BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 @lukeeasterling #NFL #NFLDraft #CFB #Sooners #Bills | Oklahoma QB Baker Mayfield draws comparisons to Tyrod Taylor usat.ly/2swswzz via @thedraftwire https://usat.ly/2swswzz Off topic, but do you know anything about this James Clark fellow (WR) who transferred from OSU to VT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) Off topic, but do you know anything about this James Clark fellow (WR) who transferred from OSU to VT?yessir! He just graduated, really good kid/character. Couldn't get on the field here, but plenty of talent. Just lost in the shuffle. They helped him find a place to transfer. Edited June 13, 2017 by YoloinOhio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 yessir! He just graduated, really good kid/character. Couldn't get on the field here, but plenty of talent. Just lost in the shuffle. They helped him find a place to transfer. Well we lost our top 2 receiving targets, so here's to him playing up to his talent level! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Well we lost our top 2 receiving targets, so here's to him playing up to his talent level! Thanks!he is a 4-star, and a speed guy- he ran track as well. I think he will have a shot at being productive, given an opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 ....exactly......Wrecks was a useless buffoon who had to go (NEVER should have been hired)....Marrone, despite his good traits and bad (rook HC though), was offered an extension by Pegula....4 years, $19.6 million.....Whaley and Brandon weren't warm 'n fuzzy with his General Patton like style especially when he wanted them at all TC meetings, some after practice and dinner until 9+PM at night.....so he took the $4 mil and ran.....green or not, McD comes from good pedigree, seems to be no nonsense hard nosed guy interested in winning football games...if not, why would Beane follow him here?.....if both were borderline, why would so many former VP's and Director of Pro Personnel guys have joined Beane's staff?.....Mahomes is not here, is not coming here and maybe Jeffrey should propagate his luvfest on the KC MB.......just plain obnoxious.... I'm counting on Smith getting injured, Mahomes flopping, we get the top pick, All aboard the KC TANK TRAIN, WHOOO WHOOOOOO !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) Took a look at half a dozen Josh Allen games yesterday. Nowhere near the finished article yet but there's a few building blocks for 2017. The arm is really impressive. He's got an "effort ball" where he can seriously gun it but it has a lower trajectory, more likely to be tipped. Athletically, he's on the Mariota/Wentz scale. Some similar ball security issues to those guys as well. Nice quick release and willingness to fit tight windows over the middle. Plays off-script and can make plays by extending. Really needs to make all of his fakes/handoffs look the same but he's even faked out a couple of cameramen Seems as though there's a disconnect between upper and lower body mechanics with him. Squares up nicely for throws on the move. Feet don't seem to line up properly, especially on throws from in the pocket. Throwing base also gets a little wide when moved off his spot. There's also some major issues with decision making (15 INT's could've easily been 20+) and correctly moving against pressure. Some of that is simply due to inexperience but I want to see him learn the value of throwing it away. Although they've worked so far, he's got to stop the cross-body throws. NFL DB's will eat that **** up. Interested to see how Wyoming develop him. Losing all 3 of his top targets from last season (including the amazing Tanner Gentry). The under center stuff helps but I'd like to see them add a little more speed option because his athletic ability is a positive. Talent to work with but I'm just not ready to annoint him just yet. Edited June 14, 2017 by Blokestradamus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 (edited) . Athletically, he's on the Mariota/Wentz scale. Some similar ball security issues to those guys as well.Wait, not to change the subject, but did you just compare Wentz's athleticism to Marcus Mariota's? The only valid comparison with Mariota in that category is probably Tyrod Taylor. Edited June 14, 2017 by mannc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Wait, not to change the subject, but did you just compare Wentz's athleticism to Marcus Mariota's? The only valid comparison with Mariota in that category is probably Tyrod Taylor. It's a scale so he falls between the two in certain areas. Mariota and Wentz being the different ends of the spectrum. I'm also guessing that height/weight wise, Allen is bang in the middle of the two. Athleticism also goes beyond the stopwatch, it also impacts stylistic approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 It's a scale so he falls between the two in certain areas. Mariota and Wentz being the different ends of the spectrum. I'm also guessing that height/weight wise, Allen is bang in the middle of the two. Athleticism also goes beyond the stopwatch, it also impacts stylistic approach. Thanks. That makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Thanks. That makes sense. No problem. I find that I have to clarify quite a lot of what I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 No problem. I find that I have to clarify quite a lot of what I say. "Nothing's changed. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. This is a clarification. We were always having a cap." Probably a joke only Blokes will get..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 "Nothing's changed. