CountryCletus Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Well, in Buffalo Jim Kelly was already here. His claim to fame with QB's was using the #1 overall pick on Peyton Manning. So he has no record of finding QB gems later than the first overall pick. He also thinks Chad Kelly is the most talented QB in this draft who is a lot close to Manziel for the wrong reasons than Mahomes. It's terrible to compare any QB prospect to Manziel unless that prospect has personal problems. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard... one does not need off field issues to compare comparably to Manziel athletically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard... one does not need off field issues to compare comparably to Manziel athletically They are not comparable. Sorry, Mahome ='s Manziel is easily one of the most ridiculous things I have heard and if that's what Polian is peddling these days he needs some rest. Manziel is not even the same size as Mahome. Manziel was 6 feet tall, shorter than Tyrod and had small stick legs. Mahomes is 6'3'' 230 lbs. As for arm, not even close. Manziel had a pop gun, Mahomes has a rocket compared to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 He really does not have good mechanics. His footwork is among the worst I have ever evaluated. I am happy to go against the TSW grain on Mahomes. The guy is a project Quarterback at the pro level. I wouldn't hate the Bills taking a shot (I never hate them taking a shot at a Quarterback) but if I was sitting in the draft room there is no way I would spend the 10th pick in the draft on him. He may be that rare breed whose footwork is awful and thrives despite it. But let me just say this - there are no Big 12 defenses in the NFL. I just watched his highlight package. I see a guy who thrived in a gimmicky offense and in a league that plays no pass defense. I would take him in the second, not the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 just watched his highlight video. He can throw the slant, i'm in. also, his footwork and mechanics are horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 just watched his highlight video. He can throw the slant, i'm in. also, his footwork and mechanics are horrible. Would you rather have Jared Goff or Patrick Mahomes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 MMQB: The Drafts Rorschach Test: What Will Each Team See in Patrick Mahomes? An athletic, cannon-armed playmaker, son of a professional athlete and leader of men? Or a sloppy, reckless developmental prospect from a gimmicky offense? In a QB class full of question marks, Mahomes has emerged as the most fascinating passer in the draft. And every evaluator will see something different by Emily Kaplan http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/03/01/nfl-draft-patrick-mahomes-ii-texas-tech-quarterback-first-round-prospect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Mahomes is the QB I want in this draft. But I don't trust Whaley to figure out how and when to draft him. He'll screw this up - we'll end up with a cornerback and a safety as our top two picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 @TheDraftWire Patrick Mahomes: 'I know these NFL concepts, I'm not a project' https://t.co/foLOLnbmM9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 @TheDraftWire Patrick Mahomes: 'I know these NFL concepts, I'm not a project' https://t.co/foLOLnbmM9 Isn't that roughly what Bryce Petty said too? Or am I mis-remembering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Mahomes is the QB I want in this draft. But I don't trust Whaley to figure out how and when to draft him. He'll screw this up - we'll end up with a cornerback and a safety as our top two picks. IMO the only way you consider drafting Mahomes (if you want to draft him) is if you trade back a couple of times into the mid-20s and adding an additional 2nd and 3rd round picks (bringing the total to five in first three rounds). I say this because over-drafting a project QB as a top 10 pick seemingly never works out for the player or team. The weight of the expectations are often way too much. After the #10 pick, I see the Cardinals as the only team that is truly QB needy till you get to the Texans at #25. Be daring and bold, and if Mahomes gets picked before your pick (after trading back), your consolation prize is that you have 5 picks coming in the first three rounds, in a deep draft class. You've already got a developing QB prospect in Jones, and you still have the great QB class next year coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 IMO the only way you consider drafting Mahomes (if you want to draft him) is if you trade back a couple of times into the mid-20s and adding an additional 2nd and 3rd round picks (bringing the total to five in first three rounds). I say this because over-drafting a project QB as a top 10 pick seemingly never works out for the player or team. The weight of the expectations are often way too much. After the #10 pick, I see the Cardinals as the only team that is truly QB needy till you get to the Texans at #25. Be daring and bold, and if Mahomes gets picked before your pick (after trading back), your consolation prize is that you have 5 picks coming in the first three rounds, in a deep draft class. You've already got a developing QB prospect in Jones, and you still have the great QB class next year coming up. That is probably right. But I think the Cardinals will surprise and take a QB - and they'll stay put if they have to. Their roster is stacked, they can afford to take a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 That is probably right. But I think the Cardinals will