jeffismagic Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I think most people are on that boat we need to continue drafting QBs until we hit one but it's where people actually want a QB drafted is where lies the difference. I have one question for you, do you think the defense was good enough last year? No. But Oakland had a worse defense and won 12 games with Derek Carr at QB. It helps to have a guy that can throw when you need to throw in close games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I think most people are on that boat we need to continue drafting QBs until we hit one but it's where people actually want a QB drafted is where lies the difference. I have one question for you, do you think the defense was good enough last year? Do you think going defense at 10 is the difference between having a good defense vs a bad defense? I think the vast majority of us agree if there's one position we need to upgrade to go from where we are now to a perennial playoff team, it's the QB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 EJ Manuel is not in the same world as Mahomes as a prospect. The idea that the Bills should stop drafting QB's is a loser mentality that fits a losing franchise. I really like Mahomes but there are definitely similarities. Mahomes has all the physical tools as did EJ. They both weren't ready to start right away. In a perfect world, Mahomes redshirts and we have him work with quality coaches and not the Syracuse OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I really like Mahomes but there are definitely similarities. Mahomes has all the physical tools as did EJ. They both weren't ready to start right away. In a perfect world, Mahomes redshirts and we have him work with quality coaches and not the Syracuse OC. Mahomes compares to Derek Carr coming out of college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Do you think going defense at 10 is the difference between having a good defense vs a bad defense? I think the vast majority of us agree if there's one position we need to upgrade to go from where we are now to a perennial playoff team, it's the QB position. If we perform on offense the way we did last season, top 10 in scoring and first in rushing (second season in a row) Yes, I believe getting a Rueben Foster at 10 would change the overall defense, I mean they're comparing him to Luke Kuechly. When he went down that defense in Carolina didn't perform close to the level they were when he was in there. I'm not against taking a QB in the draft, just not at 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToughII Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I agree, fix the defense, why pick someone at 10 that'll ride the bench for a year or 2,, at 10 you can get a starter on defense that can contribute right away Because we keep doing this **** over and over. There is no guarantee we will be in the top 3 to grab a top QB next year. Then when we are sitting anywhere from 10th -15th or so (if we have a bad year) fans will B word and whine about the cost to move up and get a QB IF someone is willing to trade. Then it will be "wait until next year" not only because of the costs, but because some experts will sour on the QB's currently highly touted. Cut the BS, if there is a guy who you can think can run your franchise LONG TERM, take him at #10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 If we perform on offense the way we did last season, top 10 in scoring and first in rushing (second season in a row) Yes, I believe getting a Rueben Foster at 10 would change the overall defense, I mean they're comparing him to Luke Kuechly. When he went down that defense in Carolina didn't perform close to the level they were when he was in there. I'm not against taking a QB in the draft, just not at 10. Foster might very well slip into round 2, just like Ragland did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) When is the last time an NFL team drafted a mid round project, sat him and "groomed" him for multiple years and then he turned out to be a viable NFL starter? People act like this happens all the time. And I'm not high on Cardale Jones myself but as others have pointed out, isn't this exactly what we already did last year? If he was a so-called "project" then why would we have already given up on him? At the end of the day, gotta trust your scouting. And Whaley has been a pretty decent drafter. Edited April 24, 2017 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Foster might very well slip into round 2, just like Ragland did. Might, I'm not keen on that term. If Foster is at 10, you take him. He's considered the 2nd best prospect in the entire draft behind Myles. I think the Dolphins were happy with all the teams that allowed Tunsil slip all the way to them seeing as he the number one prospect in the entire draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) And by the way, if we take another mid round QB, suddenly we're the NY Jets. Buncha mediocre QB prospects who will never get enough reps to see their development through anyway cause there's too many of em on the roster. Take one if you love one but if you honestly think there isn't one worthy, do NOT take one for the sake of taking one. It's really not that complicated. Edited April 24, 2017 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Because we keep doing this **** over and over. There is no guarantee we will be in the top 3 to grab a top QB next year. Then when we are sitting anywhere from 10th -15th or so (if we have a bad year) fans will B word and whine about the cost to move up and get a QB IF someone is willing to trade. Then it will be "wait until next year" not only because of the costs, but because some experts will sour on the QB's currently highly touted. Cut the BS, if there is a guy who you can think can run your franchise LONG TERM, take him at #10 every pundit and draft expert agree that none of these QBs are worth a top 10 pick, so why reach when you can get a QB later in the draft? Draft someone that can help right away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 every pundit and draft expert agree that none of these QBs are worth a top 10 pick, so why reach when you can get a QB later in the draft? Draft someone that can help right away No, that is not the case at all. The most important draft people are the actual NFL teams making the picks, not the talking heads who try to decipher their boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 And by the way, if we take another mid round QB, suddenly we're the NY Jets. Buncha mediocre QB prospects who will never get enough reps to see their development through anyway cause there's too many of em on the roster. Take one if you love one but if you honestly think there isn't one worthy, do NOT take one for the sake of taking one. It's really not that complicated.I agree. This is why the "draft a QB every year" refrain is nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 And by the way, if we take another mid round QB, suddenly we're the NY Jets. Buncha mediocre QB prospects who will never get enough reps to see their development through anyway cause there's too many of em on the roster. Take one if you love one but if you honestly think there isn't one worthy, do NOT take one for the sake of taking one. It's really not that complicated. yeah but see we are actually not the jets The jets dont have anyone that can start right NOW.....while the bills have a incombant starter who is on a doable deal for the next 2 years Tyrod Taylor is better then anything the jets have...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 yeah but see we are actually not the jets The jets dont have anyone that can start right NOW.....while the bills have a incombant starter who is on a doable deal for the next 2 years Tyrod Taylor is better then anything the jets have...... You think paying Tyrod Taylor 18 million a year is reasonable? 18 million to lead a bottom 3 passing attack. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 You think paying Tyrod Taylor 18 million a year is reasonable? 18 million to lead a bottom 3 passing attack. No thanks. bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla Top 10 in the league in points DING DING DING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 No, that is not the case at all. The most important draft people are the actual NFL teams making the picks, not the talking heads who try to decipher their boards.Bill Polian and Charley Casserly, ex GMs say the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Bill Polian and Charley Casserly, ex GMs say the same thing They are no longer running NFL teams for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla Top 10 in the league in points DING DING DING But John, passing TDs are worth more than rushing TDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 They are no longer running NFL teams for a reason. you do realize that gms dont hang onto their jobs forever....no matter how much prior success they have had? Their years of success most certainly trumps your "opinion" But John, passing TDs are worth more than rushing TDs. no mannc...you are ill in formed.....passing YARDS trumps all..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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