JohnBonhamRocks Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 100% believe Patriots* organization is Winning Culture Exhibit A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Of course it does. 100% Most people have jumped around to at least a few different jobs during their career. If you had any kind of awareness to your surroundings, you would've noticed that each workplace had a different culture and it affected the employees. Its the same thing in football. Its the same thing with any group of people that work together towards a common goal. Culture affects attitude. Attitude affects performance. Agreed. Wholeheartedly. I've had the privilege of leading winning work teams and the chore of taking over losing work teams. Usually the difference is more about culture and mindset than talent. In a winning culture, people set hire standards, sacrifice more, commit more, help their teammates more but at the same time hold them more accountable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) . All of them have or had culture. You think Manning or Brady didn't establish culture? You have no idea what you're talking about. No they didn't establish a culture. They are just better than eveyrone else at the QB position. Is the key to finding the next Bills QB finding one who can bring culture or finding one who is better than most? Why is it in all the examples i provided the Culture instantly changed when the talent level did? its quite strange, no? Edited August 17, 2017 by CountDorkula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I believe the culture thing is something to promote so long it's not all faith based. I get the vibe somewhat that there is some religious undertones here with the staff. This is fine so long as the staff and players are pushing faith in themselves and the system. In the military we call it resilience. Culture should be changed to breed hard work, attention to detail, and a drive to do what it takes to win above all else. The military is a good example. As a former army officer, I can say we talked about this stuff a lot. The military take regular guys & gals off the street and creates high-performing organizations characterized by "hard work, attention to detail, and a drive to do what it takes to win above all else." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I vote "no such thing as a winning culture" - I am a veteran of many tedious management seminars of the "Good to Great" variety, preaching about how truly great companies are able to have sustained success by building that elusive winning culture. The "Good to Great" companies highlighted by business guru Jim Collins included some that are still winning today: Kroger, Walgreens, Wells Fargo (although their recent scandals make you wonder for how long). They also included: Circuit City (liquidated), Fannie Mae (rescued by the feds), Pitney Bowes (bulldozed by the end of the mail metering machine). So there's something very circular about the reasoning: companies (including sports franchises) succeed, so we must say they have that magic "winning culture" thing going on. Then they don't succeed anymore and we say they've lost it. Phil Jackson leaves and Kobe gets old? Goodbye winning culture. Belichick and Brady retire? I'd be shocked to find the continuation of some Robert Krafty "winning culture." So to me there's nothing abstract and mystical about it. If McD and Beane have a decent plan and the Pegulas have patience and a bit of draft luck, bingo! Winning culture. If any of those things go wrong, we're still the same old Bills, mired in our losing culture. It's all too easy for sportswriters, all this "culture" stuff ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 Agreed. Wholeheartedly. I've had the privilege of leading winning work teams and the chore of taking over losing work teams. Usually the difference is more about culture and mindset than talent. In a winning culture, people set hire standards, sacrifice more, commit more, help their teammates more but at the same time hold them more accountable. Its amazing, from what i have seen, you weed out the less talented, you improve the overall performance of the company. Did you change culture, or did you change talent level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 No they didn't establish a culture. They are just better than eveyrone else at the QB position. Is the key to finding the next Bills QB finding one who can bring culture or finding one who is better than most? Why is it in all the examples i provided the Culture instantly changed when the talent level did? its quite strange, no? I can say in my work world (which has included civilian businesses and combat military units), often changing the culture dramatically improves the results - without changing the talent level. I can't imagine that wouldn't be true in football though there have probably been cases where success was attributed to a change in culture or leadership when really it was more a change in talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 The military is a good example. As a former army officer, I can say we talked about this stuff a lot. The military take regular guys & gals off the street and creates high-performing organizations characterized by "hard work, attention to detail, and a drive to do what it takes to win above all else." So are you to say the bills are not doing whatever it takes to win against New England? Or is it that Tom Brady is better than every other QB the Bills have trotted out in the past 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Has anyone ever seen a losing team brag about their culture? Winning makes everything better. Having talent, competent coaches and the right schemes to help win creates a good environment. Culture is just another one of those buzz words losing teams likes to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Of course it does. 