surprise and take a QB - and they'll stay put if they have to. Their roster is stacked, they can afford to take a chance. I'm not against trading down for a qb such as Mahomes or Watkins. But the risk is that a surprise team such as the Steelers who have a veteran qb who is at the end of their career might job the line to get their qb of the future. My preferred approach is if you have a conviction on a qb then act on it without risking losing the player. Over-drafting for a positional player doesn't make sense but over-drafting a round for a qb is a reasonable approach to take. Too many people act as if a first round pick is used on a qb is too much of a risk to take. I disagree. It is one pick. Your draft won't being sabotaged because of it. Last year the Bills used their first two picks on players, one of which didn't play until the second half of the season and then intermittently, and the other was out for the whole year. My point being very often you don't get immediate returns on high picks. If the Bills were drafting at the very top of the draft, top 4, I could understand the hesitation at selecting a qb in the first round. That's not the case this year when we are drafting at the 10 spot. For me now is the time to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I'm not against trading down for a qb such as Mahomes or Watkins. But the risk is that a surprise team such as the Steelers who have a veteran qb who is at the end of their career might job the line to get their qb of the future. My preferred approach is if you have a conviction on a qb then act on it without risking losing the player. Over-drafting for a positional player doesn't make sense but over-drafting a round for a qb is a reasonable approach to take. Too many people act as if a first round pick is used on a qb is too much of a risk to take. I disagree. It is one pick. Your draft won't being sabotaged because of it. Last year the Bills used their first two picks on players, one of which didn't play until the second half of the season and then intermittently, and the other was out for the whole year. My point being very often you don't get immediate returns on high picks. If the Bills were drafting at the very top of the draft, top 4, I could understand the hesitation at selecting a qb in the first round. That's not the case this year when we are drafting at the 10 spot. For me now is the time to do it. I'm fine with that too. Buddy Nix (and Whaley in his first couple of years) got too cute at times waiting for a QB they liked to fall to them into the right "value." Just pick a g-damn QB and don't look back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) and you still have the great QB class next year coming up. Don't count on it. Maybe it will be, but it's too early for anyone, scouts included, to know all of the QB's they think will be good, will play as well as they have or not be injured. If they see a QB they like in April the Bills should take him. Edited March 1, 2017 by purple haze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I'm fine with that too. Buddy Nix (and Whaley in his first couple of years) got too cute at times waiting for a QB they liked to fall to them into the right "value." Just pick a g-damn QB and don't look back. Just think if Buddy and Whaley would have pulled the trigger on Carr, Wilson or Cousins etc the way we look at this woebegone franchise would be so much different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb62 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 If we keep TT for two more years, we should trade back pick up another pick. Draft a CB in round 1 to replace Gilmore, resign Woods and if Mahomes is available in round 2 take him. After that let it play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Not a fan. His receivers made him look better than he is I didn't watch a lot of him in college, but looking at some stuff on YouTube I see what you're talking about. Even in his highlight reel he's constantly underthrowing his receivers and they're adjusting. Just think if Buddy and Whaley would have pulled the trigger on Carr, Wilson or Cousins etc the way we look at this woebegone franchise would be so much different. Probably not. They would have had their careers murdered by our undertalented offensive lines, pitiful WRs, and pathetic coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 If the Bills take Mahomes I will be happy with the draft. Get him in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I would trade UP for Mahomes. You people that think Mahomes is a late first, early second rounder are too trusting of the McShay's of the world. Mahomes is a def top 15 pick, and probably will go in the first 10 picks. This is a more athletic Brett Favre. He'll throw a lot more than 6 interceptions...even as a vet...but he'll also throw 35 Tds, and 5000 yards to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I would trade UP for Mahomes. You people that think Mahomes is a late first, early second rounder are too trusting of the McShay's of the world. Mahomes is a def top 15 pick, and probably will go in the first 10 picks. This is a more athletic Brett Favre. He'll throw a lot more than 6 interceptions...even as a vet...but he'll also throw 35 Tds, and 5000 yards to boot. He's got the best arm talent in this draft. Has to sit for a year and get used to takin snaps under center unless your cool with going 3-13 though. I can guarantee you if the Bills dont trade back into the 1st to take Mahomes the Texans will draft him at #24 and start him over Osweiller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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