thebandit27 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 "Arm strength is all you need." - Mahomes supporters everywhere Boy is that an enormous mischaracterization of the pro-Mahomes argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 "Arm strength is all you need." - Mahomes supporters everywhere ....ask Jeff George where arm strength got him.......YAWN......or where the lacking Montana got him (BIGGER Yawn).......just a single component in a QB's repertoire IMO..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 His stock is rising each week. He'll be the first QB taken IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Watch these videos and tell me honestly he is a better choice than Tyrod next year: https://twitter.com/cianaf/status/848358130077630464 https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/848358560836845568 https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/848360047251947521 https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/848363992804413440 https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/848366878162640897 https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/848370391278026753 https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/848371458174853120 Besides arm strength, what are Mahomes's best qualities? I get it, he can make a few wow throws with his pure strength and willingness to chuck it down the field. But he looks like a far worse version of Cutler to me in these videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 I don't think anyone is arguing about next year. The question is whether Tyrod is a long term solution or a bridge qb. If he's a bridge qb, don't you want the developmental qb on the roster "developing" so that the bridge is actually going somewhere? Mahomes has prototypical size, athleticism, and a howitzer. He's creative and makes throws in spite of horrible mechanics. 1) the main point is to get the ball to the receiver. If he does that, I don't really care what his mechanics are. 2) the idea is to draft him to sit and learn for a year or two. It's up to our GM, scouts, and coaches to determine if the young man has the character, intelligence and adaptability to break bad habits and learn. Tarring him with a "far worse version of Cutler" brush is patently unfair. We KNOW Cutler's ceiling, limits, and stubbornness. He's a finished product with flaws that were never fixed. We absolutely do not know this about Mahomes. Further, we do know he played on a team that was defensively terrible, so he knew he had to put up fifty points a game to compete. This might provide some context for "careless gunslinging." Imo, it's a mistake to pass on him if he's available at #10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 I don't think anyone is arguing about next year. The question is whether Tyrod is a long term solution or a bridge qb. If he's a bridge qb, don't you want the developmental qb on the roster "developing" so that the bridge is actually going somewhere? Mahomes has prototypical size, athleticism, and a howitzer. He's creative and makes throws in spite of horrible mechanics. 1) the main point is to get the ball to the receiver. If he does that, I don't really care what his mechanics are. 2) the idea is to draft him to sit and learn for a year or two. It's up to our GM, scouts, and coaches to determine if the young man has the character, intelligence and adaptability to break bad habits and learn. Tarring him with a "far worse version of Cutler" brush is patently unfair. We KNOW Cutler's ceiling, limits, and stubbornness. He's a finished product with flaws that were never fixed. We absolutely do not know this about Mahomes. Further, we do know he played on a team that was defensively terrible, so he knew he had to put up fifty points a game to compete. This might provide some context for "careless gunslinging." Imo, it's a mistake to pass on him if he's available at #10. Playing in an Air Raid had nothing to do with with the defense. Mahomes was in an offense designed to throw the ball that often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) Boy is that an enormous mischaracterization of the pro-Mahomes argument And yet those who dismiss Mahomes continue to trot out this simplistic argument. Jeff George, Cutler, etc. I won't make absolute claims: very few are impressed with arm strength alone. Obviously it is not determinative of future success. Having a strong arm, however, joined with other necessary qualities, is undoubtedly a plus. Playing in an Air Raid had nothing to do with with the defense. Mahomes was in an offense designed to throw the ball that often. Do you treat being a qb for an Air Raid i.e. spread collegiate offense as equivalent to a bad character flaw that takes a player off your draft board -- or significantly lowers his draft value? Many qbs from this system were Johnny Football size fellas. Mahomes is different and I think he can develop, assuming he has good character, intelligence, and work ethic. Edited April 2, 2017 by Dr. Who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 I don't think anyone is arguing about next year. The question is whether Tyrod is a long term solution or a bridge qb. If he's a bridge qb, don't you want the developmental qb on the roster "developing" so that the bridge is actually going somewhere? Mahomes has prototypical size, athleticism, and a howitzer. He's creative and makes throws in spite of horrible mechanics. 