loyal2dagame Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Billsmovinup, Why all the hate for public employees? You choose where you work just as they did. Imo, public money should never be used to build stadiums. Im OK with tax breaks after the fact, but the billionaire owners seek way too much public aid to run their business. Im all for a new stadium, when it's time, (which it isn't), but it should be funded by attendees of the stadium, not the public at large. Not for a place that is used 10 to 15 times a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Need more state tax $$ for a new stadium? Drug test all welfare people. More than enough for one. Sad but true. That will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Need more state tax $$ for a new stadium? Drug test all welfare people. More than enough for one. Sad but true. That will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) If we brought the salaries and benefits packages of State government employees in line with the privste sector we could afford to build ten stadiums. One of my nephews close friends doubled his annual income as a court reporter when he got a state job through a political connection. My best friends wife got a f-----g boob job for free because her govt job has a cosmetic insurance rider. Funny but neither of those situations benefitted me. As far as Im concered they can build eight stadiums around here. One for each home game. At least I get something for my tax money with that. why be mad at them??i think they were actually smart, life is a crapshoot.. i have a very comfortable pension, it was a choice i made, your verbiage is VERY caustic and not well thought out ..and as always.. JMHO Edited July 15, 2017 by dwight in philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 why be mad at them??i think they were actually smart, life is a crapshoot.. i have a very comfortable pension, it was a choice i made, your verbiage is VERY caustic and not well thought out ..and as always.. JMHO Exactly. Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence with many people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 why be mad at them??i think they were actually smart, life is a crapshoot.. i have a very comfortable pension, it was a choice i made, your verbiage is VERY caustic and not well thought out ..and as always.. JMHO Exactly. You want a government job? Go get one. If not, organize and try to bargain for better benefits that you seem to desire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Somebody has to pay! The Rockpile was an old WPA project from the 30's Depression era. So was the Aud. So, even then, the taxpayers were paying. If you look at where the other pro teams were playing, at that time, they were all financed by public funds. The NFL will soon recognize that they are running out of "expansion" options. Buffalo is blessed to have the Pegula's because there are not very many places our size where locals have that kind of money, and are willing to step up to buy a franchise. There will; be no new stadium in Buffalo till the most recent bonds are fully amortized, another 10 or so years. New York state could step up, at the right time to offer financial incentives for whatever stadium the future holds. Ditto the NFL. But without that, we could be in New Era for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) Exactly. Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence with many people. Exactly. You want a government job? Go get one. If not, organize and try to bargain for better benefits that you seem to desire. well said Edited July 15, 2017 by dwight in philly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Need more state tax $$ for a new stadium? Drug test all welfare people. More than enough for one. Sad but true. That will never happen. So take money from people on welfare and give it to billionaire owners who peddle entertainment? Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Exactly. You want a government job? Go get one. If not, organize and try to bargain for better benefits that you seem to desire. OR, we vote in politicians who don't allow public employees to scam us of our tax dollars, how about that? However, the above is unlikely because all politicians are scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 This is an argument that can not be won..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 taxpayers have been subsidizing stadiums since the Roman empire. It hasn't been an issue yet because someone has eventually paid the bills but now with states and cities going bankrupt we can't assume the status quo will continue. Losing the NFL would devastate places like Buffalo and GB whereas losing it didn't phase LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 What spoils exactly? The NFL is a big sham. The Bills are not so important that tax payers should pay a dime towards a new stadium. People who think that's the case are delusional and drinking the NFL Kool-Aid IMO. Drink or drowned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 These same threads pop up all the time. If you asked many people they would prefer that every tax dollar be spread around back to all the people that paid, and did not pay, them. The problem with that is that you wouldn't get anything back larger than a monthly allowance. As someone else said...no parks, museums, roads, etc. Should the United States not have built the Washington Monument? An NFL Stadium is far more than a playground for billionaires. And being an NFL City gets Buffalo far more national (and international) exposure than Des Moines Iowa will ever get. There is indeed a soft marketing value to being home to a major league sports franchise. yeah, and when the team starts winning again (?) that marketing value will actually be positive rather than negative... go bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 So take money from people on welfare and give it to billionaire owners who peddle entertainment? Awesome. They are not taking from people on welfare and 'giving' it to a billionaire! First of all the goal should be to have LESS people on welfare. One way to start is with a large construction project that would actually employ some of those people. Second the billionaire doesn't get to take the stadium with him when he leaves! It's a building. It stays in the City where it is built. And, if you hadn't noticed Ralph Wilson didn't get to take the Stadium anywhere....he's DEAD! Finally, the current stadium, that everyone is so romantic about, cost $21 million when it was built. Looking back, that sounds like a great investment to me! As will the new Stadium be 40 years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 The current Guns n Roses tour (2016-2017) is the 5th highest-grossing tour ... ever. And in 1987, they weren't headliners. And U2 just played a sold out concert at Gillete Stadium less than a month ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 They are not taking from people on welfare and 'giving' it to a billionaire! First of all the goal should be to have LESS people on welfare. One way to start is with a large construction project that would actually employ some of those people. Second the billionaire doesn't get to take the stadium with him when he leaves! It's a building. It stays in the City where it is built. And, if you hadn't noticed Ralph Wilson didn't get to take the Stadium anywhere....he's DEAD! Finally, the current stadium, that everyone is so romantic about, cost $21 million when it was built. Looking back, that sounds like a great investment to me! As will the new Stadium be 40 years from now. I assume that this is a joke so I will only say that the goal of getting people off of welfare should be to get them good jobs, not find any excuse possible to kick them off. And redistributing this money to billionaires for their personal profit is so undemocratic, mean spirited and devoid of morals that it is difficult to see how anyone could say it in seriousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 I assume that this is a joke so I will only say that the goal of getting people off of welfare should be to get them good jobs, not find any excuse possible to kick them off. And redistributing this money to billionaires for their personal profit is so undemocratic, mean spirited and devoid of morals that it is difficult to see how anyone could say it in seriousness. You clearly don't understand the use of the word 'redistributing'. A Stadium is a construction project...not a hand out. The labor and materials are all purchased from local, private companies. Those companies employ people and purchase products. None of that money goes to the Billionaire. And while yes, it probably increases the value of the Pegula's investment, the stadium itself stays in WNY if they ever sell the team. I assume that this is a joke so I will only say that the goal of getting people off of welfare should be to get them good jobs, not find any excuse possible to kick them off. And redistributing this money to billionaires for their personal profit is so undemocratic, mean spirited and devoid of morals that it is difficult to see how anyone could say it in seriousness. By the way, the "job training" that Liberals are always screaming for works just as well when those jobs are in the construction industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) My vote has always been to keep the Ralph and just upgrade it. We go to a game each year as we live in FL, and if they just had some more concession options and a little state money in 2022 maintain the building. keep the Ralph. area can't afford any more... poor city, poor county. let it go. Buff ain't Vegas. ain't L.A. ain't Cleveland, for crying out loud. the Ralph is fine. keep upgrading it as MGK says... Edited July 17, 2017 by jmcraig44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted July 17, 2017 Share Posted July 17, 2017 (edited) You clearly don't understand the use of the word 'redistributing'. A Stadium is a construction project...not a hand out. The labor and materials are all purchased from local, private companies. Those companies employ people and purchase products. None of that money goes to the Billionaire. And while yes, it probably increases the value of the Pegula's investment, the stadium itself stays in WNY if they ever sell the team. By the way, the "job training" that Liberals are always screaming for works just as well when those jobs are in the construction industry. You are a troll. Take this nonsense to PPP, if they will listen to it. Edited July 17, 2017 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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