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. This is a clarification. We were always having a cap." Probably a joke only Blokes will get..... Isn't that Theresa May? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Isn't that Theresa May? Prize to Kirby. She was wrong of course.... what has changed is that a bunch of Northern Irish whackos are now running Government. Good times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 I'm surprised that Jeff's Mahomie senses haven't been tingling in the extreme. http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/06/14/2018-nfl-draft-josh-allen-has-more-upside-than-patrick-mahomes/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 I'm surprised that Jeff's Mahomie senses haven't been tingling in the extreme. http://draftbreakdown.com/2017/06/14/2018-nfl-draft-josh-allen-has-more-upside-than-patrick-mahomes/ He's on vacation. But surely this is where he would insist that Mahomes was a generational prospect and Allen sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 He's on vacation. But surely this is where he would insist that Mahomes was a generational prospect and Allen sucks. I've made no secret that I've appreciated DJ's insights since his move to the media. I really hope this isn't him falling into a similar 'hot take' trap that others have. I wouldn't really base arm strength and athletic ability as important traits but it makes for good June copy, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 He's on vacation. But surely this is where he would insist that Mahomes was a generational prospect and Allen sucks. I've made no secret that I've appreciated DJ's insights since his move to the media. I really hope this isn't him falling into a similar 'hot take' trap that others have. I wouldn't really base arm strength and athletic ability as important traits but it makes for good June copy, I guess. Don't forget Andy Reid is a QB god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Don't forget Andy Reid is a QB god. Rico made some 7th round Northwestern scrub look not-entirely-garbage. Maybe he's truly our savant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Took a look at half a dozen Josh Allen games yesterday. Nowhere near the finished article yet but there's a few building blocks for 2017. The arm is really impressive. He's got an "effort ball" where he can seriously gun it but it has a lower trajectory, more likely to be tipped. Athletically, he's on the Mariota/Wentz scale. Some similar ball security issues to those guys as well. Nice quick release and willingness to fit tight windows over the middle. Plays off-script and can make plays by extending. Really needs to make all of his fakes/handoffs look the same but he's even faked out a couple of cameramen Seems as though there's a disconnect between upper and lower body mechanics with him. Squares up nicely for throws on the move. Feet don't seem to line up properly, especially on throws from in the pocket. Throwing base also gets a little wide when moved off his spot. There's also some major issues with decision making (15 INT's could've easily been 20+) and correctly moving against pressure. Some of that is simply due to inexperience but I want to see him learn the value of throwing it away. Although they've worked so far, he's got to stop the cross-body throws. NFL DB's will eat that **** up. Interested to see how Wyoming develop him. Losing all 3 of his top targets from last season (including the amazing Tanner Gentry). The under center stuff helps but I'd like to see them add a little more speed option because his athletic ability is a positive. Talent to work with but I'm just not ready to annoint him just yet. They had a good TE, is he still there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 They had a good TE, is he still there? Jacob Hollister is now a New England Patriot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Jacob Hollister is now a New England Patriot. Screw him and his overpriced jeans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 They'll need a lot more then that to move up enough to land a top QB. How is this seasons feel different then the past 20 years?😂 Outside of 2003, 2004 and 2015 I haven't felt optimistic going into any Bills season over the past 18 years or so. I don't think so. This draft will have 4-5 guys that were as good as the 2017 guys. They'll have to get to about 10 to make sure that they land one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) I don't think so. This draft will have 4-5 guys that were as good as the 2017 guys. I'd still be genuinely shocked if that is true. I can see it having 2 maybe at a push 3 who are better than the 2017 guys. I just can not see this draft having 4 or 5 top end Quarterback prospects. The 2017 class was not 2013. It is not a class where anyone semi competent will be better than them. Edited June 15, 2017 by GunnerBill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 The difference with 2018 and most years is there's probably up to 8 guys now that could be considered 1st rounders. That recruiting class was one of the best QB classes ever. Some will rise, some will fall and some will come out of nowhere. We are starting so far ahead of where we usually are. