John from Riverside Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I find it hard to believe no QB in this draft can throw for 200 yards a game. still focusing on the least important stat I see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 But we can't run without TT... LeSean had back to back seasons of 1,600 & 1,300 yards with Napoleon Dynamite as his qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 LeSean had back to back seasons of 1,600 & 1,300 yards with Napoleon Dynamite as his qb. /Sarcasm From Albert Breer at MMQB: 4. I know one team that has 35 corners with draftable grades. That is an insane number—this particular team has 15-20 draftable CBs in an average year. One secondary coach told me he thinks some fourth- and fifth-rounders will start for NFL teams in the fall. 5. A lot has been made over QB Mitchell Trubisky only starting 13 games at North Carolina. One explanation his coaches have given to NFL teams scouting Trubisky: 2014-15 starter Marquise Williams hails from fertile recruiting ground, so benching him would have consequences. 6. I’d bet Trubisky, Deshaun Watson and Pat Mahomes are the three quarterbacks to go in the first round. What’s weird: There’s more consensus that Watson can play, but seemingly fewer teams that have fallen for him than for the other two. 7. As for when they start coming off the board, it appears the belief out there continues to be that Buffalo at 10 is the team that you have to leapfrog if you want to trade up for a quarterback. http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/04/20/aaron-hernandez-suicide-nfl-impact-notebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) So, kick Cardale to the curb? Is he already a bust? He was a 4th rounder QB - he doesn't have to be a "bust" to not be a franchise QB. If we was expected to be a franchise QB, he wouldn't have been there. That's not to say anyone has to give up on him improving, but you want to be realistic about his chances when making decisions about who else to get. "Oh we don't want Mahomes if he's there in the 2nd - because we have Cardale Jones" would not be a logical statement. Edited April 24, 2017 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Co He was a 4th rounder QB - he doesn't have to be a "bust" to not be a franchise QB. If we was expected to be a franchise QB, he wouldn't have been there. That's not to say anyone has to give up on him improving, but you want to be realistic about his chances when making decisions about who else to get. "Oh we don't want Mahomes if he's there in the 2nd - because we have Cardale Jones" would not be a logical statement. Correct. A decent outcome for a 4th or 5th round QB would be career backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) FWIW I came away from watching Gruden's QB camp shows this weekend wanting Mahomes. Watson had EJ written all over him. Great guy. Not great NFL QB skills. Even Gruden's end quote was telling - "I want him on my team, I want him in my family." He didn't say "I want him starting at QB for me." Yup, EJ. Trubisky looked and sounded as raw as his 13 games would imply. He might be the best available, but who knows. Peterman was sharp as a tack, nice accuracy, noodle arm. The second coming of Chad Pennington. Mahomes impressed the hell out of me. Beast physical talent and fiery attitude. The Favre comparisons seem about right. He'd be amazing behind Tyrod too - Tyrod knows how to not throw silly interceptions - the one thing Mahomes will do. His father was an 10-year MLB pitcher so he grew up seeing what it takes, and also his serious Texas draaaaaawwwwll cracks me up. Edited April 24, 2017 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 There are plenty of pieces for a QB. We spent 2 #1 picks on WR, spent $$ on TE, have a top 3 RB, a top NFL rushing attack. What???? There were multiple games last year in which a street free agent was the Bills WR1. Compare Tyrod's stats in those games to when Woods and Watkins were both healthy. He was a 4th rounder QB - he doesn't have to be a "bust" to not be a franchise QB. If we was expected to be a franchise QB, he wouldn't have been there. That's not to say anyone has to give up on him improving, but you want to be realistic about his chances when making decisions about who else to get. "Oh we don't want Mahomes if he's there in the 2nd - because we have Cardale Jones" would not be a logical statement. Drafting a QB in round 1 this year means Cardale will never get a chance to develop here. I'm ok with taking a QB in the draft, but it should not be in the first couple rounds. I think taking Chad Kelly in round 5 or 6 makes a lot of sense. Low cost, huge upside. Let him compete with Cardale and a vet for the backup job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 What???? There were multiple games last year in which a street free agent was the Bills WR1. Compare Tyrod's stats in those games to when Woods and Watkins were both healthy. Drafting a QB in round 1 this year means Cardale will never get a chance to develop here. I'm ok with taking a QB in the draft, but it should not be in the first couple rounds. I think taking Chad Kelly in round 5 or 6 makes a lot of sense. Low cost, huge upside. Let him compete with Cardale and a vet for the backup job. If we're making decisions on when to draft a QB based on having Cardale then this team is doomed. Cardale shouldn't factor into the equation at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 If we're making decisions on when to draft a QB based on having Cardale then this team is doomed. Cardale shouldn't factor into the equation at all. Someone is all in on TT. It's a passing league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 If we're making decisions on when to draft a QB based on having Cardale then this team is doomed. Cardale shouldn't factor into the equation at all.No, based on having a pretty good starting QB who has the potential to improve, as well as Cardale, who has more upside than any QB who's been on the Bills' roster the past 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 No, based on having a pretty good starting QB who has the potential to improve, as well as Cardale, who has more upside than any QB who's been on the Bills' roster the past 20 years. You can put your eggs in the Cardale basket if you'd like but if McD and Whaley like a QB early then they should take him. Cardale' upside starts and ends with him being big and having a huge arm. Guys like that come and go every year. Throw him on the practice squad if you want but his presence shouldn't deter me from taking someone high. Tyrod is a placeholder at this point. Let the rookie sit and learn for a year. This is a great time for a new WB to come in with no pressure to perform right away. Tyrod is good enough to hold things down for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) SMH He is much better than Fitz. The Bills had the least pass attempts in the NFL because they rely so heavily on the run. Taylor has a very good deep ball. He's a good game manager for this offense. 