1) the main point is to get the ball to the receiver. If he does that, I don't really care what his mechanics are. 2) the idea is to draft him to sit and learn for a year or two. It's up to our GM, scouts, and coaches to determine if the young man has the character, intelligence and adaptability to break bad habits and learn. Tarring him with a "far worse version of Cutler" brush is patently unfair. We KNOW Cutler's ceiling, limits, and stubbornness. He's a finished product with flaws that were never fixed. We absolutely do not know this about Mahomes. Further, we do know he played on a team that was defensively terrible, so he knew he had to put up fifty points a game to compete. This might provide some context for "careless gunslinging." Imo, it's a mistake to pass on him if he's available at #10. Did you watch the videos? His issue is that he ISN'T getting the ball to his receiver. Many of his throws have horrible ball placement. And many of his careless throws come early in close games, they aren't all because they're behind. Of course Mahomes could develop and unlearn all his bad habits, but the same was true of EJ. It's very very unlikely that QBs with that many problems ever fix them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Did you watch the videos? His issue is that he ISN'T getting the ball to his receiver. Many of his throws have horrible ball placement. And many of his careless throws come early in close games, they aren't all because they're behind. Of course Mahomes could develop and unlearn all his bad habits, but the same was true of EJ. It's very very unlikely that QBs with that many problems ever fix them. The CoT strikes again. Everyone but TT who can't throw a slant pattern on time is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Watch these videos and tell me honestly he is a better choice than Tyrod next year: https://twitter.com/cianaf/status/848358130077630464 https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/848358560836845568 https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/848360047251947521 https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/848363992804413440 https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/848366878162640897 https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/848370391278026753 https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/848371458174853120 Besides arm strength, what are Mahomes's best qualities? I get it, he can make a few wow throws with his pure strength and willingness to chuck it down the field. But he looks like a far worse version of Cutler to me in these videos. The people that like Mahomes are just enamoured with his arm strength. He is a third round prospect that will likely get taken in round 2. He has all the talent to be a great NFL QB. Saying that he does not step up in the pocket, relies on the scramble drill, has accuracy issues, and terrible mechanics. Those are probably too many obstacles to over come to become a great QB. The talent is there but he is a 2-3 year developmental guy, if he gets thrown in to early he will bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 The people that like Mahomes are just enamoured with his arm strength. He is a third round prospect that will likely get taken in round 2. He has all the talent to be a great NFL QB. Saying that he does not step up in the pocket, relies on the scramble drill, has accuracy issues, and terrible mechanics. Those are probably too many obstacles to over come to become a great QB. The talent is there but he is a 2-3 year developmental guy, if he gets thrown in to early he will bust. Please actually watch video of every snap Mahomes takes for a game. Fahey is just trying to get clicks to his terrible blog. He reminds me of the fools who compared Dak to Tebow last year as a passer. I like Mahomes because his accuracy is excellent both with a clean pocket and under duress. He also throws receivers open and throws with anticipation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 @presnapreads Patrick Mahomes and the allure of upside http://presnapreads.com/2017/04/02/patrick-mahomes-and-the-allure-of-upside/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 The people that like Mahomes are just enamoured with his arm strength. He is a third round prospect that will likely get taken in round 2. He has all the talent to be a great NFL QB. Saying that he does not step up in the pocket, relies on the scramble drill, has accuracy issues, and terrible mechanics. Those are probably too many obstacles to over come to become a great QB. The talent is there but he is a 2-3 year developmental guy, if he gets thrown in to early he will bust. I have no clue why there's this odd need to perpetuate a myth that every Mahomes supporter is simply focused on his arm strength. It's bizarre to say the least. Not that I expect everyone to have read my QB evaluation