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see 6 1st round QBs next year. I've seen the following guys pegged as 1st rounders in different places: Allen, Darnold, Rosen, Rudolph, Browning, Falk, Jackson, Stidham, Francois, Fitzgerald, and a few others. We are starting with a far bigger prospect pool. I'd still be genuinely shocked if that is true. I can see it having 2 maybe at a push 3 who are better than the 2017 guys. I just can not see this draft having 4 or 5 top end Quarterback prospects. The 2017 class was not 2013. It is not a class where anyone semi competent will be better than them. That recruiting class was so strong. This group is LOADED. The depth is what separates it. The top guys this year I guess would have been in the mix but the 3 of them would have probably been ranked behind the top 3 here and anywhere from 4-10 or so depending on the scout. They are in that tier with Rudolph, Falk, and Jackson. It really is personal preference at that point. I will bet that Darnold, Allen and Rosen have higher grades than any guy in 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 The difference with 2018 and most years is there's probably up to 8 guys now that could be considered 1st rounders. That recruiting class was one of the best QB classes ever. Some will rise, some will fall and some will come out of nowhere. We are starting so far ahead of where we usually are. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see 6 1st round QBs next year. I've seen the following guys pegged as 1st rounders in different places: Allen, Darnold, Rosen, Rudolph, Browning, Falk, Jackson, Stidham, Francois, Fitzgerald, and a few others. We are starting with a far bigger prospect pool. That recruiting class was so strong. This group is LOADED. The depth is what separates it. The top guys this year I guess would have been in the mix but the 3 of them would have probably been ranked behind the top 3 here and anywhere from 4-10 or so depending on the scout. They are in that tier with Rudolph, Falk, and Jackson. It really is personal preference at that point. I will bet that Darnold, Allen and Rosen have higher grades than any guy in 2017. With respect to the highlighted segment the three qbs you referenced might have higher grades than this year's draft class but that doesn't mean that the Bills will be in a position to select one of them. KC and Houston traded up to get their qb this year while the Bills dealt themselves out of a position to select one of the two remaining qbs (Watson and Mahommes) with first round grades on them. Even the the dithering Whaley was willing to take the plunge. He lacked the authority to act. Only time will tell whether the Bills were right in their strategy to wait another year to scan the hopefully more appealing market. What we do know for sure is that good qb prospects are prized, and becoming more valued as time passes. What the Bills' History should illustrate is that waiting for a better opportunity when a good opportunity is available is like chasing a ghost. When you have a pattern of failure and you decide to continue to do what you have always do then the result is predictable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 I've seen the following guys pegged as 1st rounders in different places: Allen, Darnold, Rosen, Rudolph, Browning, Falk, Jackson, Stidham, Francois, Fitzgerald, and a few others. We are starting with a far bigger prospect pool. That's not even including the GAWD of being cop speared Baker Mayfield. Although I'd probably say that Browning & Fitzgerald can absolutely get all the !@#$ing way out of that discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 The difference with 2018 and most years is there's probably up to 8 guys now that could be considered 1st rounders. That recruiting class was one of the best QB classes ever. Some will rise, some will fall and some will come out of nowhere. We are starting so far ahead of where we usually are. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see 6 1st round QBs next year. I've seen the following guys pegged as 1st rounders in different places: Allen, Darnold, Rosen, Rudolph, Browning, Falk, Jackson, Stidham, Francois, Fitzgerald, and a few others. We are starting with a far bigger prospect pool. That recruiting class was so strong. This group is LOADED. The depth is what separates it. The top guys this year I guess would have been in the mix but the 3 of them would have probably been ranked behind the top 3 here and anywhere from 4-10 or so depending on the scout. They are in that tier with Rudolph, Falk, and Jackson. It really is personal preference at that point. I will bet that Darnold, Allen and Rosen have higher grades than any guy in 2017. This is my biggest issue currently with talking 2018 Draft QBs. I bolded the underclassmen on your list. None of them have to come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 With respect to the highlighted segment the three qbs you referenced might have higher grades than this year's draft class but that doesn't mean that the Bills will be in a position to select one of them. KC and Houston traded up to get their qb this year while the Bills dealt themselves out of a position to select one of the two remaining qbs (Watson and Mahommes) with first round grades on them. Even the the dithering Whaley was willing to take the plunge. He lacked the authority to act. Only time will tell whether the Bills were right in their strategy to wait another year to scan the hopefully more appealing market. What we do know for sure is that good qb prospects are prized, and becoming more valued as time passes. What the Bills' History should illustrate is that waiting for a better opportunity when a good opportunity is available is like chasing a ghost. When you have a pattern of failure and you decide to continue to do what you have always do then the result is predictable. They may have to trade up but should have the ammo to do