47 TDs, 15 turnovers and 1000 yards rushing is far from terrible. His presence makes the running game better, and they will need that with no MG. He's so bad yet Watkins had a breakout year in 2015. The problem is that he got quite a bit worse last year when teams had a year of film on him. It's not a coincidence that people who support Tyrod don't want to talk about last year, that they instead want to talk about 2015 or combine the two years and look at them together. Tyrod's a good bridge guy, but we need to bring in QBs until we find a franchise guy. Maybe it'll be Tyrod, though I really doubt it at this point, but we need to bring in guys until we find one. I'm not convinced that we should get one in the 1st, but I'm sure not against it either. Do a good job scouting these guys and make the right decisions on them. But if you think that one of them might need a year or two on the bench but then become good, grab him whenever you need to do it so you're sure you get him. Even if the gurus say you got a bad value because they want to argue that first rounders should start the first year. Forget that nonsense. Get a franchise guy. No, based on having a pretty good starting QB who has the potential to improve, as well as Cardale, who has more upside than any QB who's been on the Bills' roster the past 20 years. The likelihood of a bridge QB suddenly becoming a franchise guy in his seventh year in the league is miniscule. It's happened basically once with Rich Gannon, out of the hundreds of guys who've been in position to make that leap. It's possible, but not only should you not bet the rent, you shouldn't throw a nickel in the wishing well for it. As for Cardale, keep him on the team. There's no rule that you can't keep four QBs. It's easier than ever with the five guys who don't dress each week. Edited April 24, 2017 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 FWIW I came away from watching Gruden's QB camp shows this weekend wanting Mahomes. Watson had EJ written all over him. Great guy. Not great NFL QB skills. Even Gruden's end quote was telling - "I want him on my team, I want him in my family." He didn't say "I want him starting at QB for me." Yup, EJ. Trubisky looked and sounded as raw as his 13 games would imply. He might be the best available, but who knows. Peterman was sharp as a tack, nice accuracy, noodle arm. The second coming of Chad Pennington. Mahomes impressed the hell out of me. Beast physical talent and fiery attitude. The Favre comparisons seem about right. He'd be amazing behind Tyrod too - Tyrod knows how to not throw silly interceptions - the one thing Mahomes will do. His father was an 10-year MLB pitcher so he grew up seeing what it takes, and also his serious Texas draaaaaawwwwll cracks me up. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but Watson is nothing like Manuel. The funny thing is people knock Trubisky for only starting so many games, yet they are over evaluating Watson because the amount of tape on the kid. Watson absolutely can make every throw and has that IT factor. May not always be pretty, but either was Matt ryan coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 It will be interesting to see what Tyrod, Clay & the other players can do now that we have coaches that actually coach. Watson reminds me of Jim Kelly. Go Bills!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 You get Derek Carr and QB's like him in the draft. Bills refuse to spend high draft picks on QB's and instead go dumpster diving for other team's backups. Bills could have drafted Derek Carr in 2014 but instead spent 2 1st round picks on a WR. Everyone could've drafted Carr you fool. Even the Raiders passed on him in the first. "We should of drafted Brady too right?!?". You are so smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Everyone could've drafted Carr you fool. Even the Raiders passed on him in the first. "We should of drafted Brady too right?!?". You are so smart. Point missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Point missed. No I got your point. You want us to draft Mahomes at 10. Last time we spent a 1st rd pick on a QB we reached for EJ. You want us to reach again for Mahomes....you are smarter than us. ...and for the record, Sal M is the Jerry Sullivan here in Rochester. I like him a lot but he is known as Ebineazor cuz he comes off as very negative. He really knows his stuff however, unlike the Buckys and Jerrys at BN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 No I got your point. You want us to draft Mahomes at 10. Last time we spent a 1st rd pick on a QB we reached for EJ. You want us to reach again for Mahomes....you are smarter than us. EJ Manuel is not in the same world as Mahomes as a prospect. The idea that the Bills should stop drafting QB's is a loser mentality that fits a losing franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 EJ Manuel is not in the same world as Mahomes as a prospect. The idea that the Bills should stop drafting QB's is a loser mentality that fits a losing franchise. I think most people are on that boat we need to continue drafting QBs until we hit one but it's where people actually want a QB drafted is where lies the difference. I have one question for you, do you think the defense was good enough last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 EJ Manuel is not in the same world as Mahomes as a prospect. The idea that the Bills should stop drafting QB's is a loser mentality that fits a losing franchise. Because you say so? Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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