thread, but I covered my position on him at length: solid measurables, can extend plays--but also shows the ability to speed up his snap-to-release time when necessary, able to make his pre-snap reads, can drop his deep throws in the bucket, and most importantly he showed progress in terms of keeping his feet calm and climbing the pocket more often in 2016. He's not a perfect prospect; he needs to improve upon his erratic footwork and develop more of a comfort level in the pocket--become more consistent with climbing to safety instead of breaking out the back (sound familiar?). Nearly every Mahomes supporter acknowledges all of this; perhaps it makes more sense to make your analysis about the player and not his supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 @presnapreads Patrick Mahomes and the allure of upside http://presnapreads.com/2017/04/02/patrick-mahomes-and-the-allure-of-upside/ Came here to post this, this is an excellent breakdown of Mahomes's game. It even compares to Tyrod briefly at the end. To sum it up: poor ball placement, poor pocket presence, poor footwork, poor anticipation, poor decision making. But he looks good when he breaks out of the pocket to the right. No thanks at #10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Came here to post this, this is an excellent breakdown of Mahomes's game. It even compares to Tyrod briefly at the end. To sum it up: poor ball placement, poor pocket presence, poor footwork, poor anticipation, poor decision making. But he looks good when he breaks out of the pocket to the right. No thanks at #10. Yes, I am sure that the QB gurus of the NFL such as Sean Payton and Bruce Arians are looking for a QB with "poor ball placement, poor pocket presence, poor footwork, poor anticipation, poor decision making". The only thing poor is Fahey's ability to evaluate a QB. There are people that don't like Mahomes as much as Trubisky or Watson and that is fine. But Fahey's evaluation is so one-sided and negative that it appears he is just looking for suckers to go to his blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Yes, I am sure that the QB gurus of the NFL such as Sean Payton and Bruce Arians are looking for a QB with "poor ball placement, poor pocket presence, poor footwork, poor anticipation, poor decision making". The only thing poor is Fahey's ability to evaluate a QB. There are people that don't like Mahomes as much as Trubisky or Watson and that is fine. But Fahey's evaluation is so one-sided and negative that it appears he is just looking for suckers to go to his blog. There are no "QB gurus" in the NFL. What does that even mean? NFL teams make poor drafting decisions all the time, moreso at QB than any other position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 There are no "QB gurus" in the NFL. What does that even mean? NFL teams make poor drafting decisions all the time, moreso at QB than any other position. Bruce Arians is a known QB guru. Use Google, I can't help you with basics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Came here to post this, this is an excellent breakdown of Mahomes's game. It even compares to Tyrod briefly at the end. To sum it up: poor ball placement, poor pocket presence, poor footwork, poor anticipation, poor decision making. But he looks good when he breaks out of the pocket to the right. No thanks at #10. I like Cian Fahey, but the gate swings both ways with this type of analysis https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fanragsports.com/nfl/patrick-mahomes-best-qb-nfl-draft/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) I like Cian Fahey, but the gate swings both ways with this type of analysis https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fanragsports.com/nfl/patrick-mahomes-best-qb-nfl-draft/amp/ Nice stat. Justin Higdon @afc2nfc 1st down conversion % on 3rd&long passes (7+ yd) this year Mahomes 45.2 Trubisky 40.8 Watson 38.3 Kizer 33.9 Allen 32.7 Falk 30 Kaaya 26.2 I hadn't seen this before Bandit but it's cool to see because I have Mahomes as QB1 and Trubisky as QB2. Edited April 2, 2017 by jeffismagic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 I like Cian Fahey, but the gate swings both ways with this type of analysis https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fanragsports.com/nfl/patrick-mahomes-best-qb-nfl-draft/amp/ His analysis makes no sense even in his own terms. He concludes that Mahomes's floor is Eli Manning and his ceiling is Ben Roethlisberger which is an absurd thing to say in any context. He spends one section trashing Mahomes's decision making, then says his decision making is worthy of a 3rd round prospect. All he does is point out Mahomes's rare wow plays, which yes he does have, while downplaying his flaws. I mean he mentions all of Mahomes's flaws but concludes if you can just fix those flaws he will be fine. Well that's the point of the other article, QBs rarely fix major flaws like that. Like it's pretty well established that Mahomes's footwork is his worst trait, but that article only brings it up once, says he sometimes misses "day one" footwork mechanics. So he ignores all of Mahomes's flaws and buys into the