everyone.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) But I understand feelings of our fanbase. Losing streak has taken a toll on everyone..Like I said though....he isn't exactly breaking up the 85 Bears. I don't know if this will work or not but I am certainly interested. Edited September 2, 2017 by Binghamton Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I'm starting to think they are trying to get every player Whaley drafted off the roster as fast as they can so that in two years if they aren't performing well they can make a stronger case for blaming it on the previous regime. That's 5 Whaley players traded this off-season all under the age of 24, all playing on rookie contracts, three of which were starting last year and one that we just used 3 picks to draft only one year ago.. (And it was almost 6 players because it seems like they were trying to move on from Miller too except that Ducasse has been terrible) If we were getting rid of players in their 30s or players with bloated contracts I'd completely understand it, but I don't understand building for the future by getting rid of all of the 22, 23, 24 year old talent on the team. young talent is what will essentially be the "core" of this team. there is something there that did not gel with what the coaching staff/front office believe that core should be made of. whether it be skillset, motivation, love of the game, personality, work ethic,...who knows? but they are definitely rebuilding this team. hopefully when the dust settles, there will be a steady foundation that will last for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie's Bills Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I'm starting to think they are trying to get every player Whaley drafted off the roster as fast as they can so that in two years if they aren't performing well they can make a stronger case for blaming it on the previous regime. That's 5 Whaley players traded this off-season all under the age of 24, all playing on rookie contracts, three of which were starting last year and one that we just used 3 picks to draft only one year ago.. (And it was almost 6 players because it seems like they were trying to move on from Miller too except that Ducasse has been terrible) If we were getting rid of players in their 30s or players with bloated contracts I'd completely understand it, but I don't understand building for the future by getting rid of all of the 22, 23, 24 year old talent on the team. Yea it's bizarre. The Miller/Ducasse situation is a glaring concern when it comes to this FO's team building priorities. We had a top 5 defense and top 10 offense within 3 years. The talent was fine. The coaches sucked. This. In hindsight probably should have promoted Schwartz instead of getting Rex and switching schemes... again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 When Carroll took over ver the Seahawks they literally had over 100 player transactions in his first year on the job. They took the roster, shook it, shook it some more....and contunued to shake the **** out of it unTil they built a Super Bowl Champion. You'd think Beane and McDermott were breaking up the early 90's Bills with some fans reactions, If McDermott had built one of the greatest college teams ever, it might be easier to trust him. Our coach is coming off leading the 21st ranked defense, worse than the "awful"Rex defense. I want to believe but it's really hard at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 If we were getting rid of players in their 30s or players with bloated contracts I'd completely understand it, but I don't understand building for the future by getting rid of all of the 22, 23, 24 year old talent on the team. Let's not act like the players they are getting in return are old. The fans going into hysterics over losing Seymour are way over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 If McDermott had built one of the greatest college teams ever, it might be easier to trust him. Our coach is coming off leading the 21st ranked defense, worse than the "awful"Rex defense. I want to believe but it's really hard at this point. Like I said, people are acting like they are breaking up a juggernaut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Like I said, people are acting like they are breaking up a juggernaut. Bills fans are used to the warm 7-9 blanket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Like I said, people are acting like they are breaking up a juggernaut. Right, since they didn't make the playoffs, they should give away talent like Sammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Bills fans are used to the warm 7-9 blanket Haha. Right? People need therapy here. The Bills are trading marginal talent for other marginal talent. Let's re-evaluate in a couple year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Like I said though....he isn't exactly breaking up the 85 Bears. I don't know if this will work or not but I am certainly interested. Agreed. A whole lot of underachievers (for whatever reasons) are gone. None of these players were rock solid or untouchable, all were questionable. When in doubt, ship them out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Bills fans are used to the warm 7-9 blanket 5-11 will be so much cooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 5-11 will be so much cooler. You know what would be best? 2-14! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) Right, since they didn't make the playoffs, they should give away talent like Sammy.Why is it so hard to come to grips with that they had no intentions on extending Watkins? Sammy certainly is talented but the best ability is availability. It's not like Jordan Matthews is chopped liver. You'd think they came out and announced they decided to play with 10 players on offense after those trades. Edited September 2, 2017 by Binghamton Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 You know what would be best? 2-14! I agree 100% but he was extremely stupid to sign Tyrod back. We are going to end up at 5-11 and get the Losman of this good qb class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 (edited) I agree 100% but he was extremely stupid to sign Tyrod back. We are going to end up at 5-11 and get the Losman of this good qb class. I wouldn't be so sure. Tyrod looks like garbage. Edited September 2, 2017 by joesixpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Maybe it's just me but I see this as a rebuild on the fly more than a tear down. I will be shocked if the Bills don't at least achieve last years record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 This is what a tank looks like. Small fire at first then the barn is ablaze. The Clay trade look as as bad as the Watkins trade. Why ttrade your #3 corner for a returner? A 7th rd pick is worth Zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToughII Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Best bbmb poster. Next to teef. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I hate to take this "there," but had Whaley been able to choose his own HC, rather than have they Ryan Bros. shoved down his throat - he'd likely have been in the running for exec. of the year. I just busted out laughing. Whaley exec of the year? Lmao he was awful. Completely awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I just busted out laughing. Whaley exec of the year? Lmao he was awful. Completely awful. Yeah, he didn't make blockbusters like Sammy for EJ Gaines!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 I hate to take this "there," but had Whaley been able to choose his own HC, rather than have they Ryan Bros. shoved down his throat - he'd likely have been in the running for exec. of the year. Sadly, we will never know what would have happened had he been allowed to pick his own coach. I didn't hate Whaley, in fact thought he had a good eye for talent, but he always had to compromise with a HC (including in the draft room). A lot of this was handled less than ideally, but I'll just keep looking forward. At least now we have people who seem firmly tied together and on the same page - so we know who to credit and who to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Yeah, he didn't make blockbusters like Sammy for EJ Gaines!! Was that the trade? Could've sworn there was more too it than that. 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Yeah, he didn't make blockbusters like Sammy for EJ Gaines!! Aren't you in the least bit intrigued with what is going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Right, since they didn't make the playoffs, they should give away talent like Sammy. Where are we going to get those 430 yards this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 young talent is what will essentially be the "core" of this team. there is something there that did not gel with what the coaching staff/front office believe that core should be made of. whether it be skillset, motivation, love of the game, personality, work ethic,...who knows? but they are definitely rebuilding this team. hopefully when the dust settles, there will be a steady foundation that will last for years to come. Agree here. I think they're looking for a certain attitude, and feel they can instill that attitude better with picking "their own" people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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