100% Most people have jumped around to at least a few different jobs during their career. If you had any kind of awareness to your surroundings, you would've noticed that each workplace had a different culture and it affected the employees. Its the same thing in football. Its the same thing with any group of people that work together towards a common goal. Culture affects attitude. Attitude affects performance. This. We ALL deal with "organization culture" everyday at work, and it truly makes the difference between make or break. It's the main reason I left my last job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 No they didn't establish a culture. They are just better than eveyrone else at the QB position. Is the key to finding the next Bills QB finding one who can bring culture or finding one who is better than most? Why is it in all the examples i provided the Culture instantly changed when the talent level did? its quite strange, no?[/quotyou are delusional. Winners change cultures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Not if culture means you think you can win only with Boy Scouts. The great teams realize you need the talent of many bad people to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) I can say in my work world (which has included civilian businesses and combat military units), often changing the culture dramatically improves the results - without changing the talent level. I can't imagine that wouldn't be true in football though there have probably been cases where success was attributed to a change in culture or leadership when really it was more a change in talent. Here's a typical piece of analysis about the value of a stable winning culture from old Buffalonian Gregg Easterbrook: http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/081021 The Tennesse Titans! They had the magic dust back in 2008, or so it seemed ... "the secret of Tennessee's success is stability. Jeff Fisher has been coach of the Oilers/Titans since 1994, the longest tenure of any current NFL headmaster. Defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz has been with Tennessee since 1999, first as linebackers coach and then running the defense. Schwartz is one of the NFL's underappreciated figures: A smart guy who graduated from Georgetown University, Schwartz not only does a fabulous job but also belongs to that small club of NFL coaches who read the New York Times and books about intellectual affairs. Offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger is in his sixth year with the Titans, though his tenure wasn't continuous. Offensive line coach Mike Munchak has been coaching with the Oilers/Titans since 1994, when Fisher arrived. Prior to that, Munchak enjoyed a Hall of Fame career with the Oilers from 1982 to '93. Others on the coaching staff are also long-term employees." Edited August 17, 2017 by The Frankish Reich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 No they didn't establish a culture. They are just better than eveyrone else at the QB position. Is the key to finding the next Bills QB finding one who can bring culture or finding one who is better than most? Why is it in all the examples i provided the Culture instantly changed when the talent level did? its quite strange, no? Kraft and Belichick had been re-building the Patriot's culture since they took over the team. Brady benefited from that early on, and then became the main proponent of that culture once he became successful. Talent helps, but it's not the only thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskibreth Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Has anyone ever seen a losing team brag about their culture? Winning makes everything better. Having talent, competent coaches and the right schemes to help win creates a good environment. Culture is just another one of those buzz words losing teams likes to use. Because lack of the right culture may be why they're losing teams. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure they talk about "the Patriot Way" quite a bit. Kraft and Belichick had been re-building the Patriot's culture since they took over the team. Brady benefited from that early on, and then became the main proponent of that culture once he became successful. Talent helps, but it's not the only thing. And furthermore, when Belichick and Brady exit, they might have a very hard time hanging on to that same culture they're used to. it may be a dramatic change for the Patriots in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Absolutely, you can't miss the playoffs for 17 straight years without having a losing culture from top to bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 So when Buffalo shut out NE 19-0 was that because of a lapse in culture or a massive talent downgrade. They went 3-1 in that span homeboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Most people will give more effort if they feel appreciated and less if not. A simple " Thank you" or " atta boy" from a boss or fellow worker can do wonders for a persons attitude. When a team becomes infected with an appreciation for a high standard it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Leaders show you what to do while bosses tell you what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 So when Buffalo shut out NE 19-0 was that because of a lapse in culture or a massive talent downgrade. The Bills were playing strong football at that point of the season, and if you want to wholly dismiss Brissett, look at what he did to playoff-bound Houston the week before. No one is saying that teams with great cultures don't lose games, even to lesser teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I believe in it but tired of hearing the term. Just about every coach comes in here talks about changing the culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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