big plays everyone with a Twitter account has seen. Well the entire body of work taken as a whole is scary. Many of his wow plays are because he's playing against lesser talent. This article points out a few plays where his receiver bailed him out or a defender dropped a sure pick six. He won't get away with that in the NFL. He lacks the basic fundamentals and arm strength isn't enough to overcome that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 I like Cian Fahey, but the gate swings both ways with this type of analysis https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fanragsports.com/nfl/patrick-mahomes-best-qb-nfl-draft/amp/ Want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Nice stat. Justin Higdon @afc2nfc 1st down conversion % on 3rd&long passes (7+ yd) this year Mahomes 45.2 Trubisky 40.8 Watson 38.3 Kizer 33.9 Allen 32.7 Falk 30 Kaaya 26.2 I hadn't seen this before Bandit but it's cool to see because I have Mahomes as QB1 and Trubisky as QB2. Stats are basically useless when evaluating the jump from college to the NFL. Does that stat have any kind of past correlation? I can't find the data anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 His analysis makes no sense even in his own terms. He concludes that Mahomes's floor is Eli Manning and his ceiling is Ben Roethlisberger which is an absurd thing to say in any context. He spends one section trashing Mahomes's decision making, then says his decision making is worthy of a 3rd round prospect. All he does is point out Mahomes's rare wow plays, which yes he does have, while downplaying his flaws. I mean he mentions all of Mahomes's flaws but concludes if you can just fix those flaws he will be fine. Well that's the point of the other article, QBs rarely fix major flaws like that. Like it's pretty well established that Mahomes's footwork is his worst trait, but that article only brings it up once, says he sometimes misses "day one" footwork mechanics. So he ignores all of Mahomes's flaws and buys into the big plays everyone with a Twitter account has seen. Well the entire body of work taken as a whole is scary. Many of his wow plays are because he's playing against lesser talent. This article points out a few plays where his receiver bailed him out or a defender dropped a sure pick six. He won't get away with that in the NFL. He lacks the basic fundamentals and arm strength isn't enough to overcome that. You're missing the point. ANY article thay focuses on a handful of plays will invariably fail to assess his entire body of work. As for my opinion, I've watched every throw of his from both 2015 and 2016 (twice), so I feel darn comfortable with what I'm putting out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 I have no clue why there's this odd need to perpetuate a myth that every Mahomes supporter is simply focused on his arm strength. It's bizarre to say the least. Not that I expect everyone to have read my QB evaluation thread, but I covered my position on him at length: solid measurables, can extend plays--but also shows the ability to speed up his snap-to-release time when necessary, able to make his pre-snap reads, can drop his deep throws in the bucket, and most importantly he showed progress in terms of keeping his feet calm and climbing the pocket more often in 2016. He's not a perfect prospect; he needs to improve upon his erratic footwork and develop more of a comfort level in the pocket--become more consistent with climbing to safety instead of breaking out the back (sound familiar?). Nearly every Mahomes supporter acknowledges all of this; perhaps it makes more sense to make your analysis about the player and not his supporters. I just wouldn't feel comfortable with him in the first or second round. I would be very happy with him as a third round prospect. It is hard to find plays that will translate to the NFL on tape. I have watched a lot of his games. That system is very QB friendly but is nothing like an NFL offence. Goff essentially played in the same system last year and his first year was horrific. He makes some absolutely spectacular plays on tape, Manziel like. I always get concerned when I see a QB back pedal in the face of pressure, run into sacks, and feel pressure when it is not there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 I know that it is Only Bucky Brooks' opinion, but this article is pretty in line with how I see Patrick Mahomes (see my earlier post) http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000796741/article/cleveland-browns-dont-need-qb-richard-sherman-trade-talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 You're missing the point. ANY article thay focuses on a handful of plays will invariably fail to assess his entire body of work. As for my opinion, I've watched every throw of his from both 2015 and 2016 (twice), so I feel darn comfortable with what I'm putting out there. Bandit: I really respect your opinion on these players. I am sure that you have watched more than the two games that I watched. I see the play making talent that you see, but I also think that there are some (many?) of those big plays that might be turnovers in the NFL. Can/will he learn to