that. I don't know if they can get high enough to get those guys but should be able to get to 8-10. The guys going there will be on par with the QBs this year. My guess is that the Bills are picking about 10th and the Chiefs 20th. This is obviously subject to change. The Chiefs and Bills both had a point differential in the top 9 (if you throw out the EJ start). That probably doesn't bode well for early picks but things change. I see the Bills in the neighborhood of .500 (shocking) and the Chiefs around 10 wins. This is my biggest issue currently with talking 2018 Draft QBs. I bolded the underclassmen on your list. None of them have to come out.Yep, and that is fair. What usually happens is the ones that will go early come out and the ones that have faded will stay. That certainly is a factor. That's not even including the GAWD of being cop speared Baker Mayfield. Although I'd probably say that Browning & Fitzgerald can absolutely get all the !@#$ing way out of that discussion I knew that I'd forget some guys!! I'm not a Browning fan but for some reason I kind of like Fitzgerald. His team is trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 I knew that I'd forget some guys!! I'm not a Browning fan but for some reason I kind of like Fitzgerald. His team is trash. Fitzgerald is my long-shot Heisman candidate. Just not sure he's pro-QB calibre just yet. I wonder if there's a Dak after-effect where a team takes a shot on him because "What If?" Stidham & Francois are the guys that can really shape the depth of the class. Can't see either declaring unless they have ridiculous years. On a personal note, I would've had all 4 top guys from '17 above Allen and Rudolph (assessing them from 2016). Luke Falk would've pressed Kizer as QB2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Fitzgerald is my long-shot Heisman candidate. Just not sure he's pro-QB calibre just yet. I wonder if there's a Dak after-effect where a team takes a shot on him because "What If?" Stidham & Francois are the guys that can really shape the depth of the class. Can't see either declaring unless they have ridiculous years. On a personal note, I would've had all 4 top guys from '17 above Allen and Rudolph (assessing them from 2016). Luke Falk would've pressed Kizer as QB2. I could definitely see Stidham declaring after a good year. It's been a wild ride for him in college. In terms of Fitzgerald I can't shake that Texas A&M game. He was so dominant. How would you rank the 2018 QBs as of today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 How would you rank the 2018 QBs as of today? Really not got into the class as much as I intended to for one reason or another. The guys I've watched enough of to feel comfortable: 1. Baker Mayfield (subject to physical thresholds being met) 2. Luke Falk 3. Mason Rudolph 4. Josh Allen 5. JT Barrett I'll get through Darnold, Rosen, Francois, Mike White, Austin Allen, Logan Woodside at some point before CFB starts. Maybe a few others if DB puts up some more videos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 5. JT Barrett . Not draftable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 . Not draftable. If CJ Beathard got drafted....... I actually like him as a running back convert at the next level. Without improvement this year, clear UDFA as a passer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 If CJ Beathard got drafted....... I actually like him as a running back convert at the next level. Without improvement this year, clear UDFA as a passer. too slow to play RB imo. He should pursue coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Barrett isn't draftable IMO. I love his leadership but he is not a pro QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Mason Rudolph on Blokes' list? He's my 2018 Paxton Lynch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 too slow to play RB imo. He should pursue coaching. I think if he trained a little more for speed, he'd be okay. Not a speed merchant but sub 4.6. He's got some balance, vision and power to him. Traits that I look for. As a passer, he's not the prospect Kenny Guiton was. Mason Rudolph on Blokes' list? He's my 2018 Paxton Lynch I mean, I've watched him Under my 2017 grading system, probably talking a mid/late 3rd. Similar with Allen. In that Lynch territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) I think if he trained a little more for speed, he'd be okay. Not a speed merchant but sub 4.6. He's got some balance, vision and power to him. Traits that I look for. As a passer, he's not the prospect Kenny Guiton was. I don't know. He's always been slow. His game is more gaining yards out of sheer will. I think it's a stretch to think he will ever play in the NFL at any position. He will be a GA here next year. Should have started the gig this year 🤐 Edited June 15, 2017 by YoloinOhio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Rosen looks like Aaron Rodgers and Darnold looks like Phillip Rivers. interested in watching more of them this year to see how they develop. i hope we have some good scouts in LA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 I don't know. He's always been slow. His game is more gaining yards out of sheer will. I think it's a stretch to think he will ever play in the NFL at any position. He will be a GA here next year. Should have started the gig this year A site that's pretty solid with 40 data has his high 40 time as 4.62. I could live with that. We're talking about a camp invite, didn't put him up there with Saquon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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