be more disciplined? Can/will he learn to read complex NFL defenses will running a more conventional offense? I don't know the answer. If he does, he could be outstanding, if not he might not last long in the league. If the Bills are in a gambling mood on draft day, I can see the talent that would interest them. I am just not sure it would be a good bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Bandit: I really respect your opinion on these players. I am sure that you have watched more than the two games that I watched. I see the play making talent that you see, but I also think that there are some (many?) of those big plays that might be turnovers in the NFL. Can/will he learn to be more disciplined? Can/will he learn to read complex NFL defenses will running a more conventional offense? I don't know the answer. If he does, he could be outstanding, if not he might not last long in the league. If the Bills are in a gambling mood on draft day, I can see the talent that would interest them. I am just not sure it would be a good bet. I appreciate the sentiment! It seems we're pretty much in agreement on Mahomes. He's not my QB1 because he's a clean prospect who's an odds-on bet to be great; he's my QB1 because of what he could be if he continues to progress. One of the reasons that I'd like Buffalo to take a shot on him is that tyrod is under contract for 2 years, so he has time to work on his mechanical flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 ...so what are the deterrents that have this kid rated in the middle of the pack among draft pundits in their "Top 10 QB Draft Picks" assessments?.......pledging my ignorance because I do not get to see college ball.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) Well Guess what some other teams will feel comfortable like the Cards, Steelers, Giants and Saints. They will be happy to scoup him up in the 1st round and then he will lead there teams to playoff and Super Bowl wins. But we're probably doomed anyways because I got a gut feeling the Jets will grab him. So keep studing those draft boards for the wide outs and defense backs. Maybe you will wake up out of your slumber and get on board the Mahomes train. We will not be a consistent winer and make the playoffs consitantly until we get a QB. We need to start drafting some QB's . Nothing else matters. I repeat NOTHING else matters. You could have 7 Jerry Rices it would not matter, you could have 5 first round draft picks it would not matter. Unless you draft QB's you are not going any where. You and me and everyone else is just wasting there time. Prediction Mr. Mahomes will be the first QB picked in this draft and he will go on to win 2 Super Bowls and make the Hall of Fame. I don't hide I tell it like it is. I just wouldn't feel comfortable with him in the first or second round. I would be very happy with him as a third round prospect. It is hard to find plays that will translate to the NFL on tape. I have watched a lot of his games. That system is very QB friendly but is nothing like an NFL offence. Goff essentially played in the same system last year and his first year was horrific. He makes some absolutely spectacular plays on tape, Manziel like. I always get concerned when I see a QB back pedal in the face of pressure, run into sacks, and feel pressure when it is not there. Edited April 2, 2017 by billsareback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Came here to post this, this is an excellent breakdown of Mahomes's game. It even compares to Tyrod briefly at the end. To sum it up: poor ball placement, poor pocket presence, poor footwork, poor anticipation, poor decision making. But he looks good when he breaks out of the pocket to the right. No thanks at #10. agreed...i would jump all over him in the 2nd though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 agreed...i would jump all over him in the 2nd though Wow, the CoT wants to discount QB's in the draft so they can continue to wait for Tyrod. Touching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Let's look at this a different way..... By all accounts, McDermott is a structured and disciplined coach. Will he be in favor of a QB who may not be in that mode? I think McDermott would be in favor of aggression but controlled aggression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Let's look at this a different way..... By all accounts, McDermott is a structured and disciplined coach. Will he be in favor of a QB who may not be in that mode? I think McDermott would be in favor of aggression but controlled aggression. If the choice is McDermott's my guess is he will punt. So no QB for Buffalo this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) If the choice is McDermott's my guess is he will punt. So no QB for Buffalo this year. gonna hold on tight to that narrative as long as you possibly can, eh Edited April 2, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 I just wouldn't feel comfortable with him in the first or second round. I would be very happy with him as a third round prospect. It is hard to find plays that will translate to the NFL on tape. I have watched a lot of his games. That system is very QB friendly but is nothing like an NFL offence. Goff essentially played in the same system last year and his first year was horrific. He makes some absolutely spectacular plays on tape, Manziel like. I always get concerned when I see a QB back pedal in the face of pressure, run into sacks, and feel pressure when it is not there. Somehow I missed this post--sorry about that I really don't have an issue with any of what you said. It's merely a case where I like the upside of his skill set enough to gamble on him. Let's face it--each of the top QBs in this class is a gamble, so if I miss, I want it to be on the guy with the greatest upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Well Guess what some other teams will feel comfortable like the Cards, Steelers, Giants and Saints. They will be happy to scoup him up in the 1st round and then he will lead there teams to playoff and Super Bowl wins. But we're probably doomed anyways because I got a gut feeling the Jets will grab him. So keep studing those draft boards for the wide outs and defense backs. Maybe you will wake up out of your slumber and get on board the Mahomes train. We will not be a consistent winer and make the playoffs consitantly until we get a QB. We need to start drafting some QB's . Nothing else matters. I repeat NOTHING else matters. You could have 7 Jerry Rices it would not matter, you could have 5 first round draft picks it would not matter. Unless you draft QB's you are not going any where. You and me and everyone else is just wasting there time. Prediction Mr. Mahomes will be the first QB picked in this draft and he will go on to win 2 Super Bowls and make the Hall of Fame. I don't hide I tell it like it is. the Bills are in the same position as the teams you mentioned. They have a starter and can draft another to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Chargers say they need a young quarterback Posted by Michael David Smith on April 3, 2017, 5:26 AM EDT “I think we do have to get a young quarterback on campus. We have to start developing someone because we have two veteran quarterbacks,” Lynn said. “Both of them are long in the tooth. I think they have some good years left in them — don’t get me wrong. But, you have to start thinking about down the line too.” The Chargers have worked out Texas Tech’s Patrick Mahomes, Tennessee’s Joshua Dobbs and Notre Dame’s DeShone Kizer and may draft one of them as the heir apparent to Rivers. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/03/chargers-say-they-need-a-young-quarterback/ Wow. A newly hired coach that understands you have to have a QB and you can't just think about the next year...That name Lynn sounds familiar, didn't he want the Buffalo job and got passed over here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Chargers say they need a young quarterback Posted by Michael David Smith on April 3, 2017, 5:26 AM EDT “I think we do have to get a young quarterback on campus. We have to start developing someone because we have two veteran quarterbacks,” Lynn said. “Both of them are long in the tooth. I think they have some good years left in them — don’t get me wrong. But, you have to start thinking about down the line too.” The Chargers have worked out Texas Tech’s Patrick Mahomes, Tennessee’s Joshua Dobbs and Notre Dame’s DeShone Kizer and may draft one of them as the heir apparent to Rivers. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/03/chargers-say-they-need-a-young-quarterback/ Wow. A newly hired coach that understands you have to have a QB and you can't just think about the next year...That name Lynn sounds familiar, didn't he want the Buffalo job and got passed over here? You do realize that their youngest QB has more experience than all of our QBs combined, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 You do realize that their youngest QB has more experience than all of our QBs combined, right? Some said Anthony Lynn was just a running backs, pound the ball coach. He probably got passed over here because he was on Rex's staff. But if the Chargers who already have Rivers invest in a 1st round QB while our new "aggressive" coach is focused on defensive scheme fits for his zone defense, it will again show the Pegulas to be clueless in hiring. Pegula's are 0-6 in hires so far with McDermott too soon to call. But the Tyrod Taylor extension is a huge red flag and passing on a top QB prospect will be another for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Some said Anthony Lynn was just a running backs, pound the ball coach. He probably got passed over here because he was on Rex's staff. But if the Chargers who already have Rivers invest in a 1st round QB while our new "aggressive" coach is focused on defensive scheme fits for his zone defense, it will again show the Pegulas to be clueless in hiring. Pegula's are 0-6 in hires so far with McDermott too soon to call. But the Tyrod Taylor extension is a huge red flag and passing on a top QB prospect will be another for me. Going into the season with only Cardale on the roster would have been one for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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